You can tell the lawyers you don’t want to be selected. They typically don’t want people on the jury that aren’t taking the responsibility seriously
Civic duty
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robocall@lemmy.world 42 minutes ago
qarbone@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
This is only punishing the other jurors stuck there too. Unless they are putting out enough ppm to be noticeable even 15 feet away in an open air room.
Turret3857@infosec.pub 1 day ago
I am going to make everyone suffer because I have to participate in society 😇
stoicmaverick@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ve never understand why people always complain about jury duty in particular. I’ve never been called, but I think it sounds like an interesting experience.
snoons@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Mostly it’s money related. Some people literally cannot afford to attend jury duty because of how little compensation there is for their time; like in my area, if it takes two weeks you get compensated $4.75 an hour compared to a full time job which is $13.50 below minimum wage ($18.25).
I also think it would be cool and would like to attend, but then I wouldn’t be able to pay rent if it goes on too long.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 day ago
if you are willing to sit a juror pool for like several days straight, where they spends hours questioning each juror of why they can and cannot serve. its really annoying and time consuming, and people have jobs. most of the people in my area can afford to take time off, majority of the juror pool i was in was tech/programmer. its very anxiety inducing if you dont want to be there.
xylol@leminal.space 1 day ago
Yeah you get to sit in a lobby for 3 hours, then the judge calls you in to tell you to be back in an hour after lunch. The you come back and sit a few more hours until they call you back in to tell you what time to be back the next day
errer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I served in a jury once on a criminal case, we found the defendant not guilty and got to see him be freed. That felt pretty nice to be a part of that.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 day ago
i sat in one last sept, it was very boring and very annoying if you a job. basically the 1st 2 days is roll call like 200+people, and they may or may not take "excuses’ to be excluded from jd. if you are selected you have to sit in a courtroom usually 8am sharp and then sit there for 7+hrs listening to peoples “biases” of why they can or cannot be in the jury(with breaks). they will sus you out if you try the JD nullfication tactic, and they might end up choosing you.
architect@thelemmy.club 20 hours ago
It’s because they don’t value your time.
cobysev@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I was exempt from jury duty while serving in the US military, but at one particular base I was stationed at, they put me on a list of potential jury members for any military trials held in the area.
My boss got selected to sit in on a trial, but I never got called. He was super excited about it. He said it was a fascinating case and he couldn’t wait to spill the details once the trial concluded.
To this day, I’ve never been called on. I kinda hope it happens one day. I’m retired now and have nothing better to do.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I wouldn’t mind doing it. I was actually summoned twice in a two year period, but my stupid ADHD ass neglected to show up because I was really bad at time management back then. They have not summoned me since :(.
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 1 day ago
Also jury nullification exists, which can be fun.
FluidBeef@quokk.au 3 hours ago
A Dozen Eggy Men
sirico@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
12 angry farts
Formfiller@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
And an ipa
Agent641@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
And some asparagus for that reeky pee
Murse@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
I’ve only served on jury duty once, and it was kinda fucked up. Child abuse case, and we were all kinda on the fence leaning toward defendant was guilty, but the evidence presented was just absolute dogshit. Lots of reasonable doubts.
Found the dude not guilty on the premise that we’d rather let a guilty piece of shit off the hook than risk convicting someone who’s innocent, but it felt real fuckin icky to give that verdict over what was most likely just a lazy investigation by the cops.
Hope the kid turned out okay… must have absolutely zero faith in the legal system because of that.
Serinus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You did the right thing. It’s also important that cops and prosecutors do their job and stop relying on horrible accusations to be enough to convict anyone they want.
We’re close enough to the French en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror as it is. I still think Al Franken really didn’t do anything seriously wrong.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
You wouldn’t believe the amount of cases we shelve because cops are incompetent. Or maybe you would if you know anything about cops.
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
A lot of true crime stories start with “the cops did nothing for the first 2 weeks” or “a lot of evidence went missing and the lead detective got busy” or "they said it was just a runaway case until a body showed up. Cops are dumb as dog shit and care only about protecting and serving themselves. Sure there are some good cops but not enough.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
and LAZY, they wont bother with small petty crimes.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Though it’s important to remember that modern juries expect CSI-level investigations from the cops, where you can simply “enhance” a photo until the suspect is easily identifiable and all criminals coat the crime scene in semen prior to fleeing, so if there’s no clear footage or DNA evidence, a lot of people think that must mean the cops are incompetent.
ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 22 hours ago
As one of those kids, he’ll probably turn out okay. As a juror, it’s better to let a piece of shit go free than make an innocent person rot in jail.
When the kid grows up I would almost guarantee that he would make the same decision.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
it’s better to let a piece of shit go free than make an innocent person rot in jail.
In both cases the piece of shit goes free. Which is somehow really hard for people to understand.
autriyo@feddit.org 1 day ago
I don’t remember the name, but some lawyer on YouTube explained that exactly the problem you all had, is why he doesn’t struggle defending someone who is “obviously” guilty.
You can’t really know that right of the bat. You need at least some good evidence. Basically he is making sure that all the other people do their job correctly.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 20 hours ago
Sorry you had to deal with that. It sounds like you did the job properly, as shitty as that is.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
Your fellow jurors are suffering enough, why do you have to make it worse?
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 19 hours ago
I don’t understand you humans.
Why does “everyone else has to suffer” if you are stuck with jury duty?
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
What are you?
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 1 hour ago
No idea, but pretty certain that i’m not the same species that i read about every day in the news.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
A meat Popsicle?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Fartmaxxing.
Depress_Mode@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Pretty easy to get out of, right? I’m sure no prosecutor would keep you if you stated plainly that you detest cops and would never trust a word that comes out of their snouts.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
i was in last fall, and people had to come up with long drawn out explanation, convoluted biases. you cant just say it outright now.
OwOarchist@pawb.social 1 day ago
Nah, you keep all that secret, manage to get on the jury anyway, then vote not guilty no matter what.
Unless it’s a civil case. Then you just automatically rule in favor of whichever party has less money.
Depress_Mode@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Of course, always go for jury nullification if you can, but this is for when you aren’t able to put in the time for whatever reason
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
I’m of the mind that if you’re being criminally tried, your likely guilty. Not always, obviously, but that’s enough to say to get me off any jury.
teslekova@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
Jesus. No, man. That is not the right way to think. The consequences of finding an innocent person guilty are not just bad for that person, they are bad for the entire justice system, and the society that it serves.
I get that you are partly saying that to get off jury duty, but I just don’t want to let that slide. The courts are a vital barrier against corrupt cops, sure, but even upstanding honest cops could easily see someone as guilty because of their own unconscious biases or just the bad luck of circumstance making someone look guilty. It happens all the time.
My friend’s dad, now a retired judge, was the second lawyer who defended Lindy Chamberlain, and actually got her released from the bullshit charge of murder.
She was the famous case in Australia where her baby got eaten by a dingo. The cops thought she’d killed her baby, because she was “cold and unemotional” while being questioned. So they just did not look at the evidence properly, her first defence team sucked, and she got found guilty, even though there was tons of evidence that a dingo had indeed just come and grabbed her baby from her tent and dragged it off.
If the cops look at you and get a feeling you are guilty, they will act on that feeling. You need a court, with a process, to try and detach all that human gut instinct away from the actual facts, to find the truth of the matter.
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 1 day ago
Its true, the cops never do anything wrong, always just assume they did everything by the book.
ieGod@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
I really enjoyed my stint as a juror. Never tried to weasel out of it either.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 hours ago
if you have alot of time on your hands. but in most cases people cant afford to take work off just do it, they lose out on alot of money. and most states pay very little, like a few bucks to 15/day if you are selected. federal might pay more.
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
It’s an important civic duty. For every opportunity to find Luigi did nothing wrong, there is a terrible case.
I had a friend who had a 8 month jury stint over a infamous and grusome child murder. They had to review detailed forensic evidence. He had to go to therapy for panic attacks for years.
Dookieman12@piefed.social 1 day ago
Needs some raw broccoli too
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ooh, dice it real small and put it in a airtight bag/container, bonus points for vacuum sealed. This works for pretty much every Brassica oleracea cultivar.
Etterra@discuss.online 1 day ago
This is genius, though personally I’d the eggs into egg salad and add plentiful fried onions.
vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
here we didn’t get to bring our own meals. We weren’t even allowed to go home or keep our phones at all
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 hours ago
thats only if you get selected to be one of the 12 jurors, or alternates. we just sat in the seats waiting to be potentially called in the room.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I served once, and it was an interesting experience, I learned to trust the court system more than I did before, at least for the civil trial I sat.
Years later I was on call for selection. During the selection process I agreed, when the lawyer asked, that false imprisonment needed to mean they couldn’t leave, i.e. they were locked up. That was enough to eliminate me. I didn’t want to be on a criminal trial that sounded like it was going to last weeks.
In short, it’s easy enough to get out of serving, there’s no reason to be a jerk.
West_of_West@piefed.social 1 day ago
I’ve always wanted to do jury duty. Never been called.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 day ago
seems more likely depending how they get juror rolls. they usually target voter rolls, than DMV RECORDs, and then go down the list from them. also many people noticed if you voted frequently or recently you almost guaranteed to get one within 6month to a year. thats why people in other forums mentioned they stopped voting because of this too much of a hassle and it hurts thier income.
Nollij@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Obviously it depends on your location, but you can probably just sign up. Around here, you contact the county court system (which is how our juries are administered), give them your contact info, and wait for a case. You’re limited to volunteering once per year, because some retirees would keep doing it just to stay busy.
snoons@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
1 Angry Man
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I thought being on a jury might be quite interesting, until I found out you don’t get paid for it. Fuck that, I’m not working for free.
Gork@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Last time I went they paid like $25 for the entire day.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
That would barely cover your costs to be there.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Employers should have to give you paid time off for it
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
usually its not their responsibility to do so, its the city should be responsible. because the job loses out on people not being there for several days at a time.
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Some do
cattywampas@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That’s why they call it a civic duty, not a job.
69420@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You get paid where I live, but it’s some useless amount like $12/day.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
that is effectively not getting paid imo
I got bills to pay. I’m not living a lavish life. either it matches my income, or I find a way out of it
Notyou@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I got summoned recently and was excited. Ever8I worked with seemed odd that I was excited. The guy took a deal so they dismissed us around 11-12.
The court wrote a small check but I got a full pay day from my job. Union benefits for the win.
ieGod@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
This not universally true. Can vary by country, province, and court system level.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 day ago
Where are you not being paid? It’s always paid here. It’s just a lot less than minimum wage (like $75 for the whole shebang no matter how long it lasts).
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The rate was so low in Harris County, TX several years ago that the day rate wouldn’t even pay for parking and the cheapest lunch at the courthouse cafeteria.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Depending on how long the trial lasts, that wouldn’t even cover travel expenses.
That’s effectively working for free.
dingus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I mean…think about that for a minute. If you’re being paid less than minimum wage then how are you supposed to afford to live? Some people live paycheck to paycheck.
bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 1 day ago
But the hours are good.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
That’s a lot of food. You could feed a family of 4 on that.
tamal3@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They’re going to eat from the same container for the whole week. It’ll get better every day.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 day ago
Like bigos.
Doom@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ya’ll if you don’t want to serve just tell the court you know what jury nullification is and ask to be dismissed. No need for biological warfare.
KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org 1 day ago
Some sauerkraut also. Gives it a tang.
snoons@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Cheese would go well with it too. Wash it down with some organic olive oil and for for dessert sugar free gummy bears from a disreputable temu seller.
KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org 1 day ago
With a side of shredded lettuce just to make things interesting.
:D
Gates9@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
PacMan@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
Hope they brought some fish to microwave during lunch. 1430 they are putting their popcorn in for 2 extra minutes
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 hours ago
bring some durian candy.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
My relative said he would never get culled as a juror, because he was an activist lawyer. Actually he was a lawyer for a local city government and he helped shape all the changes for a region and after he retired from the city, he represented local cops who had fucked up real bad
So get a law degree if you want to get out if jury duty
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 day ago
lawyers, LEO, or family of either one will usually get you excused asap. the 2nd less common is being a MD, PHD, or another scientist or specialist.
MrSelfDestruct@piefed.zip 1 day ago
Real human bean
imadethis@fedinsfw.app 1 day ago
I’m pretty sure you can just open one can of surstromming and save yourself all the effort of the eggs.
Etterra@discuss.online 1 day ago
What does that mean in American?
TIEPilot@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Take it easy Satan… talk about evil.
turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 1 day ago
It’s weird how sometimes y’all will engage with an AI image like it’s real without further discussion
Robin@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Looks pretty real to me. The text on the bag is readable and a real brand.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
What, no black coffee?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 minutes ago
YOU CAN’T HANDLE A SCOOP!