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How to clean a rescued pigeon

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Submitted ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨sjmarf@sh.itjust.works⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • RagnarokOnline@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    lol, definitely missed some important context.

    I guess it thought OOP meant “clean” as in how do you dress the bird before you cook it. (As in: “clean a fish” means to filet a fish and prep it for cooking.)

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    • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I rarely remove the label from the fish I catch.

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      • bassomitron@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well obviously not for fish. Sounds like someone’s never bought fresh pigeons from the grocery store, smh.

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      • Zombiepirate@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s actually illegal to cut those off.

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    • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nobody ask it how to dress a baby

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      • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Vegtables, garlic, basted with pan drippings.

        Side of potatoes.

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      • Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Swiftly

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      • bluewing@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        First you snap a shoulder socket…

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    • huginn@feddit.it ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Even then those are bad cleaning instructions…

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    • jaybone@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But first it said they are usually clean. So that can’t be the context. If there was a context. But there is no context because AI is fucking stupid and all these c-suite assholes pushing it like their last bowel movement will be eating crow off of their golden parakeet about two years from now when all this nonsense finally goes away and the new shiny thing is flashing around.

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      • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There are signs of three distinct interpretations in the result:

        • On topic, the concept of cleaning a wild bird you are trying to save
        • Preparing a store bought Turkey (removing a label)
        • Preparing a wild bird that is caught

        It’s actually a pretty good illustration of how AI assembles “information shaped text” and how smooth it can look and yet how dumb it can be about it. Unfortunately advocates will just say “I can’t get this specific thing wrong when I ask it or another LLM, so there’s no problem”, even as it gets other stuff wrong. It’s weird as you better be able to second guess the result, meaning you can never be confident in an answer you didn’t already know, but when that’s the case, it’s not that great for factual stuff.

        For “doesn’t matter” content, it may do fine (generated alternatives to stock photography, silly meme pictures, random prattle from background NPCs in a game), but for “stuff that maters”, Generative AI is frequently more of a headache than a help.

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    • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A: Just rescued a bird B: Oh, can I see it? A: Sorry, already ate it yesterday

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    • Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It literally doesn’t matter. When the most-used search engine on the planet automatically suggests these specific actions without you even clicking on a specific site? We’re fucked. We had the chance to break up monopolies like Google, Microsoft and Facebook. We didn’t take it…

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      • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No WE never had this option.

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    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What the fuck are you talking about? Stop apologizing for AI, you clown.

      Do you remove the “label” in step one of cleaning a fish? Please, tell us all where that is.

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      • RagnarokOnline@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Wut?

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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    • RecallMadness@lemmy.nz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Just a few more billion dollars .

      We’re so close!

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      • tabris@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Just a bit more rainforest, no one will notice.

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      • datelmd5sum@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        IIRC you need double the compute for 10% improvement in a model and they’ve already computed quite a bit.

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    • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do the search yourself you’ll see that you get a better answer.

      Question: How to clean a rescued pidgeon

      ChatGPT Cleaning a rescued pigeon should be done carefully to avoid stressing or harming the bird. Here’s a step-by-step guide to help you:

      1. Assess the Pigeon’s Condition Check for injuries: If the pigeon is injured, weak, or sick, it’s best to seek veterinary help before attempting to clean it. Observe behavior: If the pigeon is acting stressed or aggressive, you may need to wait until it calms down.
      2. Prepare the Cleaning Area Warm water: Fill a basin or sink with lukewarm water, not hot or cold. Mild soap: Use a gentle soap or baby shampoo without strong fragrances or chemicals. Towels: Have clean towels ready for drying the pigeon afterward.
      3. Handling the Pigeon Safely Wear gloves: This can protect both you and the bird. Secure hold: Hold the pigeon gently but firmly. Support its body with one hand and keep its wings close to its body to prevent flapping.
      4. Cleaning the Pigeon Partial cleaning: Focus on specific dirty areas rather than submerging the whole bird if possible. Use a damp cloth: For lightly soiled areas, use a damp cloth or sponge to wipe the feathers gently. Bath for heavier dirt: If a full wash is needed, place the pigeon in the water up to its chest. Avoid getting its head and neck wet unless absolutely necessary.
      5. Rinsing Rinse thoroughly: If you used soap, make sure to rinse all of it out of the feathers using clean, lukewarm water. Avoid the face: Be careful not to get water in the pigeon’s eyes, nose, or ears.
      6. Drying the Pigeon Pat dry: Gently pat the pigeon with a towel to remove excess water. Avoid rubbing as it could damage the feathers. Warm place: Keep the pigeon in a warm, draft-free area until it is completely dry. You can use a hairdryer on the lowest setting if the pigeon tolerates it, but keep it at a safe distance to avoid overheating.
      7. Post-Cleaning Care Observe behavior: Watch the pigeon for signs of stress or discomfort after the bath. Provide food and water: Ensure the pigeon has access to fresh water and a safe, comfortable place to rest. Additional Tips Do not use strong disinfectants or chemicals that can harm the bird’s sensitive skin and feathers. Limit baths to when absolutely necessary, as frequent cleaning can strip the natural oils from the pigeon’s feathers. If the pigeon seems injured or unwell, contact a wildlife rescue center or avian veterinarian for guidance.
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      • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        it’s still a crapshoot and therefore useless.

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      • babybus@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But Google doesn’t use chatgpt.

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      • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Unsurprising that GPT is better given that OpenAI has been working on it and training it for ages and the MS partnership made every other big boy feel the need to rush some garbage model to market

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  • PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I like the idea that these are scientist-monitored birds that you remove the tag from before dressing and eating.

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    • Gork@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It would make an interesting footnote in the scientific article that had this pigeon in the experiment.

      “1 This pigeon was removed from the experiment as it was eaten by a local Florida Man.”

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      • PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “Subject study terminated due to invasive anthropomorphic predator.”

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    • rockstarmode@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This actually happens very frequently. When hunters harvest a bird they report their kills in compliance with hunting regulations. If any of your birds have leg or neck bands you report that information as well. The bands have a tracking number on them, and scientists use them to monitor populations and migration patterns. It’s literally part of their plan.

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  • stupidcasey@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is a perfectly logical answer to a hunter.

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    • chetradley@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “Remove the label”

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      • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This guy still thinks birds are real.

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      • Frostbeard@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The bad hunter who misses all the shots and buys the fowl in the market

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      • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You don’t want those wildlife conservationists trackimg things back to you later on.

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      • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        One can assume that said AI is a confused moron, or that poaching is a legal crime, not a moral one XD

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  • UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Got this result today

    Thanks Google

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    • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Technically, it’s not wrong.

      It’s also not helpful, but it’s not wrong.

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      • Jumi@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But isn’t it wrong? I don’t think something coming next can be already in the past or am I wrong?

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      • howrar@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It is wrong because the highlighted portion of the excerpt is supposed to directly answer the question. This one doesn’t.

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    • toddestan@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s not actually wrong, but it certainly didn’t answer the actual question.

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      • MenacingPerson@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What if they asked the question during the day, then it would be correct

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m going to build a bunch of cyborgs, who follow orders exclusively via googleAI.

    I figure once I release about 4 billion of them into the world, either google stops doing evil shit, or they do REALLY evil shit. We shall see what happens…

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    • mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is kind of an Interesting idea: what does “statistical average morality” look like when it’s got a 3m tall power frame and a handheld howitzer?

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  • ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you asked me to clean a bird, this is exactly what I would think of. Though usually it involves removing lead shot, not labels.

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    • Qwazpoi@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think it took note of it being about rescue pigeons and assumed they would have a tag on them and then gave cooking directions for them

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That is the culinary answer for the question.

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  • Stomata@buddyverse.one ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is it telling steps to cook it

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    • Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well yeah, you have to clean it first.

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pigeon = edible bird

    Cleaning a bird > preparing a bird after killing it (hunting term)

    AI figured the “rescued” part was either a mistake or that the person wanted to eat a bird they rescued

    If you make a research for “how to clean a dirty bird” you give it better context

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    • DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The context is clear to a human. If an LLM is giving advice to everybody who asks a question in Google, it needs to do a much better job at giving responses or its being irresponsibly offered by Google.

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      • desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Nah, the ai did a great job. People need to assume murder/hunting is the default more often.

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    • HighlyRegardedArtist@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Or, hear me out, there was NO figuring of any kind, just some magic LLM autocomplete bullshit. How hard is this to understand?

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      • WldFyre@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s a turn of phrase lol

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      • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You say this like human “figuring” isn’t some “autocomplete bullshit”.

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    • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I like how you’re making excuses for something that it is very clear on context. I thought AI was great at picking up context?

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      • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t think they are really “making excuses”, just explaining how the search came up with those steps, which what the OP is so confused about.

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      • lunarul@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I thought AI was great at picking up context?

        I don’t know why you thought that. LLMs split your question into separate words and assigns scores to those words, then looks up answers relevant to those words. It has no idea of how those words are relevant to each other. That’s why LLMs couldn’t answer how many "r"s are in “strawberry”. They assigned the word “strawberry” a lower relevancy score in that question. The word “rescue” is probably treated the same way here.

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    • superkret@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “You’re holding it wrong”

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    • huginn@feddit.it ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Let me take the tag off my bird then snap it’s wings back together

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    • jaybone@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But it said pigeons are usually clean.

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      • bluewing@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Bought in a grocery store - see squab - they are usually clean and prepped for cooking. So while the de-boning instructions were not good, the AI wasn’t technically wrong.

        But while a human can make the same mistake and many here just assume the question was about how to wash a rescued pigeon - maybe that’s not the original intent - what human can do that AI cannot is to ask for clarification to the original question and intent of the question. We do this kind of thing every day.

        At the very best, AI can only supply multiple different answers if a poorly worded question is asked or it misunderstands something in the original question, (they seem to be very bad at even that or simply can’t do it at all). And we would need to be able to choose the correct answer from several provided.

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  • Vespair@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Fun time to remind everyone that pigeons aren’t native to the Americas, and were brought over originally by the French primarily as a food source (although also as messengers; carrier pigeons).

    “Squab” on a menu is pigeon.

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  • AlexDrago@ani.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pigeons are drones (confirmed)

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  • EtherWhack@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean, if they were actually “clean” and had a healthy diet compared to what they eat in urban areas, they could make an awesome protein source for the budget minded.

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    • WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not they could. They do. You can buy squab in restaurants. Maybe stores but none I’ve seen.

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      • EtherWhack@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Though, you wouldn’t want to eat one you “recovered” from an urban area that’s had an unknown diet due to all the toxins it may have accumulated in its body.

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    • Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You theoretically could, but small birds like that have very little meat on their bones. Most hunt duck or turkey for a reason, the bigger birds have more meat.

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      • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You eat breasts.

        Most people I know who hunt pigeons just take the breasts (“breasting pigeon”) and bin the rest as it is not worth a hassle. Unlike turkey, you obviously need more than one pigeon for a meal unless you use it as a starter.

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  • WrenFeathers@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s all fun and games until someone gets hurt. They need to pull the plug on this shit and stop beta testing misinformation.

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  • leadore@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “snap to join” Ah, now it makes sense.

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  • Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Rescued and into the oven🤦

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  • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I find it hilarious that my personal AI, that can run on even a budget gaming PC, is far more reliable than most of these corporate ones 100x the size

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  • madjo@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Perplexity fairs a bit better:

    perplexity.ai/…/how-to-clean-a-rescued-pigeon-RVN…

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Be more specific with the question.

    “How do I wash a pigeon”

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  • Matriks404@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How do you get these AI an answers anyway?

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    • sjmarf@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Google may not have enabled them in your region. Here in the UK they just appeared for me one day, a few months after I initially saw screenshots of them online. I didn’t do anything to enable them.

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  • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Beware folks, Ai WiLl TaKE yEr JoOOoObS

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    • Thorry84@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      AI will take jobs when the shareholders think it will make them more money. This has very little if not nothing to do with how good said AI is at the job.

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      • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Good. Hopefully the stock market will die before humanity does. A company with the only goal to make money, is not sustainable.

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    • Mesophar@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Eventually, it will. Because even with janky responses like that one, corporations will try to cost save everywhere they can. Is AI at the point where it will happen this year? Hell no! But don’t think it isn’t the direction they are trying to take it.

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  • peopleproblems@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Don’t worry y’all AI will take r jerbs

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  • plactagonic@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    For few years now I want to try eating pigeon so this answer might be useful for me.

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  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just did the same question. Answer given to me was vastly different:

    Me:

    How to clean a rescued pidgeon

    ChatGPT:

    Cleaning a rescued pigeon should be done carefully to avoid stressing or harming the bird. Here’s a step-by-step guide to help you:

    1. Assess the Pigeon’s Condition

    • Check for injuries: If the pigeon is injured, weak, or sick, it’s best to seek veterinary help before attempting to clean it.
    • Observe behavior: If the pigeon is acting stressed or aggressive, you may need to wait until it calms down.

    2. Prepare the Cleaning Area

    • Warm water: Fill a basin or sink with lukewarm water, not hot or cold.
    • Mild soap: Use a gentle soap or baby shampoo without strong fragrances or chemicals.
    • Towels: Have clean towels ready for drying the pigeon afterward.

    3. Handling the Pigeon Safely

    • Wear gloves: This can protect both you and the bird.
    • Secure hold: Hold the pigeon gently but firmly. Support its body with one hand and keep its wings close to its body to prevent flapping.

    4. Cleaning the Pigeon

    • Partial cleaning: Focus on specific dirty areas rather than submerging the whole bird if possible.
    • Use a damp cloth: For lightly soiled areas, use a damp cloth or sponge to wipe the feathers gently.
    • Bath for heavier dirt: If a full wash is needed, place the pigeon in the water up to its chest. Avoid getting its head and neck wet unless absolutely necessary.

    5. Rinsing

    • Rinse thoroughly: If you used soap, make sure to rinse all of it out of the feathers using clean, lukewarm water.
    • Avoid the face: Be careful not to get water in the pigeon’s eyes, nose, or ears.

    6. Drying the Pigeon

    • Pat dry: Gently pat the pigeon with a towel to remove excess water. Avoid rubbing as it could damage the feathers.
    • Warm place: Keep the pigeon in a warm, draft-free area until it is completely dry. You can use a hairdryer on the lowest setting if the pigeon tolerates it, but keep it at a safe distance to avoid overheating.

    7. Post-Cleaning Care

    • Observe behavior: Watch the pigeon for signs of stress or discomfort after the bath.
    • Provide food and water: Ensure the pigeon has access to fresh water and a safe, comfortable place to rest.

    Additional Tips

    • Do not use strong disinfectants or chemicals that can harm the bird’s sensitive skin and feathers.
    • Limit baths to when absolutely necessary, as frequent cleaning can strip the natural oils from the pigeon’s feathers.

    If the pigeon seems injured or unwell, contact a wildlife rescue center or avian veterinarian for guidance.

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    • PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Looks like ChatGPT trained their models better, probably before sites could take measures to prevent that. Gemini however was thrown together by throwing money and people at the problem in order to catch up and not be left behind. Which from what I’ve read seems to be their biggest fear.

      My Pixel 9 has AI everywhere but I certainly wouldn’t pay the price they want to continue “using” Gemini after my trial.

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      • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Public free chatbots go up and down. Until recently I was finding Microsoft copilot to give the best answers. But they downgraded it recently, probably to much cost to keep it at that level, and now I’m finding openAI direct website to give best results… for now.

        I just hope for a good enough self hosted model to be available before all the comercial ones shut up over a paywall/adwall for good (which is definitely coming sooner than later).

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  • IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Meh, pretty easy mistake of context.

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    • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean, not one a human would ever make.

      First off, the word “rescued” would have immediately made the context of “protect the pigeon” clear.

      Second, a “rescued pigeon” wouldn’t have a label on it, so it’s clearly mixing in something from likely a store bought turkey, but then the other steps don’t make sense either as those don’t apply either.

      A traditional search approach would not have made the mistake either. It would either have failed to find anything or found actual on topic results. It’s “clever” enough to genericize “pigeon” to “birds” and hit upon text related to birds from a grocery store and birds that you hunted and mix all that together in a coherent language but with content that is nonsense.

      In this case, hilarious, in other day to day situations, it’s maddening, as some professional colleague gets the same sort of nonsense but lacks knowledge to correct it and relays it as fact. Then when called out on the data was in fact so bad it wasted time, they just say ‘oh, lol, AI’ (they wanted to take credit for it if it worked, but can hide behind AI when it doesn’t).

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  • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They taste a lot like beef.

    You take the breasts and fry them on olive oil with a little bit of garlic and soy sauce. Delicious.

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  • TheRisingApe@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bro, do you even squab?

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  • Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Free range pigeon quality

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  • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I wanted to clean the toothpaste off him, but as soon as he saw me reading these instructions, he flew away. Thanks, Obama.

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