Prediction:
$999.99
Submitted 14 hours ago by simple@piefed.social to games@lemmy.world
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kandoh@reddthat.com 1 hour ago
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 11 seconds ago
If you go to CyberPower (nothing special about them, it’s just the first system integrator that popped into my head). You can find a prebuilt with a RX6700 (which is anywhere from 50 to 70 percent faster than the “custom” GPU on the Steam Machine*) for $1049. It would be monumentally stupid to price the cube anywhere near $1000.
*I’m using an RX7600M to estimate the performance for the Steam Machine since it has exactly the same specs.
lorty@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
I hope they release the price soon, the discourse on this has become incredibly tiring.
adavis@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I doubt they will. The market for NAND and ram is insane at the moment, RAM has gone up 100% in the last 3 months. Announcing a price too early could lead to having embarrassingly increase price shortly before or after launch, or take a loss on the products.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
A PS5 Pro, which is more powerful, is $750. If it’s not below that it’s too damn much.
kandoh@reddthat.com 1 hour ago
Cheaper games at a higher upfront cost
arsCynic@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
Fair prices are fair, the existence of billionaires is not. Tax Gabe Newell and the rest of 'em too.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 28 minutes ago
Didn’t he buy a massive yacht on the same day steam announced these products? It can’t be easy to sneak a superyacht under the publicity radar, but he seems to have pretty much managed it.
1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 14 hours ago
I went to PCPartPicker and tried to assemble a similarly spec’d PC, not with the absolute cheapest components, but definitely from the lower end sorted by price, it came out close to $800.
I guess if Valve can price it at that and be smaller it might have a market, but if much more than that people are better off just buying a PC.
simple@piefed.social 13 hours ago
2x8 GB RAM for 130 dollars? What the fuck? I knew theyve gotten more expensive recently but that stings.
TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world 17 minutes ago
The 2x48GB kit I bought in August for $300 is currently going for $1175, and it’s likely not getting better any time soon.
jogaklaa@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
PCPartPicker has a general price tracker where you can see how much RAM has spiked in such a short time. It really emphasizes how crazy things have gotten
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
“more expensive” really is underselling it. It’s out of control. Some kits have tripled.
CMLVI@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Brother it’s so bad. I’ve been trying to help a friend do one recently, or at least plan it, and I’ve watched my previously $85 2x16 sticks of GSkill DDR5 (like the cheapest option I had) shoot up to like $260 in under a month has been insane. It’s not even good ram…
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Yeah, the AI (manufactured) hype has caused RAM prices to skyrocket thanks to them buying out ALL the fucking RAM for those servers.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Gigasser@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
My guess is that maybe Valve was able to get a bunch of RAM before the price hikes.
MrLLM@ani.social 12 hours ago
That’s almost the Apple fee
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
I’ve seen estimates put the materials cost somewhere around the $425 - 500 USD range because of the specific, semi-custom hardware that they’re using. It’s also good to note that Valve will be able to get a better deal than any of us will because they can get bulk discounts and aren’t buying each part at a market rate profit from retail vendors.
Some people seem to be of the mind that it will be somewhere around the $500 - 800 USD range if tariffs and the RAM situation don’t screw with the price, and that it will probably price out the Xbox with Microsoft’s 30% profit demand and be slightly more expensive than the PS5 while having comparable but not quite as much power.
oce@jlai.lu 3 hours ago
Many people don’t want to get involved with PC building and just want something as convenient as a console to play their Steam games with good performance on a big screen. This can be priced quite above what a nerd would be able to build by himself with PCPartPicker.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
It would cost me about a grand to make a pc that still not up to par with a ps5 where I live.
someguy3@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
YouTube channel Moore’s law is dead priced it out at $425 including controller.
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
Smaller makes it more expensive. I hope it’ll be under $1000, but I think I wouldn’t be surprised if it were $1200.
Damage@feddit.it 10 hours ago
They’re letting us discuss this ad nauseam just to understand what prices people consider acceptable for these devices
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 hours ago
100%
But that’s not a terrible thing, I suppose.
DonEladio@feddit.org 10 hours ago
Absolutely. I think 80$ for the full package seems fair.
Damage@feddit.it 9 hours ago
Fair pricing means a reasonable profit on the base cost. Trying to gauge what people are willing to pay means that you want to maximise your profit at all costs, consumers be damned.
I understand that’s what Americans consider “fair”, but I don’t fully agree.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Anything more than $500 and we riot!
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Get ready to riot because there’s no way it’s that cheap. My money is on $800-1000.
Goodeye8@piefed.social 5 hours ago
I doubt it. I think they understand that the hardware market is volatile and what might cost $800 might be $1000 in a few months.
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
It’s a good idea, tout the market before doing anything controversial
Deconceptualist@leminal.space 12 hours ago
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The top end Steam Deck was like $750 at release. Replace the screen with better CPU and GPU, and there’s your baseline for the Machine. Since it’s “6x” performance, price will probably be a bit higher. People thinking way less are smoking crack.
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How many of you have actually had a Linux PC connected to your living room TV? I built one about 13 years ago (and upgraded the guts occasionally) and it’s been awesome. With a regular web browser you can watch YouTube (with uBlock of course), Plex/Jellyfin, or any streaming service, in addition to gaming. Plus I’ve done stuff like vacation planning with my partner, where we can easily bring up maps and hotel listings from our couch without hunching over a laptop or tablet.
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While Linux hardware support is quite good these days, there’s still something to be said for buying a machine that you know is fully supported and targeted by game devs.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
- Personally don’t think it’s as easy to compare the deck to a box. It’s harder to stuff the power of a steam deck into such a small package. I’ve seen the compute of the machine be related to about 600$ if you purchased parts on your own to build the pc, but considering Valve have economies of scale, custom deals for customized chips with amd and having priced “painfully” in the past, there’s a good chance it’s less than 750$. All the Steam decks had the same performance too, the expensive ones just came with more storage and a case (so using the top end price in your example seems unjust?).
- Very true, those keyboard/mouse combo things that resemble a gamepad are the best!
Deconceptualist@leminal.space 46 minutes ago
The new Steam Machine is very compact for a gaming PC of its caliber. That took some real engineering to find the right combination of component size, TDP, thermals and noise for such a small box. There’s obviously no screen and battery but otherwise it’s similar design work as on the Deck.
brown567@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
- Ooh! Me! My TV has been a Linux box since 2016, and I’m NEVER going back
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Same, but I’m much more recent. Got a rpi 5 running Arch. Been happy with it for 2-3 years now
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
- Yeah, I’m guessing $800-1000, and they’ll probably throw in a Steam Controller. That’s about how much a comparable PC would cost
- I’ve been debating it, but it needs to be something my 5yo can use.
- And that’s Valve’s target market here, those unwilling to DIY.
P1k1e@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Just set this up after the whole windows 10 support drop thing, and holy shit!!! This is awesome! Not only no ads but I can Strawhat everything! Just got a figure out how to do this for my phone now
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
I’ve got a Linux machine attached to my TV right now. It’s basically a Steam, Kodi and Firefox box.
tempest@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
The majority of the steam deck SKUs were produced prior to the AI memory crunch.
These steam machines are being produced in a market where memory is 3 or 4 times more expensive.
This box will be more than a steam deck. Probably 1000 bucks or so.
chellomere@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I’m happily running an Intel NUC as TV computer since 2013, and it’s awesome for exactly the reasons you state. I invested in it when I realized how fully crap the “smart” features of my Samsung TV are. The ultimate controller for it is a combo keyboard and touchpad, I have the Logitech K400r.
The NUC is starting to show it’s age now with its 4th gen i5, and I’m in the process of replacing it with a mini PC with an Intel N100.
nailbar@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
Looks at my setup with Samsung tv, NUC, and wireless touchpad-keyboard combo… Huh? How about that!
Katana314@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I had a PC connected to my tv for a while, main issue was I didn’t want to use a mouse or keyboard to interact with it. I tried desperately to get more ways of starting via controller or other lite interface devices, but nothing convenient. It was an old machine, so eventually I gave it away.
Deconceptualist@leminal.space 50 minutes ago
That’s a tough one. The new Steam Controller will probably let you use the trackpads with an onscreen keyboard (as long as you’re running the Steam app).
But you generally need some kind of keyboard with a PC. I have a little handheld Rii i4 with a thumb keyboard, maybe that would be better for you?
TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I use a Logitech K400 to control the PC connected to my PC and I generally find it to be much more convenient and responsive than using the remote on a smart TV or the controller for a console when over at someone else’s place. To each their own though.
psivchaz@reddthat.com 10 hours ago
Had a Windows PC hooked up to my TV in I think 2008, before streaming boxes and mass adoption of Netflix. Then it was dualboot for a while starting in I think 2015, originally with Ubuntu. Now it’s full time CachyOS Linux as of 2023.
It’s always been great. Wireless keyboard with the built in trackpad, plus originally 360 controllers but now 8BitDo Ultimate controllers. Plus I use it for homelab tinkering.
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etchinghillside@reddthat.com 14 hours ago
It’s $2,400 – 6 Steam Decks – the end.
sassymov@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Where am I supposed to be able to get $3,600 to buy this?
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 14 hours ago
SLPT: Drug dealing. You can make a lot of money in a short amount of time
rtxn@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
You have two kidneys, don’t you?
CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Sell your csgo skins
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
I know speculation is fun, but until we know the price officially, all of this is moot. Wait until next year when they announce actual pricing and judge it then for its value.
I, personally, don’t think it’ll be a successful product if it isn’t less than $800. They don’t have to have it cost console prices, but it does need to be at least somewhat within spitting distance. If the price is the cost of an Xbox or Playstation plus, say…a year of their online service subscription, I think that could be marketable.
If it’s closer to a grand, it’ll be a flop like the first Steam Machines.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 11 hours ago
Even at 1000$ it will most likely outperform any 1000$ prebuilt you can buy. If they market it like this it can absolutely work at that price point.
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Technically i believe that as long as it’s less expensive than the top consoles, it’ll have it’s market share, no?
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
$500 or bust
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
$299.99 feels like it should be the ceiling for a console.
gustofwind@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Remember, an Xbox series X now costs $600 for digital edition ($800 for 2tb + disk drive)
Flamekebab@piefed.social 10 hours ago
…and those are just flying off the shelves!
Lembot_0005@lemy.lol 14 hours ago
Why would anyone want it then? Just install Steam on your machine and use it…
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
As it says in the article, it’ll be smaller and quieter, so less offensive for most people’s living rooms than a full-size desktop. It’s not meant to replace your existing PC if you have one, unless it was getting old and you were about to replace it anyway. If you don’t have a PC, or don’t have one in the living room, then it might be a better option than anyone else’s prebuilt.
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 14 hours ago
And, as with any standardized hardware, it’s a lot easier to ensure games and services (like Proton) perform reliably.
Time will tell if this sells enough, but it could become the new standard for industry benchmarking/testing.
bisby@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
“on your machine” requires you to have a machine. This isn’t for people with computers already. This is for people who are already looking for a new machine, and this becomes the “ready out of the box” option.
LuigiMaoFrance@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
D O A O A
mereo@piefed.ca 14 hours ago
Think about it this way, people. Yes, it may be more expensive than a PlayStation. However, Steam offers numerous deals several times a year, so it will be worth the investment. In the long run, owning a Steam Machine or PC will pay for itself.
Unfortunately, due to the craze of AI server farms, PC parts are becoming more expensive. For example, the price of RAM has doubled, and analysts say that SSDs will suffer the same fate.
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Quick question, can you buy a pc and run the same OS and version of steam that this pc they built uses? Im assuming its the same as steam deck. Just wondering if you could build it exactly the same outside just installing steam.
CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
If olot really Is going to be priced like that then why? Like you Can Build a PC and Its even fun. You cant make a Powerfull PC that small easly but like…idk
BryceBassitt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Ofcourse it will. Anyone expecting any less are just optimists
ekZepp@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Thanks all the same Valve for 900 or more, you can keep it. We’re good. 👍
Darkness343@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
As long as I can buy it with one Troy ounce of pure gold and not more, it’s a good price.
bagbrugsen@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Maybe we will all benefit if the 14 year old kids gets a steam machine, instead of some cheap pos with loads of errors, slowness etc = extra rage in games.
Master167@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Over, under
$500 USD?
cdnwaffleiron@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
Think i’ll just plug my existing gaming laptop into my TV and save my money thx…
CoyoteFacts@piefed.ca 14 hours ago
I’m curious to see how the price will be affected as consumer PCs get stronger every year. Will they update the Steam Machine every couple of years, or will they decrease the price? I have to assume they are targeting a neutral price because their primary goal is to assemble a linux box with as little margin as possible and put it in front of you for an actual fair price, but “fair price” is a moving target.
Personally, I’m all for getting what I pay for. People who sell to you at a loss are up to something.
kurcatovium@piefed.social 12 hours ago
That sucks. I hoped Valve would price it competitively to boost the sales and adoption. But why would I buy this “crippled” PC for the same price I can buy retail? The main gripe for me is Gabecube has no room for upgrade, not even second drive, nothing. Which obviously is not the case with self built PC.
Don’t get me wrong I still like the idea, but the price just must make sense.
echodot@feddit.uk 14 hours ago
A PC of similar performance is about $550 so I don’t get what they’re saying about it not been priced like a console. That’s about exactly what a Series S would cost.
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 14 hours ago
Is this anounced to boost the sales of a yet-to-be-revealed steam link 2 ?
TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world 23 minutes ago
The discourse around this confuses the fuck out of me. Did people actually expect this to be <$500?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 18 minutes ago
Sure, if it’s not as modular as actual PC.
Otherwise they’re just selling a “default spec” PC that developers can target for benchmarks.