If you don’t upgrade to Windows 11, you can’t use Recall, which is a great reason not to upgrade to Windows 11.
Anon's PC works
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bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
henfredemars@infosec.pub 4 days ago
I upgraded to Linux. It worked out well for me since I mostly pay retro games and games from yesterday year.
Shortstack@reddthat.com 4 days ago
I upgraded a Chromebook to Linux recently. That was a huge bump in performance that I wasn’t expecting, not even just for gaming.
Cheems@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I upgraded to Linux and can still play every game I’ve tried to play
raker@lemmy.world 3 days ago
If you want to stay with Windows for whatever reason, even 11, I can recommend Revision Playbook. It locks your installation and scrapes out the crap like unwanted updates and features like AI bullshit, Edge, Telemetry and whatnot. You can even manually install Apps from the Store without the Store if you like to. Security patches and selective updates come only via manual download from MS catalogue in my case, but you can automate this too with some tools.
MXX53@programming.dev 9 hours ago
I’ve been rocking a 1080ti since launch. Upgraded my 4th gen i7 to a 9th gen i9 on a sale a few years back. SSD upgraded when I got some that were going to be recycled.
Eventually I want to move to team red for linux compatibility. Other than that, I am sticking with what I have. (Doesn’t help that I have 2 small children that all my money goes to. )
Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 4 days ago
People want shiny new things. I’ve had relatives say stuff like “I bought this computer 2 years ago and it’s getting slower, it’s awful how you have to buy a new one so quickly.” I suggest things to improve it, most of which are free or very cheap and I’d happily do for them. But they just go out and buy a brand new one because that’s secretly what they wanted to do in the first place, they just don’t want to admit they’re that materialistic.
ddplf@szmer.info 4 days ago
Can I have some tips too?
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 4 days ago
Reinstall the os clean. That’s usually why a new computer feels snappy: it’s just fresh.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Free:
- clean fans and heatsink - others mentioned, and the reason is better cooling so it doesn’t throttle
- kill unnecessary services - that’s why reinstalling works
- install Linux - not reasonable for everyone, but Linux uses far fewer resources
- delete old files - as disks get full, it takes longer to find somewhere for files to go; try to leave 10-20% free
- try a small overclock - many older CPUs can give a little more without upgrading cooling; only do it if temps look good
Relatively cheap (<$200 each):
- upgrade drive to NVMe - huge difference if running an HDD, still noticeable of running a SATA SSD
- add more RAM (only if you’re constantly running out)
- upgrade CPU - esp if AMD since they release lots of CPUs for the same socket
It really depends on what’s making it slow though.
kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
People live in times of historic standstill. Society barely develops in a meaningful and hopeful way. Social relationships stagnate or decline. So they look for a feeling of progress and agency in participation in the market and consuming.
They don’t realize this because they aren’t materialistic enough, in a sense that they don’t analyse their condition as a result of political and cultural configuration of their lives so that real agency seems unavailable
VitabytesDev@feddit.nl 3 days ago
I have heard that Windows underclocks your CPU over time, to make you buy a new computer, and so Microsoft can get money from the new PC’s preinstalled Windows license.
I am not really sure if that’s true though.
MrLLM@ani.social 3 days ago
I have heard that Windows underclocks your CPU over time
I would say this is half true. Microsoft is known for pushing lots of software updates with unwanted features, so it’s probably that a computer will feel slower over time.
However that’s not an underclock it’s just that the CPU can’t keep up with that much bloatware.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Maybe your relatives don’t like you. It’s a petty but valid reason to ignore perfectly good advice.
Soleos@lemmy.world 3 days ago
They’re invested in PC gaming as social capital where the performance of your rig contributes to your social value. They’re mad because you’re not invested in the same way. People often get defensive when others don’t care about the hobbies they care about because there’s a false perception that the not caring implies what they care about is somehow less than, which feels insulting.
Don’t yuck others’ yum, but also don’t expect everyone to yum the same thing.
TheSambassador@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Very well put! I’d also add that most people aren’t even really conscious that that’s the reason that they’re mad. There’s ways to express your negative opinion without stating it as a fact or downplaying the other person’s taste.
qarbone@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’m very certain Anon isn’t just saying “nah, my rig works” to them when asked.
Maybe closer to “LMAO normies wasting money. fuckin coomsumers, upgrading for AAAA slop! LMFAO” into conversations they weren’t invited to.
SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
I use a gaming laptop from 2018. Rog Zephyrus.
fan started making grating noise even after thorough cleaning, found a replacement on Ebay and boom back in business playing Hitman and Stardew.
Will I get 120 fps? nah. But yeah works fine. Might even be a hand me down later on.
echodot@feddit.uk 4 days ago
Absolutely it totally depends on what you got originally if you only got an okay ish PC in 2018 then it definitely still won’t be fit for purpose in 2025 but if you got a good gaming PC in 2018 it probably will still work in another 5 years although at that point you’ll probably be on minimum settings for most new releases.
I would say 5 to 10 years is probably the lifespan of a gaming PC without an upgrade.
However my crappy work laptop needs replacing after just 3 years because it was rubbish to start with.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 days ago
It depends on what gaming you do. My 10 year old PC with 6 year old GPU plays Minecraft fine.
My other “new PC” is a mini PC with Nvidia 1080 level graphics and it plays half life Alyx fine.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
We replaced my mom’s warcraft machine 3 years ago. It replaced an athlonII from 2k7 at 14 years old. Your tank may be a 74yo grandmother so be nice.
jonne@infosec.pub 4 days ago
And even then, a few strategic upgrades of key components could boost things again. New gfx card, a better SSD, more/faster RAM, any of those will do a lot.
RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
High end gaming laptops are about a 5 year cycle, presuming you want everything ultra or high settings.
If you don’t care, my old laptop with a 7700k and a 1070 still runs almost anything, just not as well as brand new top end.
Khrux@ttrpg.network 4 days ago
I built an overkill PC in February 2016, it was rocking a GTX 980ti a little before the 1080 came out, and it was probably the best GPU out there, factory overclocked and water cooled by EVGA. My CPU was an i5-4690k, which was solidly mid range then, but I overclocked it myself from 3.5GHz to 5.3Ghz with no issue, and only stopped there because I was so suspicious of how well it was handling that massive increase. I had 2TB of SSD spaceand like 8TB of regular hard drives and 16GB of ram.
Because I have never needed to think about space, and so many of my parts were really overpowered for their generation, I have always been hesitant to upgrade. I don’t play the newest games either, I still get max settings on Doom Eternal and Read Dead 2 which I forget are half a decade old. The only game where it’s struggled in low settings is Baldurs Gate 3 unfortunately, which is made me realise it’s ready to upgrade.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I use an ultrabook from 2017 to play Minecraft sometimes.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 4 days ago
If not playing competitive, there’s very little reason to go latest and greatest. Just buy something with software support, or use Linux where support is practically guaranteed for at least a decade
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
Linux is actually a problem area here, because various crucial libraries for running games have limited support for hardware that old. I tried for a long time to get it working with stuff from 2012, my problems disappeared after upgrading my cpu recently. Something with Vulkan compatibility I think.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 4 days ago
Any idea what? Wine/proton should abstract away all those issues
Metz@lemmy.world 4 days ago
That is only really a problem for CPUs one would consider today as ancient like a Pentium 3 from 1999 because it doesn’t have e.g. SSE2 support. Everything after that should work without any problems.
With older or slower CPUs performance may suffer, of course, but that is not a compatibility question.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 4 days ago
Did you try cleaning your PC and replacing the thermal paste before upgrading? Linux struggles with CPU temperature
P1nkman@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The computer I built in 2011 lasted until last summer. I smiled widely when I came to tell my wife and my friend, where my friend then asked why I was smiling when my computer no longer worked.
“Because more he can buy a new one” my wife quickly replied 😁
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
This makes me wonder how long my build from last year should last me.
InputZero@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I’m rocking a Ryzen 2700x since 2018, or early 2019, and it’s still working like a champ. Granted Cities Skylines 2 is a bit much for it but I’ve been playing Baulders Gate and Helldivers with about a 100 fps average.
Pringles@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Mine is from 2011 and still going strong. It had some upgrades like extra ram, ssd and a new gpu a couple of years ago and I had to replace the front fan. It starts making a horrible noise about 4 hours into a gaming session with a graphically demanding game, but apart from that it runs perfectly fine. I don’t really play demanding games usually so I don’t really care. When it finally dies, I might just swap out the motherboard and cpu and keep the rest. It’s my personal ship of Theseus.
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 3 days ago
One upside of AAA games turning into unimaginative shameless cash-grabs is that the biggest reason to upgrade is now gone. My computer is around 8 years old now. I still play games, including new games - but not the latest fancy massively marketed online rubbish games. (I bet there’s a funner backronym, but this is good enough for now.)
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 2 days ago
How about the CASH abbreviation?
Created, Acquired, Stocks, Horseshit
The order in which they develop.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I thought anon was the normie? The average person doesnt upgrade their PC every two years. The average person buys a PC and replaced it when nothing works anymore. Anon is the normie, they are the enthusiasts. Anon is not hanging with a group of people with matching ideologies.
Allero@lemmy.today 2 days ago
Let’s just drop the word “normie” altogether.
The word is incredibly vague and fails to reflect the diversity of viewpoints and opinions. Everyone has their own perception of what is most common, so the definition varies wildly.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
The word is incredibly vague
isnt that, the point?
It’s supposed to refer to “normal” people. an incredibly broad and vague selection of people, who are, rather indistinct.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 days ago
These are PC gamers, their hobby revolves around computers.
It’s similar to how car enthusiasts might give you shit for driving a ten year old Camry, whereas most people won’t care.
weeeeum@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I genuinely dont understand this. On time my friend bought an rtx 3060 (was using rx580).
I asked “oh cool, whay new games are you gonna play?”. She said “none, I’m just gonna play the same ones”. I asked “what was wrong with the old card?” And she said “idk just felt like I need a new one.” We play games like tf2…
I just don’t get this type of behaviour. She also has like 14 pairs of sneakers.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
They’re mad they spent 1k$ on a gpu and still can’t do 4k without upscaling on the newest crapware games
kalpol@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I’m still pushing a ten year old PC with an FX-8350 and a 1060. Works fine.
Draces@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I didn’t think of my computer as old until I saw your comment with ten years and it’s gpu in the same sentence. When did that happen??
Liz@midwest.social 3 days ago
We reached the physical limits of silicon transistors. Speed is determined by transistor size (to a first approximation) and we just can’t make them any smaller without running into problems we’re essentially unable to solve thanks to physics. The next time computers get faster will involve some sort of fundamental material or architecture change. We’ve actually made fundamental changes to chip design a couple of times already, but they were “hidden” by the smooth improvement in speed/power/efficiency that they slotted into at the time.
kalpol@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I think I added the 1060 later if that helps :D
polyduekes@lemmy.world 3 days ago
WordBox@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Genuine curiosity… Why BSD?
Also… There were significant improvements with intel Sandy bridge (2xxx series) and parent is using an equivalent to that. Sandy+ (op seems to be haswell or ivy bridge) is truly the mark of -does everything-… I’ve only bothered to upgrade because of CPU hungry sim games that eat cores.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 1 day ago
Fine for what? Youtube? That cpu had poor performance even when it was released.
kalpol@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Lol what? No it didn’t. It just runs really hot.
spookedintownsville@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Same here!
spookex@lemmy.world 3 days ago
My trusty backup is still an FX8320, the main is an I7-8700k with 1070ti
kalpol@lemmy.world 2 days ago
And it keeps you warm during cold snaps!
OR3X@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I originally built my current PC back in 2016 and only just “upgraded” it last year. I put upgrade in quotes because it was literally a free motherboard and GPU my buddy no longer needed. I went from a Core i5 6600K to a Ryzen 5 5500GT and a GTX960 4GB to a GTX1070. Still plays all the games I want it to, so I have no desire to upgrade it further right now. I think part of it is I’m still using 1080P 60Hz monitors.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 days ago
I was running one from 2011 up until 2 years ago when I finally hit a wall in a game I was trying to play and had to upgrade the processor (which meant a new motherboard, which meant new everything). Prior to that I had only upgraded the GPU a couple years prior which i really didn’t need but it was a present to myself and I was able to give the old one to my brother.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
i just upgraded this year, to an r9 5900x, from my old r5 2600, still running a 1070 though.
I do video editing and more generally CPU intensive stuff on the side, as well as a lot of multitasking, so it’s worth the money, in the long run at least.
I also mostly play minecraft, and factorio, so.
ryzen 5000 is a great upgrade path for those who don’t want to buy into am5 yet. Very affordable. 7000 is not worth the money, unless you get a good deal, same for 9000, though you could justify it with a new motherboard and ram.
Snowpix@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
I’m rocking a 5800X and see no reason to go to 7000 or no 9000 anytime soon. It’s been great since I built the PC.
RBWells@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I showed this to my penultimate daughter, who coopted my (literal 2014) Dell PC, the only thing I’d ever done to it was add memory, it is a beast still. Said “look, your 4chan twin” and she cracked up. But if she does not steal it when she moves out I will probably be able to get ten more years out of it.
teije9@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
put linux on that beast and it’ll keep running new games til 2030
tyler@programming.dev 4 days ago
If people are pushing you to buy stuff, they are not friends. Do not listen to them.
Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
No, no see sir we are great friends!
Now let me tell you about this great $20,0000 Flatscreen that i get 30% commission on (welcome to bestbuy circa 2000)
(This is satire)
padge@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
I’m the one person who people go to for PC part advice, but I actually try to talk them down. Like, do you need more RAM because your experience is negatively impacted by not having enough, or do you just think you should have more just because?
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Ha, I had this exact conversation with a friend of mine a few days ago, he wants to upgrade from 16GB to 32GB and when I asked why, he just blanked out for a while and went “…because more is better, right?”
He spends most of his time playing rpg maker porn games and raid shadow legend.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Yeah, I’m with you anon. Here’s my rough upgrade path (dates are approximate):
- 2009 - built PC w/o GPU for $500, only onboard graphics; worked fine for Minecraft and Factorio
- 2014 - added GPU to play newer games (~$250)
- 2017 - build new PC (~$800; kept old GPU) because I need to compile stuff (WFH gig); old PC becomes NAS
- 2023 - new CPU, mobo, and GPU (~$600) because NAS uses way too much power since I’m now running it 24/7, and it’s just as expensive to upgrade the NAS as to upgrade the PC and downcycle
So for ~$2200, I got a PC for ~15 years and a NAS (drive costs excluded) for ~7 years. That’s less than most prebuilts, and similar to buying a console each gen. If I didn’t have a NAS, the 2023 upgrade wouldn’t have had a mobo, so it would’ve been $400 (just CPU and GPU), and the CPU would’ve been an extreme luxury (1700 -> 5600 is nice for sim games, but hardly necessary). I’m not planning any upgrades for a few years.
Yeah it’s not top of the line, but I can play every game I want to on medium or high. Current specs: Ryzen 5600, RX 6650 XT, 16GB RAM.
People say PC gaming is expensive. I say hobbies are expensive, PC gaming can be inexpensive. This is ~$150/year, that’s pretty affordable…
raker@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Almost exact same timeline, prices and specs here. Just went with the RX6600 instead after hardware became somewhat affordable again after crypto hype and COVID. Always bought the mid-lowend stuff of the then actual hardware, if upgraded wanted/needed. It’s good to read of non-highend stuff all the time though.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
I only got the 6650 because it was on sale for $200 or something, I was actually looking for the 6600 but couldn’t find a reasonable deal.
I make enough now that I don’t need to be stingy on hardware, but I honestly don’t max the hardware I have so it just seems wasteful. I probably won’t upgrade until either my NAS dies or the next AMD socket comes out (or there’s a really good deal). I don’t care about RTX, VR kinda sucks on Linux AFAIK, and I think newer AAA games kinda suck.
I’ll upgrade if I can’t play something, but my midrange system is still fine. I’m expecting no upgrades for 3-5 more years.
merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
if you had a top of the line pc in 2014 you’d be talking about a 290x/970/980 which would probably work really well for most games now.
A lot of the trending tech inflating minimum requirements nowadays are stuff like raytracing (99% of games don’t even need it) and higher FPS/resolution monitors that aren’t that relevant if you’re still pushing 1080p/60.
Hell, most games that push the envelope of minimum specs like Indiana Jones are IMO just unoptimised messes built on UE5 than legitimately out of scope of hardware from the last decade. Stuff like Ninite hasn’t delivered in enabling photorealistic asset optimisation but HAS enabled studios to cut back on artist labour in favour of throwing money at marketing.
bollybing@lemmynsfw.com 2 days ago
You have to try really hard to even notice Ray tracing in a lot of games. Well except for your fps halving, that’s pretty noticeable.
BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I built a PC in 2011 with an AMD Phenom II. Can’t remember which one, it may have been a 740. And I’m pretty sure a Radeon HD 5450 until FO4 came out in 2015 and I needed a new graphics card. Upgraded to a Radeon R7 240, and some other AM3 socketed CPU I found for like, $40 on eBay. By no means was I high end gaming over here. And it stayed that way until 2020, when I finally gutted the whole thing and started over. It ran everything I wanted to play. So I got like, 9 years out of about $600 in parts. That’s including disc drives, power supply, case, and RAM. And I’m still using the case. I got my money’s worth out of it, for sure. The whole time we were in our apartment, it was hooked up to our dumb TV. So, it was our only source of Netflix, YouTube, DVDs, and Blu-rays. It was running all the time. Then, I gave all the innards to my buddy to make his dad a PC for web browsing. It could still be going in some form, as far as I know.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I remember the 5450! I got one when wrath of the lich king dropped because my Dell integrated graphics couldn’t handle strand of the ancients. That baby got me from 2 FPS to 15. Served me until I left for school.
BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I barely remember it, which is think is a compliment because it just worked! Never had any driver issues or temperature problems, didn’t demand too much power. It just did its job until I needed something more.
GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 3 days ago
I feel this.
I went AM4 in 2017 when the AMD gave a leap forward at a reasonable price and efficiency.
Then I added a 3060 when one became available.
They’re both undervolted, and ticking along nicely.
I don’t plan to change anything until probably 2027. Heck, I’m still catching up to 2020 in my games backlog.
Brosplosion@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Doesn’t undervolting damage parts over time?
Alpha71@lemmy.world 3 days ago
no. If anything, it helps them last longer.
mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Undervolting (when done correctly) won’t damage PC parts.
Yes, it reduces the voltage supplied to the components but CPUs and GPUs are designed to operate within a specific voltage range and you keep the voltage within this range. Even if you reduce the voltage below the recommended range, the system may become unstable but this doesn’t cause damage – it simply results in crashes.
danielsan256@feddit.org 3 days ago
In what possible way? Genuinely curious 🖖🏽
Randelung@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I’m playing XCOM: The Bureau (2013) right now on an 6700K (2015). Why touch a running system. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I upgraded last year from i7-4700k to i7-12700k and from GTX 750Ti to RTX 3060Ti, because 8 threads and 2GB of vram was finally not enough for modern games. And my old machine still runs as a home server.
The jump was huge and I hope I’ll have money to upgrade sooner this time, but if needed I can totally see that my current machine will work just fine in 6-8 years.
Juice@midwest.social 3 days ago
I buy old electronics for 1/10 of what new stuff costs, install Linux or Foss os, keep it for years without problems until hard drive goes
I don’t game on PC but neither do a lot of people who pay $2500 for a laptop, people who inevitably call me for tech help for basic shit.
What’s the point? I’d rather have the commons than like a mountain of consumer goods that all suck and are getting worse.
SleafordMod@feddit.uk 3 days ago
For me the most important reason to upgrade things is security updates. E.g. if you have an old smartphone it might not get security updates anymore.
Some people don’t seem to care, but I get paranoid about hackers breaking into my phone in some way.
ICastFist@programming.dev 3 days ago
Phones suffer a lot from forced obsolescence. More often than not, the hardware is fine, but the OEM abandons it because “lol fuck you, buy new shit”. Anyone that says that a Samsung S7 “can’t handle current apps” is out of their mind
Other than camera and software, there’s hardly any reason to buy new phones over flagships from some years ago.
raker@lemmy.world 3 days ago
This. My mobile is over 6 years old. Security updates till 2022, but I don’t even mind sec updates. What concerns me more is buy-a-new-phone-every-year-because-reasons, because buy new shit and spybloatware. Skynet is the virus. My old one runs perfectly fine and I buy a new one if it is broken. Even critical apps like banking doing fine. It’s not like the whole architecture of the OS changes yearly, right?
SleafordMod@feddit.uk 2 days ago
True. For my next phone I’m looking at how long security updates are promised for, so I can get something with long-term support.
HelluvaKick@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I will drive the 1660 Super until the wheels fall off
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I tend to flip my RAM out every 3-5 years and notice a significant improvement in performance. Other than that, though…
Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 days ago
Still on a 1060 here. Sure, it’s too slow for anything from the PS5 era, but that’s what my PS5 is for.
It does have a 1 in 4 chance of bluescreening when I quit FFXIV, but I don’t know what’s causing that. Running it at 100% doesn’t seem to crash it, possibly something about the drivers not freeing shit properly, I dunno.
CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 2 days ago
The experience of playing modern games on a modern AAA “high end” PC is obviously going to be better if you care about things like ray-tracing and high framerates or resolution. You can’t really dispute that.
But it would be stupid to say you’re wrong if you just want to play that same game on your system if it actually runs. If the game is playable and you’re having fun, you’re doing it correctly.
I only upgrade when I start to see multiple games a year that just straight up don’t work on my computer.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 8 hours ago
4770/1060 gang over here. Upgrading to a free 9600 this weekend.