I live in California, so there was a lot of bemoaning the rising minimum wage.
“Why should someone flipping burgers earn as much as I do in a trade field?”
Mate, you should be arguing for increased wages, not trying to keep others down.
Cathy, do the math.
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PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Flames5123@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Seattle metro area has the highest minimum wage in the country. The top 5 cities in the US are all in this metro. This is because when the wage increases were passed by city, they were tied to the inflation rate so that increases every year, so no new laws have to be passed year over year to get this increase. No arguing every year for a simple cost of living adjustment.
Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Fucking thank you! Why is this so complicated?? Why fight for $15 or whatever if you know by the time your get the fucking laws past your dollar is worth half as much.
It’s so transparently flawed to because tying minimum wage to a formula/basket/col/astrology FFS, Would mean not having to revisit this fight every. Single. Year.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Shit even Republican voters and Republicans “should” want minimum wage tied to rate of inflation. Why? Because it creates incentive for the Federal government in keeping inflation lower, keeping inflation lower being something that “supposedly” the average Republican voter wants.
dohpaz42@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Mate, you should be arguing for increased wages, not trying to keep others down.
It’s my opinion that people like this aspire to be their own boss, make their own money, and look up to business owners as mentors.
None of that is inherently wrong, until the mentors/business owners start espousing the evils of increased wages, how paying taxes is preventing pay raises for their workers, etc.
So not knowing any better, these wannabes go out and parrot what they’ve heard their heroes say as if it’s gospel. And of course the talking heads that they listen to say the same shit, further solidifying the class warfare mentality.
x00z@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Those same people get mad if nobody is flipping burgers for them.
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is the new American way. Zero-sum thinking all the way down. Anyone else’s win is our loss. Every situation must have a winner and a loser. Win-win situations are considered immoral for these people. We’ve moved past rugged individualism to a full-on Hunger Games mindset.
rockerface@lemm.ee 2 months ago
“Why should someone flipping burgers earn as much as I do in a trade field?”
Because someone flipping burgers has more value to society than someone who spends their day making rich people richer.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Cathy is a dumbass. Don’t be like Cathy.
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
That’s up there with refusing raises to avoid going up a tax bracket.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I will forgive people who were previously had a low enough income to have benefits that magically disappeared completely at a certain threshold when they received a raise for assuming that making too much money could be a negative. They generally never made enough to understand how tax brackets work.
jonne@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Or the boss calling a cost of living adjustment a ‘raise’. No, motherfucker, I’m just back to where I started.
miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
“If I work overtime, I make less!” – dumbfucks we’ve all worked with
needanke@feddit.org 2 months ago
Cathy? If I see FirstNameBunchOfNumbers and a twitter checkmark my first assumption would be that its a bot.
varjen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Together we bargain, alone we beg.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This needs to be on a fucking t-shirt.
Gloomy@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Sure. Have your pro Union T-shirt. And what better place to buy it from than
pyre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“your statistic is false because I have an anecdote” is literally the entire basis of the conservative understanding of science.
union workers don’t make more on average because I earn half a dollar more.
global warming isn’t happening because I brought a snowball.
vaccines cause death because my friend walked out of a clinic after a shot and got hit by a self driving tesla.
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 2 months ago
vaccines cause death because my friend walked out of a clinic after a shot and got hit by a self driving tesla.
😂
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It really is a kind of solipsism, emotional immaturity as a self-justifying worldview. Problems don’t exist until they impact me personally, repeat and nauseam.
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Because I have an anecdote, and interpret it in the stupidest way possible, as exhibited in the OP
madcaesar@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Global warming is a hoax, it’s cold in my basement today!
jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I can continue to eat things that kill me because I take stents that reduce my chance of heart attack by a couple percent
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 months ago
“conservative understanding”
Sounds like all conservatives are idiots or rather idiots are the ones who are politically conservative.pyre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
it’s both. conservatism is both appealing to stupid people and it compounds stupidity.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
How is it even legal to have explicitly preferential pay for people not in a union? Is there a limit to that, or can companies just say, “Anyone who joins a union will be paid minimum wage.” Ofc with at-will employment they can always just fire you, but like, if you think about it it’s pretty fucked up right?
Stern@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if the union has other benefits that more then make up for the 50 cents, e.g. better medical, vacation, or whatever.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I get that, I’m just highlighting the potential for abuse.
lime@feddit.nu 2 months ago
sounds like their pay is based on union rates. that’s probably just a company policy for everyone.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
What I’m saying is that if they can set “$0.50 above union rates” as the company policy for everyone, they can also set “$5 above union rates” as the company policy for everyone and then cut union rates by $5. It’s essentially just bribing people to not join a union or penalizing them if they do. It being company policy for everyone is irrelevant.
Sheldan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I don’t think it’s preferential pay. It’s just that they pay more, somebody in the union also can get more money than the union minimum. Somebody not part of the union can get less or more than somebody in the union, just not below the union minimum.
It’s not that if they join the union that they get less money. The union + 0.5 just means that they earn better than the minimum and the employer gives them more than the minimum, because people like that.
At least that’s how it works where I live and union contracts are common.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
My contract states that we make $0.50/hr above union wages
You may be right, but it certainly sounds like she’s claiming it’s contractual, explicit, and general policy.
TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
So even then, the union people might be making more than the union minimum, so the non union person might still be making less than an average union person while not getting any union benefits.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 months ago
How is it even legal to have explicitly preferential pay for people not in a union?
Other than the minimum wage and protected classes, there’s not really any laws around how much employers must pay. They can have two employees, Bob and Tina, and pay Bob half of Tina’s salary because they just hate the name “Bob”. If Bob doesn’t like it he can quit.
Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 months ago
How do they even know you’re in a union? I that they just knew whether there was anyone in the union.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Lol the fact that she even has a contract at all is because of unions.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“Rising waters lifts all ships”, Cathy. Ever heard of it?
MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“This is my water! You go float on your own water!”
mmddmm@lemm.ee 2 months ago
It’s worse.
It’s “I’ll have you rising my water thank you, but I refuse to concede anything that could help you.”
mumblerfish@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is what Swedish unions did even more directly. A company hired labour from Latvia I think it was. The union showed up and said that thats all fine, but you have to pay them properly. None of them were members. They picketed the company for the sake of non-members wages. Why? To avoid social dumping down the line.
BullishUtensil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There are two schools of thought:
Those who want as good life as possible, and Those who want to have a better life than everyone else, no matter what.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Man I was sad as shit when Nina Turner lost. Bernie Sanders backed her up too.
Filthmontane@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think she’s running again. I was at a UAW conference last week and Nina Turner spoke there. I think she’s trying to drum up support for another run.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I hope she doesn’t give up and wins this time
BenLeMan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Wow, that just threw me for a loop. I still remember the hits, like “Steamy Windows” or “We Don’t Need Another Hero”. But then, that was Tina Turner. 😅
SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Didn’t Nina Turner turn to the grift or am i thinking of someone else?
tacobellhop@midwest.social 2 months ago
Tina Nurner?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I mean, did she or didn’t she? You’re heading us off with a Cavuto Mark, here.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
This doesn’t even need to be in your contract. When union shops get a raise, non-union shops either have to compete, or lose their best labour.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 months ago
When somebody insists, “X doesn’t matter because my salary depends on X,” it’s time to stop beating your head against a wall to teach them anything.
Alaknar@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Nah, nah, you see - I had an excellent breakfast today. Clearly that means world hunger doesn’t exist! Checkmate, leftist!
JustZ@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The fact that Cathy has a blue check mark proved Twitter is fucking stupid.
Someone64@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well it doesn’t mean what it used to anymore. Now you just pay for a subscription and you get it. Hell, I don’t know why you ever thought the check mark pre-Musk ever meant anything other than somebody’s identity being verified as true judging by what you’re saying… Never meant that their opinions were Twitter approved or whatever.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
The blue check went through some twists and turns. Originally it was meant as “your identity is verified”, then it became a status symbol, then it had extra features attached to it. At one point the people approving them were literally taking bribes to expedite or guarantee your blue check (like personal bribes, not a payment to Twitter). And at some point along the way it somehow became a “Twitter approves” thing, because at least one person had their blue check stripped for going too far as a right wing troll (Milo Yianno-whatever). All of that pre-Muak.
Post-Musk, it’s just a subscription you pay for with some extra features and there’s now a different checkmark for corporate or government entities that merely verifies their identity.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Net income is a small factor. One should compare the total package because the unions are usually way ahead of the non-union.
auginator@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I got higher at position as senior. But It wasn’t until I was able to join the Union that my income doubled. Year before I joined like in 2007 manager gave me a .10 raise. This shit is real.
slappypantsgo@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Pretty soon we won’t be able to trust BLS data, which is frightening.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 months ago
My company acquired a division that had a great union and we all got more vacation days. Woot!
pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Cathy is a fucking idiot
ExistentialCrispies@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Well 50 cents are enough for cathy to forget her mathy
Maeve@midwest.social 2 months ago
We could’ve had Nina in DC if not for some corporate Dem’s wounded ego. It’s almost like we should work on healing egos instead of fracturing them with culture wars and id pol unless… That’s the point of culture wars and id pol. 🤷♀️ 💡
Itzdan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah Cathy, sheesh
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Police Unions
WhatSay@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
They make 1337? Are you sure it’s not $31337 because that would be elite.
ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Fuckin Thomas Sowell. Unlearning Economics has many hours of content on why that guy is such a blight on economics and the world
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Cathy do the mathy. Missed opportunity
OccultIconoclast@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Ew, a Twitter screenshot
LMurch@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
God damn it, Cathy, you lush.
crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
God Bless Nina Turner
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I love how one person cites a statistic, and another person just dismisses it as false because of their anecdotal experience.
slazer2au@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sounds like every online platform ever.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
False! Source: my ass
pdxfed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Actually, that’s not true at all. This one time, I met a guy who…
Frozengyro@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is how most people think and see the world, which is why we (the US) are in the boat we’re in now. People don’t see the big picture if they never have to or aren’t taught how to think critically.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
I think it’s a complicated problem. To start with, the studies are usually paywalled. If you can afford to purchase access, you still need the capacity to understand and parse the formal academic language. Most people have neither of those requirements, and have to rely on the media to report the statistics accurately, which doesn’t happen.
This leads to a situation where the media keeps trying to say, idk employment statistics are better than ever, and then everybody updates their mental blocklist to filter out the word ‘statistics’.
Maeve@midwest.social 2 months ago
Almost as of by design of corporate overlords and billionaires. Almost as of billions of dollars and collective hate can’t fill the emptiness. Almost as if we should focus on healing everyone’s (including billionaires ')wounded inner child schisms and social divides may start healing. Maybe
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If these people were good at critical thinking, they wouldn’t have these stupid fucking opinions to begin with.
jonne@infosec.pub 2 months ago
And I’ve never heard of a contract that explicitly ties non-union workers’ pay to the union contact, but I’d be cheering the union guys on if they ever asked for a raise if that was the case.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
That’s actually more common than you think. It’s not explicit.
My niece who works at a very popular coffee shop where some are unioned, the non-union ones get paid a bit extra and reminded on the daily about that benefit of higher pay for being non-unioned.
And my aunt works as a receptionist in a non-union hospital. Her counterparts in a union, when they went on strike and got a huge pay bump… She suddenly “mysteriously” got a pay bump aligned with it because the non-union hospital was afraid of employees unionizing (which secretly, they were).
kahdbrixk@feddit.org 2 months ago
My thoughts exactly. And how I love this complete dismissal style with the “False.” at the beginning, that has established itself online. it’s a perfect giveaway for " now my personal but universal opinion, also called Truth bomb, is going to destroy your statement" - which in my opinion is just extremely patronizing and never really true.
Especially when comparing your personal anecdotal experience with a fucking statistic.
Oh and nobody talks like that in real life, or at least the people that do start their verbal line of argument this way are idiots and everybody knows it.
jmf@lemm.ee 2 months ago
False. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beats. Battlestar galactica.
cynar@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Part of the problem is that statistics can be abused. It takes a reasonable amount of training to be able to differentiate between reliable statistics and potentially dodgy. Even worse, we are often presented with them, striped or context.
The best solution is to teach people how to both spot problems and seek reliable data. The proper meaning of “do your own research”. Unfortunately, a significant chunk just give up with them and only trust their gut.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They can be abused, by people who understand statistics talking to people who don’t understand statistics. This is a good reason to learn statistical methods rather than reject them.
freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Typically, statistics are abused by poloticians/partisan hacks who take data from reliable sources and lie/spin it to their narrative. The thing is, the average Fox News viewer with a HS diploma isn’t going to dig any deeper. And I wouldn’t say they trust their gut… they trust the propaganda narrative.