Total fiction. Everyone knows you have to go to a unlicensed seller at a gun show in the majority of states for that, not a gun store
Anon watches The Terminator
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ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
festnt@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
in the majority of states
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
States Where You Can Buy a Gun at a Gun Show Without a Waiting Period or Background Check
In the following states, private sellers (non-licensed individuals) at gun shows can sell firearms without conducting a background check or imposing a waiting period:
Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas Georgia Idaho Indiana Kentucky Louisiana Maine Mississippi Missouri Montana New Hampshire New Mexico North Carolina (only for rifles & shotguns; handguns require a permit) North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 3 months ago
It doesn’t have to be a gun show, can be anywhere. I’ve legally purchased a handful of guns in random parking lots.
shalafi@lemmy.world 3 months ago
unlicensed seller at a gun show
Says people who have never been to a gun show. Find me ONE table that’s unlicensed.
prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 3 months ago
There’s one gun show near me that allows private sellers to register for a table. The only time I’ve ever seen it is people in a historic items collectors club that show up, and I’ve only ever seen one with a gun to sell that was in working order and manufactured post-1899. He wanted $5,000 for a beat up m1917 Enfield. I don’t know whether he was stupid, or looking for someone else who was.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m sure there are plenty.
The finer detail though is that any FFL with a table still has to run a NICS background check. While any non-FFL doesn’t (and to my knowledge can’t even if they wanted to), which is exactly the same as if they were selling privately in any other way.
So, it is sort of true you can buy a gun without a background check at a gun show, but it’s not like it’s a special law free zone where FFLs suddenly are exempt from the rules.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Tbf, some states allow private sellers at gun shows, some don’t, some shows in states that do allow it won’t allow it themselves, etc. It’s kinda a mixed bag leaning more towards “mostly FFLs.”
My local has both, for instance.
frezik@midwest.social 3 months ago
I can find several people walking around with an AR15 strapped on their back with a sign that says “For sale, $1200”. That’s the actual private sales loophole.
NABDad@lemmy.world 3 months ago
No. That wouldn’t happen in a gun store.
You’d have to go to a gun show.
Metz@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I mean Terminator 1 takes place in 1984. As far a quick search goes, there were no background checks, no assault weapon ban, no national mandate for a waiting period, …etc
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I think you could still buy machine guns. No phased plasma rifles though.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Background checks started in '68, they didn’t become instant until like '93 because internet but they still existed, I think it was by phone back then. The rest of that isn’t around now either except for some states, the national AWB expired 21yr ago, and there’s never been national waiting periods.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The NFA existed.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Private sales are private sales. Has nothing to do with gun shows, that shit is just ignorance from anti-2a groups/people. The pro2a people have been asking for access to the NICS for years. Even if we had to pay $10 for a BG check to come back as clear or not, but they don’t want that because it takes away from their wedge issue.
jaxxed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
even as a foreigner, it is clear to me that gun-wary Americans tend not to be anti-2a, but want background checks and gun limits. Maybe politicians fit your narrative, especially Democrats, but if you are talking about citizens you are likely straw-manning.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
but they don’t want that because it takes away from their wedge issue.
Who is “they” in this case?
IMongoose@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s required in Illinois to use a private seller portal for private sales through the state police site. It does some kind of check and it’s free to use.
iowagneiss@midwest.social 3 months ago
Except Comic Con is rare, and they don’t have to take down their “gun show this weekend!” signs here in Iowa because that’s every weekend, or so it seems.
Agreed though. I was actually worried about what maga might do if Harris won, so I made my first purchases before the election. I had to provide ID, enter some personal identifiers into a website and be approved by a federal agency. It took an extra 30 minutes or so.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
I live next to fairgrounds. Every Saturday: Gun and Knife Show.
But I also remember working at a marina and where I saw far more transactions take place between two parked vehicles than anything that requires paperwork.
Eheran@lemmy.world 3 months ago
What would not be like that? Nidal Hasan did it pretty much like that prior to his 2009 Fort Hood shooting?
taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
a gun show is like comic con, only for guns.
So people dress up as sexy guns?
NABDad@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They cosplay as tough guys.
loaf@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
It was when I was younger. At 16, I was able to walk into a local gun shop and buy two boxes of 9mm ammo. Shop owner didn’t seem to care at all, so my friend (17) went back in weeks later to buy a .22 pistol.
No ID. No anything.
Thankfully, things have changed since then.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Changed for the better, right?
Dagnet@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Better for sure, now kids can buy assault rifles /s
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 3 months ago
loaf@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
😂 we were so young and dumb, we didn’t think that far ahead.
My friend just wanted something small (bad, BAD city), and what I bought wasn’t even for me. I got sent in by older guys who apparently weren’t allowed to buy ammo.
In retrospect, I think I was lied to 🤔
Thorry84@feddit.nl 3 months ago
You think the owner knew?
RBWells@lemmy.world 3 months ago
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
1984? In some states, yeah, It would have been that easy.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
In 1984, a full auto would still have been on an NFA registry. Open, rather than closed like today, but still not a simple one step sale.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 months ago
If you find a one in a million firearms store who buys their own stock and resells out back illegally, it still is.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They’ll pry my right to sell a late medieval firearm to children from my cold dead hands.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Antique guns are pre 1898. Those guns are far more dangerous as a club than a gun.
Alsephina@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Damn not very 1984 of them
kreskin@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Except for state laws-- usually california, no limits on ammo purchases. Purchase 5 million rounds if thats what you need for um, deer hunting. Nothing over 50 cal, but 50 cal is fine. Mount it on your pickup truck I guess. 50 cal ammo is 3 bucks per round for the cheap stuff so that adds up. Not a gun for the poors to own. You can own a tank if you want to also, but theres a lot of laws around making it street legal, depending on the tank’s weight.
Operating a tank is a paperwork nightmare, which is another reason why Americans are so cynical about their government.
(/s)
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 months ago
What do you mean I can’t have a Warhammer 40k type of missile launching bolter?
scoobford@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
You can have it so long as it is semiautomatic. There’s just a lot of paperwork involved because the bolter itself and each individual round are probably considered destructive devices.
zaph@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
You can own a tank if you want to, but theres a lot of laws around making it street legal, depending on the tank’s weight.
What if I just want a little joy ride through San Diego as a treat?
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 3 months ago
I enjoy posts like this where Americans get hooked into the legalities of what guns can be bought, the ammo, whether it’s permitted in some states, etc.
It’s a movie about a robot from the future which time travelled. And people are questioning the legalities of buying guns in the 80’s.
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
And also the answer is easy, yes. Then, now, tomorrow, yes you can just buy any gun anywhere you want at any time. To be clear, I am American. Living in Amerikkka. Before posting this I went into my local Starbucks and bought a mortar launcher and a semi automatic pistol. After that I went over to fed ex and printed 3 luigi pistols in 4 different colors.
Could you just imagine the suppression people face in other countries? Calling them colours or whatever it is in the metic system.
nthavoc@lemmy.today 3 months ago
Can confirm. I got the two mortar round special to go with my vinte mocha frappachino. I showed them my 'merica card and got an extra tube launcher thrown in because I drink a lot of fancy overpriced coffee as is 'merican tradition. Two more punches on my card and I get a drum magazine for the rifle of my choice with 2 pallets of ammo. Also back in the 80’s you could just buy your guns out of vending machines at K-Mart. Terminator is using rookie numbers and clearly from the future.
Psaldorn@lemmy.world 3 months ago
UZI NINE MIDDIMETER
madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 months ago
PHAZE PLASMA RIFLE IN THE 40 WATT RANGE
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Well, he did come from the future after all. It wouldn’t be hard for Skynet to dig through criminal records, court cases, sales records, bank info, etc… and pinpoint where to get an optimal shopping experience for this mission.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Part of the plot was that Skynet didn’t have great records. The terminator had to use a phone book and go down the line killing Sarah Conners because it didn’t know which one was the target
tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
I find it weird that there probably was an early skynet that did know all these addresses off a bat but had no time machine, and then a later skynet that lost that info but did have that time machine.
I guess the rebels really did make a marked difference to the data banks of skynet to cripple it, even as its capabilities were extended
NutWrench@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
He also asks for an “Uzi 9mm” a full-auto machine gun, which you could NOT just buy over the counter at a retail gun store.
JDPoZ@lemmy.world 3 months ago
There was a ban on selling machine guns to civilians that was passed in 1986.
The original Terminator film came out in 1984. So now? Yes, but then?
Probably accurate.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Not entirely. Machineguns have, since 1934, been required to be registered with the federal government, and for a normal person individually require a federal approval to buy (a “stamp”).
What happened in 1986 was the machinegun registry changed from open to closed. This means, that new machineguns are no longer added to the registry, meaning that for the average person (ie not somebody involved in the industry with their own special licensing) the number of machineguns for sale is limited and supply over time will always be going slowly down.
The process for buying a machinegun is as simple as buying any other NFA item like a silencer/suppressor or an SBR. The cost has skyrocketed thanks to limited supply.
thirstyhyena@lemmy.world 3 months ago
What if the ban happened because of the movie, someone realized robot from the future could really happen, so they just ban it.
zzx@lemmy.world 3 months ago
There are still transferrable Mac 10s out there though
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Which you don’t just buy over the counter in a one step transaction.
AllOutOfBubbleGum@lemmy.world 3 months ago
“Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.” “Hey, just what ya see, pal.”
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
“Hey wait a minute. Those haven’t been invented yet. What are you? Some kind of time traveling killer robot with incomplete historical records. Hang on just one second pal, I gotta go to the back.”
eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Used to be.
blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 months ago
20 years ago in Idaho my buddy who is a Marine took me into Walmart. The only restrictions on our purchases were the bounds of our debit cards.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 months ago
It was in the 80’s.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
As an American, no.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
In California not sure about back in the 70s but not now at the very least. Ya have to find the dubiously sane redneck and buy it at a premium. Note if the ATF asks then ya say you found it in the desert cause if ya snitch you will become very aware of the fact that a surprising number of California Rednecks “went backpacking in Ireland” during the troubles and brought back what they learned if ya catch my drift.
roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 months ago
In California it’s more like they went backpacking with Aryan Nations.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
In California that would be illegal to do now. I mean sure you can probably find a guy to do it, and he’ll probably sell you meth or heroin too if you ask nicely, but it is already illegal in CA to do any of that.
CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
In the 80s it was. Nowadays you’d have to pass a background check.
someguy3@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Dude clearly got the paperwork out.
Xanthrax@lemmy.world 3 months ago
No. But if you’re a Californian driving to Nevada or Arizona, yes.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
thegerstenlawfirm.com/…/nevada-background-check-a…
Nope, not for 4y, and even before that, while possible it would still have been illegal for the californian, and for the nevadan if it was a handgun.
thegunzone.com/how-to-legally-sell-a-firearm-in-a…
Not in AZ either, as while it is legal to sell privately without a background check:
- Can I sell a firearm to an out-of-state resident?
It is illegal to sell a firearm to someone who is not a resident of Arizona without going through a licensed dealer.
Xanthrax@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They can send them home for you in Arizona if it’s a licensed dealer. It’s just marginally cheaper for stuff like bulk ammo. Especially if you’re going out that way.
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
lol no. Maybe in the past but now there’s a background check and often a mandatory waiting period before you can just walk out with a gun.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 months ago
In fairness you could probably just walk out with it if you do what Arnie does in the movie…
doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
I mean kinda, but you gotta sit for a background check
Yokozuna@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Question about the pistol here, is the mount reliable enough to keep it zero’d and accurate? That’s a huge pistol and the kickback on the slide would be nuts, lots of energy moving around there to knock something loose, or at least a little off center, I feel like.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Modern day, sure no problem. Today’s micro red dots can be mounted to the moving slides themselves and survive.
In the 1980s? Maaaybe…
The laser in the movie is mounted to the frame by way of the grip, so it will shake around much less than if it were on the slide. Mounting optics to the frame is how competition guns were (and sometimes still are) set up.
The question comes down to the durability of a laser device made in the 80s. The movie’s laser was a specially made prop. On one hand it was made by the precursor to Surefire which is known for quality equipment, on the other hand I doubt the movie cared about it actually holding a zero.
Dasus@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 months ago
SOVL
Inucune@lemmy.world 3 months ago
A reminder this was during a time period we all collectively agreed to ignore Arnold’s accent for narrative purposes.
GraniteM@lemmy.world 3 months ago
My theory, at least for purposes of The Terminator, is that after Judgment Day, there were some human holdouts in Austria who sent troops to help fight Skynet, so that’s why an Austrian accent would be assigned to an infiltration unit.
I have nothing to say about Terminator 3. That was like three or four timeline modifications later. There’s bound to be some reality degradation.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
They tried to fix it.
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Meanwhile, in Germany, they have to dub him, even if he speaks German, because he sounds like a country bumpkin.
blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Omg I forgot that’s not even a joke. He played Americans and didn’t even try
tomenzgg@midwest.social 3 months ago
The number of times I’ve watched Twins and that…didn’t, at all, stick out to me…