My education cost 200,000. You think I made all that back in one paycheck? Cry me a river, Natalie.
business is business
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OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 56 minutes ago
gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
Nobody cares what your camera costs, Nat. You can still take shitty pictures with a $5000 camera. Charge what you think your service is worth and work for clients who pay it.
socsa@piefed.social 49 minutes ago
$5k is also literally hobby money. I’ve spent way more than that snowboarding and hiking over the years. My lab setup at work is literally worth more than I will make in my entire career. Sit down bitch.
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
Exactly.
There is real skill involved in photography, and it takes real time even after being skilled. A 1-hour shoot in a new location still requires probably an hour of planning, maybe an hour or two of logistics, and maybe 2-3 hours of work after the fact to get the photos processed and distributed. And it’s basically the opportunity cost that will eat up the entire day, because you can’t double book the same sunset or other lighting conditions or whatever. There’s seasonality, too, if you want specific seasonal conditions in the shot, if you want to book the Saturday that other clients want, etc.
That’s before expenses like insurance, the amortized cost of the software and hardware (including the cameras and lenses and computer), web services for distribution of the files, etc.
It’s fair to charge a full day’s fair pay for a job like that, and that might mean wanting to charge something like $1000 for an experienced photographer, maybe $500 of which actually represents “profit” for the sole proprietor. But that only happens at that price if there are clients willing to pay that price.
For bigger jobs like parties or weddings, it gets a bit more involved, which is why a 2- or 3-shooter wedding job can cost several thousand, or even above $10k.
But for easy jobs like anything in a high volume studio where the lighting is already known, and there aren’t any logistics involved, it should be much cheaper. It just all depends.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I did a gig for a while doing Photoshop clean up of wedding images and portraits.
Just that one step can be an exceptional amount of work.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
I’ve met too many people who think the number they associate to a thing somehow makes them a better user of it.
Tons of people take amazing photos with tons of thought and skill involved in composition and everything, with a phone camera or shitty digital from 2010.
People who use the price of the equipment to justify expense instead of the quality of their work are usually bad at whatever it is they’re charging for.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 5 hours ago
You can shift the quality a lot with great equipment, but that requires you to know what you’re doing first. And it still depends on what you’re trying to shoot. Somebody trying to capture a great moment in high speed sports might need a better camera than a cat dad. But without knowing how to use it, it is worth nothing.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
At $100 per shoot she can pay off her camera in one year doing one shoot a week. That’s if it’s a hobby.
But since it’s not a hobby for her, as she points out, that means she can do 3-5 shoots per week. If she charges $300 per shoot, and averages let’s say 4 shoots per week, that’s over $60k per year. A small salary, but people get by for less.
If she wants to make more, that’s fine. But she has to convince people that she’s worth a higher price by doing quality work and demonstrating consistency, professionalism, building a network of returning clients and recommendations if she wants to be fully booked each week. Not by telling them how expensive her equipment is…
Soulphite@reddthat.com 7 hours ago
Just playing devils advocate here, there should be more involved than simply taking pictures. There will be editing, and putting together an album that makes sense to the customer as well; therefore she could charge more for her time and upcharge for album features such as hard copy decorative stuff.
Then again, there is that saying “starving artist” and all…
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
At $100 per shoot she can pay off her camera in one year doing one shoot a week.
Assuming you don’t value your time, sure. Pro-photographers charge a lot more than that. Also, who wants to give up a year’s worth of weekends for a fancy camera?
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 6 hours ago
On the flip side, Uber is basically a hobby. Do these people buy their cars just to drive for Uber, or do they drive for Uber to make some extra cash with the car they already have/need?
BooBees@fedinsfw.app 5 hours ago
The math has been done and the wear on your car isn’t worth the pay, either, so it’s a net loss that desperate people are using in an economy where jobs are harder to come by. So uber is taking advantage of people and subsidizing their wages by taking advantage of the impoverished, similar to how the biggest company with the most people on welfare is Walmart. It’s not a hobby, it’s a blight on our society because rich people created a broken system that they then use to further increase profits.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Nobody cares what your camera costs
It’s certainly a curiosity. Like, what’s the value-add of a $5k camera relative to a cheaper model? What’s the step-up or step-down in price? What features are you prizing? What brand are you favoring? What are your clients looking for that someone else can’t necessarily bring with a cheaper device?
Whole books have been written about the industry, the technology around the industry, and the kinds of people who pursue it.
Charge what you think your service is worth and work for clients who pay it.
Finding clients who pay well is half the work of any freelance job.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 48 minutes ago
My camera cost nowhere near $5000, and I’d gladly take $100-300 per shoot with it.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 1 hour ago
When I used to film pornography I got sloppy seconds.
It was the definition of win/win.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 53 minutes ago
A man after my own heart. Plus, dinner and a show.
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
tbf I doubt many Uber drivers actually profit, especially the ones driving $40k cars
altphoto@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
On the Uber and transport topic, I sometimes get to ride the light rail and I have to drive to the park n ride to leave my car and ride the rail.
The trip from my home to the park n ride is a quick 10 to 15 minutes by car. By bus it’s 1 to 2 hours. By foot it’s probably a few days.
The light rail takes me 30 minutes from north king county to Seattle downtown. If I drove there it would take an hour of mostly just sitting in traffic.
Progress is slow but if there was a light rail from bothell to Kenmore to the I-5 corridor, that would basically eliminate my need for a 40 to $90 Uber. We only pay that if we a traveling. That way we get a car from our house to the link and then easy 30 minutes to the airport.
The whole Uber thing is great unless there are only a few riders or a few drivers. Plus the cut that goes to Uber is probably stifling innovation. I recall that there’s an open-source Uber system called…
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 11 minutes ago
At my house there are no buses. There are no light rails. There are no sidewalks, no bike lanes. You can walk in the easement of people’s front yards but it’s mostly a ditch, full of water when it’s raining. I live inside the loop highway that runs around my 2+ million population city. Cars are the only option, even most of the homeless have cars here.
Hupf@feddit.org 2 hours ago
a quick 10 to 15 minutes by car. […] By foot it’s probably a few days.
Just as a raw ballpark estimate. By car could be 50km/h on average, with a walking speed of roughly 5km/h, that’s 10x the time it takes by car, i.e. 2-3 hours.
A few days usually takes you trough a few adjacent townships. Do you have to take a humongous detour on foot?
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 53 minutes ago
light rail from bothell to Kenmore to the I-5 corridor
that’ll be st12? 15? lol.
after the excavate under the mountain of queen anne to connect ballard…
honestly the real solution is to move out of the sticks, or stop working in downtown.
LuminousLuddite@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
What about Nacho Libre as a replacement for UberEats and Doordash?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
Advertising yourself as:
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Bad at internal budgeting
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Full of yourself
… is a bold marketing strategy during an economic depression, for a freelance/contract worker.
Best of luck Nat.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
… is a bold marketing strategy during an economic depression
Never undersell the possibility that this person is lying.
Or that this is a stock photo and the text is clickbait.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
This is really taking a pretty harmless comment too seriously. The point is shit is expensive and clients want everything cheap. Any freelancer can relate to this particular framing. I used to have people want $300 websites and they didn’t care that it would take potentially a week to build their site. Surely just abstractly we can all relate to shit being expensive though?
echodot@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
I mean she’s got a point. I used to do web design and the number of people who reckoned that it should cost the equivalent of $40 was ridiculous. I’d required at least 10 times that just as compensation from having to work with shopify.
ch00f@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
One of the main reasons I got into hardware is because there’s an inherent bias that digital things have no intrinsic value.
Like, you might expect a calculator app to be free, but nobody expects a calculator to be free.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
… did you market yourself as a stuck up prick who can’t budget well?
Or did you maybe save that for some stage of contract negotiations?
There are ways to dance the dance; hers seems to be the equivalent of loudly complain that no one is picking her to dance because no one can afford her.
Just not a good strategy.
tea_n_typewriters@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Don’t you dare question Nat of “Insert Last Name Photography” of being bad at marketing.
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InFerNo@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
She wants her investment repaid in 2 or 3 gigs?
darntootin@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Taxes, assistant fee, mileage, you own more than one lens and one cam body…no lol not even close. We haven’t even talked about post processing, delivery, rights, etc.
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
She should’ve mentioned that instead of just listing a single piece of equipment
Michal@programming.dev 4 hours ago
You’re right, but it’s not the argument she’s presenting.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
FellowEnt@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
Nice shots but if you’re wanting gorgeous candid shots of fast moving action (like weddings/events), you’re gonna struggle without the expensive glass/body.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I’ve got a nifty fifty which can open to 1.6, and that’s pretty good for getting as fast as 1/250th in dim light, and I got it for free! :D
Catch is, the zoom controls are at the bottom, on my feet.
echodot@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
Yeah but for all we know she’s a wedding photographer, photographs wildlife or something uncooperative, unlike a bridge which tends to sit still most of the time.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Man, I wish bridges sat still. Shit bounces.
That said, wedding wildlife does sound notoriously uncooperative; trying to get a bridal veil on a rhino sounds, well, difficult.
Seleni@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Those are really nice! I especially like in the first one how you captured the city lights on the water and filled in that potential darker space on the left with the bridge span.
Of course, there’s scenic photography, which is basically having really good composition skills, knowing good locations, and timing, and then there’s people photography, which is… extra. I don’t blame photographers for charging more for that shit lol
‘I want our wedding photos to be the two of us on a cliff at the beach at sunset with really pretty clouds behind us!’ And you’re thinking, okay, drive time, waiting for a good colorful sunset instead of a cloudless or too cloudy or foggy one (always a fun game of roll-the-dice in Oregon at least), and they want their backs to the sunset, so that’s extra lighting (that you’ll have to carry to the location) and extra time in photoshop to be sure you can still see their faces clearly…
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Yeah, I don’t do people cause they’re hard to look at, what with the brain damage and all, so scenery’s more of my thing. Scenery doesn’t stay put, but it’s a hell of a lot less wiggly than people.
And I mean, I’ve never seen the Oregon Coast look bad, you just have to take what it gives you when you show up, no expectations.
Fuuuuck, I think I’ve gotta go there this weekend, just to get out of town.
neuromorph@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
how do you white balance your shots/ seems overly sepia
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
It’s a preference. I’m biased away from cool light as a person, and like my work to be a bit warmer.
I turn off QRedShift when I’m working, then I ultimately end up re-creating it by hand, cause I’m just like that.
darntootin@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Hey man, I support your hobby, but uh, this is embarrassing to boast about. Be humble, you’re an amateur and that’s okay.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Seriously, I don’t care if you’re Gregory fucking Crewdson, you do not say that shit to aspiring artists.
Cultivate us goddammit.
DO NOT DEMORALIZE PEOPLE OUT OF THIS FIELD.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Hey, you might want to reset the password on your account, someone used it to post something absolutely idiotic under your username. Just letting you know, so that you get this sorted out.
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
I don’t really understand photography. Like it seems too broad of an art form. Like the guy who takes pictures of food is different from action photography is different from a wedding photographer. I feel like I don’t have the context to know she’s full of shit, but it kinda feels like it.
ClownStatue@piefed.social 5 hours ago
She’s not really full of shit, but she is being kind of bitchy. Meanwhile, Xavier’s just a trolling asshole.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Right, like the uber driver is getting ripped off too! The existence of multiple jobs not getting paid enough doesn’t justify any of them not paying enough.
OpenPassageways@programming.dev 4 hours ago
I’m not so sure.
I guess you could argue that the rideshare driver doesn’t own a car solely for rideshare, but the same argument could be made about the camera.
I’d argue that the rideshare driver is putting more wear and tear on the vehicle than the photographer is per shoot.
OOP maybe doesn’t realize it, but her post is perhaps an argument for spending less on the camera.
The photographer even at these rates that she percieves to be low, is going to pay off her camera before the rideshare driver pays off the car.
JDPoZ@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Good photographers are actually pretty rare and - in my experience - treat the field of capturing visual information as a science, but since the advent of consumer DSLR and mirrorless systems, modern-day digital cameras with nearly instant automatically-focusing lenses that utilize a grid array and intelligence models to smartly maintain clarity on what is most likely a subject as it moves in 3D space, have made it so much harder to fuck things up that it essentially has opened the floodgates of photography so that there’s an endless sea of morons thinking that buying a $5000 Canon with a full-frame sensor and a lens the size of a Stanley cup makes them Ansel Adams.
It’s the same with any field where the bar to entry gets suddenly lowered. The market becomes immediately flooded with new “experts” because the tools evolve to the point that they become nearly idiot-proof. Think Claude vibe coders calling themselves programmers / software engineers, Gemini prompters calling themselves visual designers, and people on SoundCloud uploading jingles they farted out on SUNO calling themselves musicians.
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
To me, the difference between a person who takes pictures and a photographer is that Ansel Adams might spend a week waiting for exactly the right lighting conditions before taking a single picture of a setting. There’s a whole lot of planning we don’t see.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Its all based on their time involvement. Hourly wage basically. You cab shoot for an hour and then spend several hours editing the shots. Wedding photographers might commit 20-40 hours to a wedding. 3-5 day of, rest editing. Batch editing and croppjng isnt bad but touch ups are the worst.
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 minutes ago
Yeah I figured a photographer would have an hourly rate, an that rate would depend on a lot of variables.
JDPoZ@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Don’t forget - the “difficult” client who wants you to make additional specific time-consuming changes AFTER reviewing them a first time.
When driving someone, they don’t usually have the ability now to ask you to drive them to additional locations after you both agreed on an original destination and fee.
Luffy879@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
I don’t really understand photography.
Its just like drawing. The technique matters most.
With food youre working with colours and macro, mostly, while with action you are trying to position yourself so you can get the best shot. With weddings its a mix.
It dosent matter if you are really good at drawing underage incest furry porn if the dude wants you to make an oil painting of the Alps.
otacon239@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
If my photographer can get me the picture I need with the $300 camera. I’m hiring them first. Not everyone needs their pictures on a billboard or TV ad.
spontaneoushumancombustion@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Not every gig is gonna earn you the cost of that camera. And it doesn’t need to.
neuromorph@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
the camera doesnt matter. are your skills any good?
darntootin@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I good photographer with a shitty lens will not make a good commercial product lol come on guys.
bountygiver@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
A good photographer also knows their tools that they would recognize when the shitty lens won’t work, but they also would recognize which budget options can get the job done.
neuromorph@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
What do you think photoshop is for?
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
Twelve bucks? That’s … Probably not a livable wage with cost of operating a vehicle. Let’s assume you do four of those in an hour for 8 hours, that’s 32 jobs a day, grossing 8 hours a day for $384/day and just under 100k/y… But you have overhead. You have to pay for the vehicle and it’s operating and insurance costs, and your own operating costs and insurance. If you live in any sort of American wider metro, 100k alone isn’t cutting it.
So let’s say you drive 6 miles per $12 on average. Operating a new car for a business is about $0.76/mile, so you subtract $4.56 of your $12 right off the bat, leaving you with $7.44/job.
That doesn’t include accidents or your tax, either. Let’s assume you get in one medium accident a year and you have minimal insurance. You pay out of pocket for your own repairs glhf.
Now you also pay 15.3% tax on your earnings because you aren’t an employee and Uber says to go fuck yourself. So on your 100k a year, you pay another $15,275 in tax.
That leaves you $46,625/year, driving full time.
If you bought the car on a loan, you make negative money.
If you get in an accident, you make negative money.
For full time.
Enjoy.
deft@lemmy.wtf 2 hours ago
Those numbers aren’t accurate. Used to have to Uber to a job 10 minutes up the road and after talking to a few guys they made about $20 off me.
From my understanding Uber is basically 15-20 an hour in my area at least. That’s a pretty typical wage. Can’t speak for everywhere though.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 minutes ago
Okay, I’ll try to do this an easier calculation using $20/job instead of $12/job
$20/7miles (include in-between jobs distance, 7mi is average total real per-job) = $2.86/mi(gross) - $0.76/mi (operating) = $2.10/mile (subtotal), subtracting another 15.8% of gross from subtotal ($0.44/mi) = $1.66/mi (net)
So if you drive (7miles x 4 jobs) = 28 miles hourly, you make 28 x $1.66 = $48.48/hour, which is significantly better. But keep in mind, you’re still fucking your vehicle driving 28mi/h and so another 58k miles a year commercially with thousands of people fucking up your shit.
That’s $96,678.40net/year with a $40,000 every ~ 4 years (250k mi sell point) (you might make an extra 10k on the sale!) (let’s call it $30k every 4 years, so -$7,500/year, assuming you have no payments and bought outright), and an accelerated degradation and depreciation of your vehicle, assuming you drive 40hrs/w and are basically nonstop driving jobs.
In short, ($12 -> $20)/7miles makes a big difference at scale. Takes it from making peanuts and scraping by if you aren’t too unlucky, to actually looking like you can save if you don’t get superfucked by something.
However, if you were saying $15-20 per hour TOTAL revenue, that’s a very different equation.
Honestly, 97k/year is probably top end. Ah I just realized I didn’t include tips. I don’t know how tips work in that company, but I seem to remember some of those companies just stealing them.
I’ll be honest, if you couldn’t tell, I’m pretty biased against that whole delivery/courier/driver industry and cautious about people thinking it’s viable. That stuff is always a trap. Otherwise, Uber would just make people actually employees and absorb costs rather than passing it to the
employeeworker. Taxis had it figured out, and even then it wasn’t great. And semi trucking can be viable, but that’s a WHOOOLLLE different series and scale and severity of traps. Super predatory stuff.
Master@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
A 10 min ride home is not the same as a 3 hour wedding and 12 hours processing images and video.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Of course. The second ‘wedding’ leaves the customer’s lips, the price jumps 5x. Because fuck you pay me.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
By your logic you’re not paying for a 10 minute ride home. You’re paying for a 15 minute drive to your point of origin, a 10 minute ride home, a 15 minute ride elsewhere, in time, fuel, maintenance, insurance, car payment, interest on that payment and taxes.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
That’s not what she was talking about though.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 hours ago
It kind of is, but she’s making her argument poorly.
If you want a professional photography shoot, there is a minimal expectation on equipment above whatever your phone can do. That equipment costs significant money to own.
There is also the money to pay for someone’s time for the shoot, which she argues for poorly. Even though photography is a hobby, selling services is a commitment of time to reach a certain minimum standard. That time is worth something.
ClownStatue@piefed.social 5 hours ago
Not to mention the skill of moving around a wedding in an unobtrusive manner so as to both capture great shots and not distract from the ceremony too much. A good wedding photographer is worth more than $100-300. But, people getting married should get what they can afford. Even if that’s a ride to the courthouse and your friend with the newest smartphone that has the better camera. Great photos are nice to have. Any photo from your wedding is going to bring back the memory.
distal@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
Photography is harder than most people think. You need to get to the places where you are doing your job, there is tons of communication involved, then there is editing and proper archival stuff you need to do, accounting is also completely different from that of an uber driver’s, and it’s not just the camera that costs more than 5K (looking at you BRIESE and Profoto). It’s really a whole thing.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
And then there’s lights. A decent portrait setup will run you thousands easily, and if you want to do anything even slightly abnormal (colored lights, say) it can be astronomically high. Art is expensive.
custom_username@reddthat.com 7 hours ago
You may have bought an expensive camera, and spent a good amount of time honing your skills, that doesn’t mean I’m paying you $6000 for 3 days of work.
darntootin@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
You are not the target client for that rate then.
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
Really depends though.
I do photography as a salaried employee with my personal $5k camera, so my paycheck is technically what I’m paid. But I do a lot more than just photos and videos.
When I do side jobs, I don’t charge much. Corporate headshots for example are about $100 per person or $300 for a certain amount of time for everyone on the same day. So depends how much of a pain in the ass they’ll be, lot more work to setup multiple times and try to match looks over long stretches of time.
But I base that on who I’m doing them for and how picky they’ll be about it.
I have worked with scheduling photographers by the hour, photo journalists, not your wedding/graduation people. I’ve booked shoots all over the US and it’s regional and based on demand/completion in that area. So someone can cost $1,000 for 2-hours on-site in Boston and someone can cost $400 for 2-hours in middle nowhere Kansas.
neuromorph@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
when i was shooting professionally, I had a flat hourly rate, with a price package for weddings/engagement photos.
wedding tax is across all fields and the engagement shots take a lot of planning and less actual shoot time. Other than those, I billed by he hour, like any skilled laborer
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 8 hours ago
My house cost 300 grand and you want me to look after your kids for 60 quid a day?
robomuffin79@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
If this photographer can reduce her time spent to the same level as a 10 minute Uber journey, then yes - she should not be charging more than $12
f314@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Using the price of the equipment as a reason was not a great decision 😅 Sure, the deprecation of your equipment is part of what the customers pay for, but any sane person would value their time much higher than that (unless the equipment is something ridiculous like an oil tanker).
And living with a photographer has taught me that it takes a lot of time! Just picking out which of the 800+ images from an event you want to show to the client for final choice is quite a job. And that’s before you even start to look at editing, which is always needed.
And then there is expertise. My SO knows what to do and how to do it because of her experience. You pay for that as well, and it should be worth quite a bit if you care about the quality of what you’re purchasing.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 8 hours ago
Hire whoever took the picture of her.
They’re obviously better.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
Photography has gotten out of control, my wife just got charged $1,500 for a house shoot and video for a real estate listing, same person charged less then a 1k a few months ago
darntootin@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
This comment section sucks lol I don’t even know where to begin.
Asafum@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I mean duhhh! It’s a business, I spend $5,000 on the camera that means I deserve $6,000 for one picture. This isn’t a hobby, it’s a business I must turn a profit. It’s not rocket surgery guys.
KokusnussRitter@discuss.tchncs.de 8 hours ago
Isn’t 100-300 pretty costly/ a good value for a photographer? Am I out of touch?
content_educator_94@thelemmy.club 8 hours ago
Just cause you wasted money on unnecessarily expensive equipment doesn’t mean anyone owes you fucking anything lol
It is a hobby
Get over yourself
Unless you are paying your bills with your fucking pictures
I absolutely consider photography an art form bit the amount of "photographers” who are absolutely thrilled with the smell of their own farts, taking black and white pictures of like a fucking chair on their porch and acting like it belongs in The Lourve is insufferable
Learn to paint or draw for fucks sake, you’re not special for picking the easiest way to make art, blowing a shitload of money on the camera and then whining no one wants to help subsidize your “passion”
kamen@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I don’t disagree with the notion, but phrased like this it’s kind of like trolling/clickbait - getting people to engage regardless of what they’re saying.
SethDove@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I work in disability. The act of driving is not considered a skill. Photography is.
Digit@lemmy.today 4 hours ago
this is fine, in that first glance, and then you think about it for a moment…
so much more going on in the maths, in what’s presented, and beyond,
utterly confounding the point it sets out to make.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 25 minutes ago
skill isnt bought