Civic duty

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• Turret3857@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I am going to make everyone suffer because I have to participate in society 😇

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  • stoicmaverick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve never understand why people always complain about jury duty in particular. I’ve never been called, but I think it sounds like an interesting experience.

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    • snoons@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Mostly it’s money related. Some people literally cannot afford to attend jury duty because of how little compensation there is for their time; like in my area, if it takes two weeks you get compensated $4.75 an hour compared to a full time job which is $13.50 below minimum wage ($18.25).

      I also think it would be cool and would like to attend, but then I wouldn’t be able to pay rent if it goes on too long.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      if you are willing to sit a juror pool for like several days straight, where they spends hours questioning each juror of why they can and cannot serve. its really annoying and time consuming, and people have jobs. most of the people in my area can afford to take time off, majority of the juror pool i was in was tech/programmer. its very anxiety inducing if you dont want to be there.

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    • xylol@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah you get to sit in a lobby for 3 hours, then the judge calls you in to tell you to be back in an hour after lunch. The you come back and sit a few more hours until they call you back in to tell you what time to be back the next day

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    • errer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I served in a jury once on a criminal case, we found the defendant not guilty and got to see him be freed. That felt pretty nice to be a part of that.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i sat in one last sept, it was very boring and very annoying if you a job. basically the 1st 2 days is roll call like 200+people, and they may or may not take "excuses’ to be excluded from jd. if you are selected you have to sit in a courtroom usually 8am sharp and then sit there for 7+hrs listening to peoples “biases” of why they can or cannot be in the jury(with breaks). they will sus you out if you try the JD nullfication tactic, and they might end up choosing you.

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    • cobysev@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I was exempt from jury duty while serving in the US military, but at one particular base I was stationed at, they put me on a list of potential jury members for any military trials held in the area.

      My boss got selected to sit in on a trial, but I never got called. He was super excited about it. He said it was a fascinating case and he couldn’t wait to spill the details once the trial concluded.

      To this day, I’ve never been called on. I kinda hope it happens one day. I’m retired now and have nothing better to do.

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    • architect@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s because they don’t value your time.

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    • NikkiDimes@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t mind doing it. I was actually summoned twice in a two year period, but my stupid ADHD ass neglected to show up because I was really bad at time management back then. They have not summoned me since :(.

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    • fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Also jury nullification exists, which can be fun.

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• Murse@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve only served on jury duty once, and it was kinda fucked up. Child abuse case, and we were all kinda on the fence leaning toward defendant was guilty, but the evidence presented was just absolute dogshit. Lots of reasonable doubts.

  Found the dude not guilty on the premise that we’d rather let a guilty piece of shit off the hook than risk convicting someone who’s innocent, but it felt real fuckin icky to give that verdict over what was most likely just a lazy investigation by the cops.

  Hope the kid turned out okay… must have absolutely zero faith in the legal system because of that.

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  • Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You did the right thing. It’s also important that cops and prosecutors do their job and stop relying on horrible accusations to be enough to convict anyone they want.

    We’re close enough to the French en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror as it is. I still think Al Franken really didn’t do anything seriously wrong.

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  • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You wouldn’t believe the amount of cases we shelve because cops are incompetent. Or maybe you would if you know anything about cops.

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    • OldChicoAle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A lot of true crime stories start with “the cops did nothing for the first 2 weeks” or “a lot of evidence went missing and the lead detective got busy” or "they said it was just a runaway case until a body showed up. Cops are dumb as dog shit and care only about protecting and serving themselves. Sure there are some good cops but not enough.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      and LAZY, they wont bother with small petty crimes.

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    • HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Though it’s important to remember that modern juries expect CSI-level investigations from the cops, where you can simply “enhance” a photo until the suspect is easily identifiable and all criminals coat the crime scene in semen prior to fleeing, so if there’s no clear footage or DNA evidence, a lot of people think that must mean the cops are incompetent.

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  • autriyo@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t remember the name, but some lawyer on YouTube explained that exactly the problem you all had, is why he doesn’t struggle defending someone who is “obviously” guilty.

    You can’t really know that right of the bat. You need at least some good evidence. Basically he is making sure that all the other people do their job correctly.

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  • ITGuyLevi@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    As one of those kids, he’ll probably turn out okay. As a juror, it’s better to let a piece of shit go free than make an innocent person rot in jail.

    When the kid grows up I would almost guarantee that he would make the same decision.

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      it’s better to let a piece of shit go free than make an innocent person rot in jail.

      In both cases the piece of shit goes free. Which is somehow really hard for people to understand.

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  • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sorry you had to deal with that. It sounds like you did the job properly, as shitty as that is.

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• Depress_Mode@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Pretty easy to get out of, right? I’m sure no prosecutor would keep you if you stated plainly that you detest cops and would never trust a word that comes out of their snouts.

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  • OwOarchist@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nah, you keep all that secret, manage to get on the jury anyway, then vote not guilty no matter what.

    Unless it’s a civil case. Then you just automatically rule in favor of whichever party has less money.

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    • Depress_Mode@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Of course, always go for jury nullification if you can, but this is for when you aren’t able to put in the time for whatever reason

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i was in last fall, and people had to come up with long drawn out explanation, convoluted biases. you cant just say it outright now.

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  • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m of the mind that if you’re being criminally tried, your likely guilty. Not always, obviously, but that’s enough to say to get me off any jury.

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    • NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Its true, the cops never do anything wrong, always just assume they did everything by the book.

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    • teslekova@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Jesus. No, man. That is not the right way to think. The consequences of finding an innocent person guilty are not just bad for that person, they are bad for the entire justice system, and the society that it serves.

      I get that you are partly saying that to get off jury duty, but I just don’t want to let that slide. The courts are a vital barrier against corrupt cops, sure, but even upstanding honest cops could easily see someone as guilty because of their own unconscious biases or just the bad luck of circumstance making someone look guilty. It happens all the time.

      My friend’s dad, now a retired judge, was the second lawyer who defended Lindy Chamberlain, and actually got her released from the bullshit charge of murder.

      She was the famous case in Australia where her baby got eaten by a dingo. The cops thought she’d killed her baby, because she was “cold and unemotional” while being questioned. So they just did not look at the evidence properly, her first defence team sucked, and she got found guilty, even though there was tons of evidence that a dingo had indeed just come and grabbed her baby from her tent and dragged it off.

      If the cops look at you and get a feeling you are guilty, they will act on that feeling. You need a court, with a process, to try and detach all that human gut instinct away from the actual facts, to find the truth of the matter.

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• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Fartmaxxing.

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• mavu@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t understand you humans.

  Why does “everyone else has to suffer” if you are stuck with jury duty?

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  • peteypete420@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What are you?

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    • mavu@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No idea, but pretty certain that i’m not the same species that i read about every day in the news.

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    • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A meat Popsicle?

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• Dookieman12@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Needs some raw broccoli too

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  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    A beer and some peanut butter cookies.

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    • dingus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why peanut butter cookies???

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  • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ooh, dice it real small and put it in a airtight bag/container, bonus points for vacuum sealed. This works for pretty much every Brassica oleracea cultivar.

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• PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Your fellow jurors are suffering enough, why do you have to make it worse?

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• DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I served once, and it was an interesting experience, I learned to trust the court system more than I did before, at least for the civil trial I sat.

  Years later I was on call for selection. During the selection process I agreed, when the lawyer asked, that false imprisonment needed to mean they couldn’t leave, i.e. they were locked up. That was enough to eliminate me. I didn’t want to be on a criminal trial that sounded like it was going to last weeks.

  In short, it’s easy enough to get out of serving, there’s no reason to be a jerk.

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  • West_of_West@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve always wanted to do jury duty. Never been called.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      seems more likely depending how they get juror rolls. they usually target voter rolls, than DMV RECORDs, and then go down the list from them. also many people noticed if you voted frequently or recently you almost guaranteed to get one within 6month to a year. thats why people in other forums mentioned they stopped voting because of this too much of a hassle and it hurts thier income.

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    • Nollij@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Obviously it depends on your location, but you can probably just sign up. Around here, you contact the county court system (which is how our juries are administered), give them your contact info, and wait for a case. You’re limited to volunteering once per year, because some retirees would keep doing it just to stay busy.

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• Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I thought being on a jury might be quite interesting, until I found out you don’t get paid for it. Fuck that, I’m not working for free.

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  • Gork@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Last time I went they paid like $25 for the entire day.

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    • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That would barely cover your costs to be there.

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  • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Employers should have to give you paid time off for it

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    • hydrashok@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Some do

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      usually its not their responsibility to do so, its the city should be responsible. because the job loses out on people not being there for several days at a time.

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  • 69420@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You get paid where I live, but it’s some useless amount like $12/day.

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    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      that is effectively not getting paid imo

      I got bills to pay. I’m not living a lavish life. either it matches my income, or I find a way out of it

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  • cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s why they call it a civic duty, not a job.

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  • Notyou@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I got summoned recently and was excited. Ever8I worked with seemed odd that I was excited. The guy took a deal so they dismissed us around 11-12.

    The court wrote a small check but I got a full pay day from my job. Union benefits for the win.

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Where are you not being paid? It’s always paid here. It’s just a lot less than minimum wage (like $75 for the whole shebang no matter how long it lasts).

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    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The rate was so low in Harris County, TX several years ago that the day rate wouldn’t even pay for parking and the cheapest lunch at the courthouse cafeteria.

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    • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Depending on how long the trial lasts, that wouldn’t even cover travel expenses.

      That’s effectively working for free.

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    • dingus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean…think about that for a minute. If you’re being paid less than minimum wage then how are you supposed to afford to live? Some people live paycheck to paycheck.

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  • ieGod@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This not universally true. Can vary by country, province, and court system level.

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  • bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But the hours are good.

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• qarbone@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is only punishing the other jurors stuck there too. Unless they are putting out enough ppm to be noticeable even 15 feet away in an open air room.

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• snoons@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  1 Angry Man

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• ieGod@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I really enjoyed my stint as a juror. Never tried to weasel out of it either.

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  • CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s an important civic duty. For every opportunity to find Luigi did nothing wrong, there is a terrible case.

    I had a friend who had a 8 month jury stint over a infamous and grusome child murder. They had to review detailed forensic evidence. He had to go to therapy for panic attacks for years.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    if you have alot of time on your hands. but in most cases people cant afford to take work off just do it, they lose out on alot of money. and most states pay very little, like a few bucks to 15/day if you are selected. federal might pay more.

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• Simulation6@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s a lot of food. You could feed a family of 4 on that.

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  • tamal3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They’re going to eat from the same container for the whole week. It’ll get better every day.

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    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Like bigos.

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• Etterra@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is genius, though personally I’d the eggs into egg salad and add plentiful fried onions.

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  • vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    here we didn’t get to bring our own meals. We weren’t even allowed to go home or keep our phones at all

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    • Etterra@discuss.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Practically speaking it would be better to eat it before going in so that you’re digestive system can do its thing. That means to to 24 hours in advance. So like dinner and breakfast before heading in should prime the system nicely.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      thats only if you get selected to be one of the 12 jurors, or alternates. we just sat in the seats waiting to be potentially called in the room.

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• Doom@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ya’ll if you don’t want to serve just tell the court you know what jury nullification is and ask to be dismissed. No need for biological warfare.

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• KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Some sauerkraut also. Gives it a tang.

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  • snoons@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cheese would go well with it too. Wash it down with some organic olive oil and for for dessert sugar free gummy bears from a disreputable temu seller.

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• sirico@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  12 angry farts

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• robocall@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You can tell the lawyers you don’t want to be selected. They typically don’t want people on the jury that aren’t taking the responsibility seriously

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• unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My relative said he would never get culled as a juror, because he was an activist lawyer. Actually he was a lawyer for a local city government and he helped shape all the changes for a region and after he retired from the city, he represented local cops who had fucked up real bad

  So get a law degree if you want to get out if jury duty

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    lawyers, LEO, or family of either one will usually get you excused asap. the 2nd less common is being a MD, PHD, or another scientist or specialist.

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• Formfiller@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And an ipa

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  • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And some asparagus for that reeky pee

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• MrSelfDestruct@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Real human bean

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• imadethis@fedinsfw.app ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m pretty sure you can just open one can of surstromming and save yourself all the effort of the eggs.

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  • Etterra@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What does that mean in American?

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• TIEPilot@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Take it easy Satan… talk about evil.

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• FluidBeef@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  A Dozen Eggy Men

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• Gates9@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “OMG DELICIOUSSSSSS!!!”

  Image

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• PacMan@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hope they brought some fish to microwave during lunch. 1430 they are putting their popcorn in for 2 extra minutes

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    bring some durian candy.

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• turtlesareneat@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s weird how sometimes y’all will engage with an AI image like it’s real without further discussion

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  • Robin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Looks pretty real to me. The text on the bag is readable and a real brand.

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• resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What, no black coffee?

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• ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  YOU CAN’T HANDLE A SCOOP!

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