There’s literally enough in my PC backlog for the rest of my life probably, don’t need another new console, game or graphics card, ever.
PS6 and Xbox Project Helix "will start at a 50% higher price" than PS5 and Xbox Series X, predict analysts following Sony price hike – and $999 "is not impossible"
Submitted 2 weeks ago by commander@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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etherphon@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I pray for immaculate memtests on us all for all eternity.
etherphon@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
🙏
hayvan@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Seriously, anything after 2015 has perfect graphics, I don’t need slightly more realistic hair or whatever. Even a lot of 2010 is enjoyable. And this is only about graphics quality. For gameplay, story etc, you know shit actually matters, there already is way more than I can play.
solok333777@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Playing games in the modern era for better graphics is like watching the latest movie because it used a really cool high tech camera.
You should play new games for the artistry and quality of gameplay, story, and other elements, same as ever.
But that doesnt mean new games have no value. You’re just fighting against a straw man to begin with.
Eggyhead@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As a long time PS customer, the Steam Deck has been probably the smartest/luckiest impulse purchase I’ve made. I used to not have a PC backlog, but now I own a PC port of pretty much all my favorite console games PS4 and backwards, among others, and the majority of those purchases have fallen under the “might-as-well-at-that-price” category of expense. I’ve been playing on Deck nearly every day since I got it and have only scratched the surface of library I’ve built since buying it.
tomkatt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“might-as-well-at-that-price”
The reason I have 130 games installed on my Steam Deck. My backlog has gotten absurd to the point of comedy. I’m set for years.
Havoc8154@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Between Humble Bundles and Fanatical I’ve got more games than I can play in a year for less than a single new release. It’s amazing.
datavoid@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Famous last words, now your RAM and GPU are going to fail
etherphon@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve got like 30 years worth of PC parts laying around, I’m sure I can cobble something together 😁 sometimes it pays to be a packrat.
GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have literally never in my life bought the next generation console because I had run out of games that I was planning to play on the current generation, and my first console was a NES. I’m not sure how concerned game companies are with the upgrade demographic as opposed to the “I’d like to buy a new console” demographic, but if everyone bought new consoles the way I do, the industry would have crashed back in the 90s.
etherphon@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Been about the same here as well, I mean to me graphics have been good enough since like PS2 since I started with a Commodore 64, so everything else has just been icing on the cake. I never really got into online gaming either so that was never a draw. I suppose I see gaming as something like a momentary escape, so I prefer games with colorful, fantastic graphics and not necessarily photo realistic renders, so the constant push for more polygons has largely been not so important for me.
baines@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
take of path of exile, warframe, and/or guild wars and just never buy a ‘new’ game again
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Haha ok buddy, can’t wait to see you picking about why millennials hate game consoles or whatever when launch sales numbers are rightly in the shitter
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You…
You think they care?
They want people streaming games to phones/TVs and paying by the hour.
Not subsidizing console sales anymore will make cloud gaming seem more attractive, and that’s where the most money is at
ceenote@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Looking forward to indie developers who actually want their games to sell optimizing them for older, more reasonably priced hardware.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Google couldn’t make cloud gaming work when the entire world was stuck inside with a sudden desire to play more video games. They were given an underhand toss for the best possible scenario to get cloud gaming off the ground, and it didn’t take. The math doesn’t work out.
yesman@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Conspiracy theories are a trick by big Dumb to make people think less.
Ephera@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Yeah, feels like the correct move here would be to hold off with the next generation, if you can’t get enough of a performance jump without increasing prices. Otherwise you’re just offering a premium edition.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Well, here I was thinking that Steam Machine had priced itself out of the market, but it sounds like it’s gonna end up having parity with PS6 anyhow
SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Next-gen consoles are rumored to be around a 5080 in terms of performance. With 32GB of unified ram, $1000 would be a good deal for that level of performance. If Microsoft added the ability to run windows on it, that would be a pretty compelling package.
Hopefully things will get better, but with ram prices where they are the steam machine would probably need to be $900 if it launched today without being subsidized by valve and is around the performance of a base PS5.
I hate to say it but consoles may be the better deal next-gen.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You speak with an awful lot of authority for someone who is just making stuff up.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I thought nobody knows the specs for it yet?
irish_link@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Okay, I guess it’s PC then.
DrCake@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Stares at RAM and GPU prices
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
laughs in old ebay acquisitions and retro games
webhead@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t forget storage prices now too and not just NVMe drives. I can’t wait for this AI hoarding to finally fucking crash. It’s like the mining shit we had with GPUs in steroids. Ugh.
markz@suppo.fi 2 weeks ago
You don’t have to play current gen AAA games. They are crazy expensive anyway.
LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
PS5 was too much day one at £400 and it’s only gone up since. What happened to the days of sub-£200 consoles later in their lifespan?
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
AI datacenters and greed.
BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think the problem might sort itself out once the data centers are actually built. The impact from maintaining a data center is probably less than from actually building one.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We’re also losing the ability to shrink our transistors at this point, so the things that made old tech cheaper before don’t really apply anymore.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Capitalism
gasgiant@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This is becoming my default position for so many things now it’s ridiculous.
wuffah@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
noname_no_worries@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean pc parts aren’t cheap either…
utjebe@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
However your options are much better when you’re building a PC with a $1000 budget.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
But it is possible to pick up a cheap used office PC off ebay and stick a GPU in it, which would let someone play almost any game on the market for much less than a console.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Maybe we’re not quite there yet but I got some dice and miniatures that don’t need ram or internet…
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Flash games should run on a pi zero, not sure about modern browser gaming.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We won’t be “there” for a while hopefully (short of a grid-destroying crisis but we’ll have far bigger problems then and no time for gaming anyway) but some off-screen time is good for our health (and less use of electronics makes them last longer).
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My Xbox One was not worth $500 at all, ever during its lifespan. My Series X is solely a 360 Pro. I think I’m done with these. How the mighty have fallen.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Just gonna throw this out there; If you’ve never had a Nintendo Wii, I’d genuinely recommend picking one up and modding it.
My last console was a PS3, after that I went exclusively PC. I’d always written off the Wii as a gimmick, but after taking a closer look at its library, it’s actually surprisingly packed with good titles, and the motion controls are actually a pretty unique way to interact with games. I picked one up a few months ago off ebay, and even with a Wii balance board, it was less than $80. Modding it was extremely easy, and after it’s done, I was amazing to find that after it connects to wifi, you have access to an online homebrew store full of emulators and cool little homebrew games that download and install with a single click.
That means the console has access to:
- The entire Wii library (Including modern light-gun game ports and original titles, plus Wii fit with the balance board, which is actually really fun)
- All gamecube games with the Nintendont emulator (best paired with either a gamecube controller or the Wii Classic controller)
- Pretty much every retro console such as SNES, Genesis, GB, GBC, GBA, etc with emulators
- The highlights of the N64 and NeoGeo thanks to being ported to the Virtual Console
All for less than $100. It’s an absolute gem of a console, especially when paired with sailing the high seas, and has quickly become my favorite of all time. I sold every other console I’ve ever owned, but I suspect I’ll be keeping the Wii for the foreseeable future.
DacoTaco@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As somebody who manages a piece of software often used in wii modding: ye, do it! Mod a wii :p
But seriously, the ps3/wii/x360 were the last gen where the hardware design was rather simple and easy to understand, making it fun to play with and learn. The wiiu ended up with a bootrom making it harder and way more complex to run your own stuff on it ( outside of wii-mode and non-system menu stuff ). Then the switch was a whole new level (and we got lucky there with the bootrom exploit).
Switch added secure bootrom, executable validation, firmware blobs, no-execute memory flags, dedicated crypto hardware in cpu with it’s own firmware, …
Even if you had raw access you still needed to implement some stuff just get hardware even going.ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Xbox Series S is also great for modding too.
tomkatt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
$999 “is not impossible”
At that price, just by a fucking computer already.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Not anymore. Same thing’s driving prices on both sides.
Ram is short Storage is short Video ram is shorter
The newest consoles outside the switch are just pc’s with different opperating systems.
I bet the next big thing to be released is a ps6-lite for $399 that’s just a terminal with a $50 a month rental fee to a cloud gaming provider, game licenses not included.
yakko@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
They know that by the time they release, a gaming pc will cost twice as much.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Can’t slowly upgrade a PS5 into a PS6 though.
You can on PC.
TotalCourage007@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’d rather find an android device than buy a next gen console. These things are DOA if they are over $1k. Going to be wild if Linux paves the way for modern gaming.
Jaeger86@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well this may be the final push for me to stop getting new consoles and fully switch to my pc and steamdeck with a little bit of switch on the side
lemmyng@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Me, except at this point my PC will be a Steam Machine with Steam Deck, and Switch 2 on the side.
Doodz@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I guess the bigger question that comes from this, is do I go with a Steamdeck or with a Legion 2?
A follow up would be, do I wait for the Steamdeck 2
Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you’re looking into that, it might be worth considering some of the Android portable like the AYN Thor.
While they are usually focused on console emulation, on the more powerful units you can run older windows titles on them via emulation as well as any native android stuff you feel like running. The battery life of anything ARM beats the hell out of anything x86. There are also form factors available worlds better than the Legion or Steamdeck if you actually want something you can carry around in a pocket.
The aforementioned AYN Thor is about the size and form factor of a 3DS and retails for $250 for the cheapest model. So if you’re looking for something to tide you over until you can get a full gaming PC/Gabecube/Steamdeck 2, it might be better “half measure” than a Legion or Steamdeck.
Skv@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Legion for the mouse integration alone, IMO.
llii@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I guess it’s finally time to tackle my backlog.
Personally I don’t need better graphics, PS4/PS5 level is already great. Developers can do pretty much everything they can imagine.
I’m for cheaper, more accessible hardware.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
I wonder who they’re trying to sell these to
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Where are salaries the same? With your jlai.lu domain I would’ve thought you’re French, in which case they haven’t really doubled since France was already a well-off western nation, but close enough
Now in a country like mine, things are different. From 300-400 EUR per month average in 2001 (minimum being even lower), to over 2000 in 2025 (pre-tax numbers here, the French ones in the graph are post-tax). The new generation consoles are far more affordable even with their current price hike because you don’t have to save up for years to buy one and then save up several months to buy a single game.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
It’s true, minimum wage seems to have doubled : la-paie-facile.com/evolution-smic/ I should have looked this up
tal@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
That’d be quite high compared to historical inflation-adjusted launch prices.
visualcapitalist.com/game-console-launch-prices-a…
Game Console Launch Prices Adjusted for Inflation (1975-2024)
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Weren’t Saturn and PS1 the same price at release? Or am I misremembering
JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
May as well give it 9999 HP , wasnt buying it anyway but would even consider it at those prices.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean…those are not prices the market will pay so I guess rip console market?
kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
This decision coming on the back of the Switch 2 sales suffering is certainly one of the decisions of all time.
tal@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
searches
ign.com/…/nintendo-switch-2-production-cut-33-fol…
Nintendo Switch 2 Production Cut 33% Following Weak Holiday Sales, Report Claims
Nintendo has reportedly cut back on manufacturing Switch 2 consoles following weaker than expected holiday sales for the console.
That’s according to Bloomberg, whose sources say Nintendo now expects to make 4 million Switch 2 units this quarter, down 33% on the 6 million it previously planned to manufacture.
Nintendo recently confirmed it had sold fewer Switch 2 consoles internationally over the holiday period than it had once hoped, particularly in the U.S. — though the impact of this had also been dulled somewhat by stronger sales in its homeland of Japan.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know the topic is prices increasing due to scarcity of parts, but Nintendo should have expected exactly that outcome when they started subsidising the Japan-only consoles with higher prices elsewhere…
DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We must be reaching a plateau in terms of generational leaps in between consoles. Though I love the PS5 it’s not a huge jump from PS4, just slightly better graphics and better frame rates. As things stand, I can’t see a need to upgrade for years. PS5 it’s only 6 years old. It’s easily got another 6, maybe 10 years in it.
tomkatt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve been complaining that the consoles and graphical fidelity have been seeing diminishing returns since the PS3 / Xbox 360. At this point, we’re just pushing way more power for minimal improvements. It’s stupid.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It’s amazing to see what they squeezed out of the PS3 and Xbox 360 towards the end of their life compared to the launch titles. It feels like there was not much of an improvement over the life span of the PS4. The PS5 has ray tracing, but apart from that it doesn’t look much different from the PS4. I suppose framerates are higher now.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yeah for sure, “better” from here on out will have to involve better features.
BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I had the same opinion, but it changed after playing Doom (2016, Xbox One) and Doom Eternal (2020, Xbox Series X) back to back. The difference was dramatic.
I still believe we are reaching a point where Moore’s law is hitting a fundamental limit, but only time will tell how things will pan out. My guess is that consoles will need to get bigger to get better.
devolution@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The second video game crash…
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Im hoping independent developers fill the void. Honestly they already are. Haven’t the last couple of big sellers been FAR from AAA?
tal@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I seriously wonder if they’d be better off just deferring the next console generation until 2028.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There was 9 years between the release of the 360 and the Xbox One. Might was well do the same thing this generation.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
All this to play PS4 Remasters on one and PC games on the other
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Didnt xbox say they are quitting the hardware side of things?
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
No, they said it would run PC games.
Whether that means Steam remains to be seen.
emb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hope they know, you don’t have to launch a console every half dozen years. Could just hold off and y’know, not for a while. A long while.
I know it’s because I’m getting old, but it seems like PS5 just came out. But part of it too is diminishing returns on tech advances. The difference is more and more negligible every gen. And that’s for AAA; for most developers on real-world budgets, I doubt many are even hitting console power bottlenecks.
tal@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
en.wikipedia.org/…/Ninth_generation_of_video_game…
The ninth generation of video game consoles began in November 2020 with the releases of Microsoft’s Xbox Series X and Series S console family and Sony’s PlayStation 5.[1][2][3]
The duration from the eighth generation until the start of the ninth was one of the longest in history, having started in 2012 with the release of Nintendo’s Wii U. Past generations typically had five-year windows as a result of Moore’s law,[10] but Microsoft and Sony instead launched mid-console redesigns, the Xbox One X and PlayStation 4 Pro.[11] Microsoft also launched a monthly console lease program, with the option to buy or upgrade.[12] Some analysts believed these factors signaled the first major shift away from the idea of console generations because the potential technical gains of new hardware had become nominal.[13]
The eighth generation video game console period ran for about eight years, so there’d be precedent for the ninth generation consoles to do the same, which would take us to 2028.
Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No.
billwashere@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I will not pay $1000 for a console alone. I would buy a gaming PC for 4x that first. And I’m exactly their target market.
titanicx@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Keeping my Xbox X as long as it runs. It took me until 2 years ago to spend the money on this one
orioler25@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I am still kinda surprised Xbox is still doing hardware at all
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 weeks ago
Maybe the Gabecube will launch with a “console price” after all.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m kinda hoping valve waits for component costs to calm down before releasing it - otherwise I could see the price making it DOA.
Eggyhead@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I imagine it won’t do console numbers, but I’m sure there will be enough fans and early adopters to justify the added expense of a 2026 launch,l. However, I’d like to think the popularity will grow organically as the system gets older and prices start dropping again.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I want them to at least wait for these next gen consoles to drop because I think a lot of people are still in denial.