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• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:

  I find that the Debian/Ubuntu repos (the dpkg/APT system that uses .deb files) have more stuff in them than Fedora’s repos (the DNF package manager that uses .rpm files) do.

  Ah, makes sense. That’s probably because Fedora doesn’t package non-FOSS packages, so you need to use something separate like RPMFusion, and that doesn’t contain everything. There’s usually a repo for what you want, but for something really niche, yeah, Ubuntu will probably have a better chance of having it, followed by Debian.

  That said, I really like the way openSUSE does it. Basically, they have OBS, which is kind of like the AUR, but it actually builds packages for you. I think that’s a much better way to handle it than building stuff from source on your local machine, since it allows you to share that package (i.e. dev machine vs other machines you have) and at least track down the dependencies needed since it starts w/ a blank slate. I don’t know if Fedora has something similar, and it’s certainly not a beginner-friendly option (if you’re pulling packages from OBS, you’re probably doing it wrong and will likely run into issues). However, that is the first step to getting something included in the official repos.

  But if it’s not in the default repositories, you should definitely talk to someone more familiar w/ the distro to figure out the “right way” to do it. I’ve built .debs and AUR PKGBUILDs, but only after learning from the community the right way to do it to make sure it doesn’t break on an update. New users are unlikely to put in that legwork, hence the recommendation to never use anything outside the default repos w/o asking for help.

  There’s problems at the bleeding edge, but there’s problems at the trailing edge as well.

  I agree. I guess my point is that if things work w/ an older set of packages, the chance that things will break is incredibly low. Whereas if things work on a bleeding edge distro, there’s a good chance you’ll see some breakage.

  For example, openSUSE Tumbleweed is generally a good distro, but there was a week or so where my HDMI port didn’t work, my default sound device changed suddenly and was no longer consistent (sometimes would pick one monitor’s speakers instead of the other, depending on which came online first), and I was stuck on an older kernel for a couple weeks due to some kind of intermittent crashing. This experience was way better than what I had on Arch, and fortunately TW has been uneventful for 2-3 years now (probably because my hardware hasn’t changed).

  So for a new user, I recommend finding the oldest distro that supports all the hardware you need. For experienced users, I recommend using a rolling, bleeding-edge distro and reporting bugs upstream as they happen, because the frustration of something breaking randomly is much less than the frustration of multilple things breaking on a release upgrade, and it’s nice to have the latest improvements to performance and whatnot (i.e. I used Wayland on TW way before it landed on any release-based distro, which was awesome since it allowed me to use different refresh rates on each monitor).

  For your example, I’d recommend users hop distros until they find one where everything works. If Mint is too old, try Fedora. There’s usually a sweet spot where everything works and you have a reasonably stable experience overall. Even Debian Testing (pinned to the release name, not “testing”) is probably a better fit than Arch or openSUSE Tumbleweed.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:

  there’s a lot if Git repos out there that don’t include instructions for Fedora

  For new users, if it doesn’t exist in the repos, you’ve gone too far. Don’t look for RPMs or debs, look for your distros package, and failing that, look to add a repo tons of people online recommend for whatever you’re using (e.g. RPMFusion IIRC). The vast majority of what you want will be there.

  If it’s something you really can’t live without, ask on the forums for your distro, and wait until you get multiple answers from different people saying the same thing. Give it a few days too.

  Installing from source isn’t a bad thing, I do it all the time. But a lot of people will trust some random post on SM and then complain that it doesn’t work or broke their system or something (see LTT’s video where he uninstalled his DE by trying to install Steam). Don’t install from source or random RPMs/debs until you’re comfortable tracking down what dependencies you need and are able to read scripts to make sure nothing funky is going on. Many posts online will be outdated, and with Linux getting more attention, malware is a growing concern.

  Mint tends to have an older codebase

  Does Mint still not use Wayland?

  Having an older codebase is generally good for new users, since the software tends to be more tested and more people will know the workarounds. Newer software will have different issues, so be careful chasing the latest and greatest if you’re not comfortable sifting through logs to figure out what happened.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Yes, and 2021 was a perfect storm of a bunch of stuff:

  • Windows 11 would break compatibility with older processors
  • Steam Deck announced - wouldn’t release until 2022, but there was a lot of excitement about Linux gaming
  • LTT made a video series (part 1 was Nov. 2021) where Linus used Linux exclusively for a month

  So yeah, a lot of people were curious at the time.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Would that be similar to Windows users who don’t set the language? Or do OEMs set that for the region they sell in?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Weezer? It’s a Three Dog Night reference. :)

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Yup, that’s what we do. I just installed a How to Train Your Dragon mod, and they love it. I have a server hosted on my computer, so my kids can play together.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Nice!

  For me, I went to the local community college in high school, and an old guy was in my Java class and gave me a FreeBSD CD. I installed it and played around with it for a year or two, but still used Windows. When I went to uni, I got an Ubuntu CD on campus and installed it on my rental, and later that year the Windows XP install had issues but Ubuntu was fine, so I switched.

  Now, if only I could run Linux on my work PC.

  I had that at my last job, but my current one uses macOS. At least it’s close enough to Linux on the CLI…

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Looking at market share stats, macOS market share is stagnant up until 2010-2015 or so, when it jumps from 6% to 12% or so, and that’s also about when iPhone became dominant. They’re currently around 15-17%, probably because the M1 series is so much better than x86 alternatives, so if you don’t need gaming or anything, it’s a great option! That wasn’t true before the M1.

  If it’s all up to the one choice, why didn’t they take off before the 2010s? macOS has been remarkably the same since pretty much forever, unlike Windows, which changes a lot each release.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  I don’t think that’s why. I think it’s more the features that work with the iPhone that are selling Apple laptops. If you want to use iMessage or iCloud between your phone and computer, you need both to be from Apple. That, plus the better performance and battery life of the M-series is more the cause of increased market share, not the single desktop offering.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Sure. If you have all three options be properly configured, it shouldn’t matter too much which you pick. The point is to make it apparent that you can change stuff, if you want.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Yup!

  Here’s my progression:

  1. Ubuntu because I was a noob; got pissed at breakage at the release upgrade
  2. Fedora, because that’s what my university used; got pissed that release upgrades took an hour (since fixed I think?)
  3. Arch, because my coworker recommended it
  4. openSUSE Tumbleweed because of snapper and they had a server distro (had recently set up a NAS and tried Leap before switching desktop to TW)
  5. Aeon on laptop because I wanted to try an immutable distro and it was in the family

  I’ll probably switch my laptop back to Tumbleweed at some point and my NAS to MicroOS, but for nos things work fine so I’m not motivated.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Three options is too many? If one is already selected, you can just click through without thinking. Windows already does that stupid “setting up your PC” crap, and this would be far faster.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  which you can do with a launch parameter

  My point is they built functionality specifically for a Linux-based system. In THPS, that meant offline mode, but for other games it could be anti-cheat, where to store game saves, or default settings (I think Cyberpunk some?).

  My point is that Linux is getting on the radar of game devs, and that’ll increase a lot at some level of adoption. I think that level is 5% on desktop Linux.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  If you like Windows, that’s 100% fine, keep using it.

  But I’m genuinely curious, what didn’t you like? Which distro(s) did you try? What problems did you run into?

  I ask because you obviously cared enough to try it out but had a bad experience, so that’s something we could maybe look into as Linux enthusiasts.

  I’m never going to berate anyone for their choice of OS, use whatever works for you. For me, that’s Linux, mostly because I found a workflow that works really well for me and it’s a pain to replicate on Windows. My SO still uses Windows because that’s what they like, and it’s totally fine, I’ll even help them fix stuff when it breaks. I honestly don’t care what people end up using, but I will mention my preference if I think others might be interested.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  I just banned Fortnite in my house because I don’t like the MTX nonsense. My kids either play on Linux or our Switch.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Here’s a graphic showing that:

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  I wish there was a graphic that showed English users with SteamOS separated from non-SteamOS users, because I think if we get 5% of non-SteamOS users, we should start to see devs pay a lot more attention. We’re starting to see devs make SteamOS-specific versions (e.g. THPS 1&2 offline mode), so the next step is getting Linux-specific adjustments for more games.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  That tracks since I left Arch about 5 years ago, maybe a little longer, and I used it for at least 5 years.

  I used it through the /usr merge which broke nearly everything, and for a few years of stability afterward. But even when it was super stable, there were still random issues a couple times each year. It wasn’t anything big (I’ve been a Linux user for 15 years or so), but it did require knowing what to do to fix it (usually documented clearly on the Arch homepage). This was especially true for Nvidia updates. After switching to openSUSE Tumbleweed, most of those went away, and even the Nvidia breakage seemed less frequent, and if something broke, I could easily snapper rollback and wait for a fix, whereas on Arch I had to fix things because going back wasn’t an option (I guess you could configure rollbacks if you had that foresight).

  I just took a look, and it looks like manual intervention is still a thing. For example, the June 21 Linux firmware change required manual intervention. There were others over the last year, depending on the packages you use or your configuration.

  That’s totally fine for Linux vets, but new users will have issues eventually. In don’t even recommend my distro, which solves most of those issues, because new user support isn’t there. The main reason I left was because I wanted to switch to btrfs (for snapshot rollbacks), and Tumbleweed had that OOTB so I gave it a shot.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  I don’t recommend Arch forks as a rule, unless it has fantastic support from the maintainers (e.g. SteamOS curates updates). It’s going to by break eventually, and it’s going to require manual intervention (probably minimal), and users will get mad. Maybe it’ll be fine for 6 months or a year, but it will break eventually.

  That’s much less likely with something built on Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, or OpenSUSE. Those all have solid testing and upgrade rules, unlike Arch, which is basically “works on my machine.” I used Arch for years until I got tired of the random breakage, and now I’m on Tumbleweed which has far less breakage and stays reasonably close to Arch package versions.

  My first recommendation is either Linux Mint (I prefer Debian edition) or Fedora, because those have good new user experiences and aren’t super opinionated like Ubuntu.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Yeah, that is nice. I won’t recommend EndeavorOS or any other Arch installer/derivative for other reasons (IMO, every Arch user should do the official install process once or twice to have a better shot at fixing stuff later), but I do like that UX.

  I wish more distros did it. My distro (openSUSE) does something similar, but I also don’t recommend it because the community isn’t all that good for new users IMO.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  That’s really too bad. I’ve heard great things about Bazzite, and it’s what I recommend when someone wants SteamOS.

  That said, that’s a bit different from what I’m talking about. I’m suggesting OEMs ship a pre-installed Linux desktop, and users are presented an option on setup about which DE to use. So all that would change is enabling one and not the others, but they’d always be present. After install, you could switch between them if desired without messing with the package manager.

  I personally use openSUSE (leap on server, tumbleweed on desktop, Aeon Desktop on laptop), and their installer is solid, but I haven’t tried it on a 4k monitor (worked fine on 1440p). Unfortunately, I don’t recommend my distro of choice because it’s not popular enough to have a good newb support network, whereas that’s basically Bazzite’s core demographic.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Sweet. Hopefully one day your use case will be resolved so the last one can move as well.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  They don’t need to, just give them 3 screenshots and ask which they want. Show KDE, GNOME, and whatever the distro wants as the third. Maybe include some bullet points below each explaining what they are (pick one from the last two):

  • KDE - familiar, extensible
  • GNOME - modern, minimalist
  • Cinnamon/Budgie/MATE - something in the middle
  • XFCE/LXQT - super lightweight for older systems

  Maybe select one by default that the OEM likes, but showing the option helps nudge them toward the idea that this is a flexible system.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linux gamers on Steam finally cross over the 3% mark⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  I’m guessing that once we get to 5% excluding console-like systems like Steam Deck, we’ll see it start to explode. That didn’t happen for macOS, probably because of the cost of the hardware, whereas Linux can be installed on whatever you have.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨We could have lived in a world where Hideo Kojima made a Matrix game, if only someone had told him he was offered to make one⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  If you’ve played one, you want to play another. There’s not a ton of gameplay differences between them, but that’s not what I play them for, I like the silly take on the story, the puzzles can be fun and satisfying, and the collectibles are fun to find.

  LEGO games are the comfort food of games IMO, you know exactly what you’re getting and it’s satisfying.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨We could have lived in a world where Hideo Kojima made a Matrix game, if only someone had told him he was offered to make one⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  If you’ve played one, you want to play another. There’s not a ton of gameplay differences between them, but that’s not what I play them for, I like the silly take on the story, the puzzles can be fun and satisfying, and the collectibles are fun to find.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨We could have lived in a world where Hideo Kojima made a Matrix game, if only someone had told him he was offered to make one⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Nah, all of the one’s I’ve played are fun. I’m sure there are duds, but here are my favorites:

  • Marvel Superheroes
  • both Harry Potter games
  • Jurassic Park
  • Lego Movie
  • The Hobbit
• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨We could have lived in a world where Hideo Kojima made a Matrix game, if only someone had told him he was offered to make one⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  And Arkham City.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨We could have lived in a world where Hideo Kojima made a Matrix game, if only someone had told him he was offered to make one⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Like the Batman Arkham series.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨anon has figured it out⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Or a permanent solution, it’s all about perspective.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Anon does well in school⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Eh, my kids are the smartest in their class, and the only real option is to put them a year ahead, where they’re likely the “dumbest”. They’re still in elementary school, so I would really rather they spend their time enjoying their childhood instead of trying to catch up in school.

  I was the same way as a kid. I did all the extras, was in “honors” classes, did “AP” (college credit) classes, and even went to the local community college while in high school and got a 2-year degree simultaneously with my high school diploma. I’m not some savant or anything, and if I skipped a grade at the wrong moment, I might have merely graduated a year early and not gotten that 2-year degree. My friend group also would’ve been impacted since I’d be a year different from everyone my age.