orioler25
@orioler25@lemmy.world
- Comment on 103°F in Los Angeles all week 2 weeks ago:
you guys are seriously gonna throw g-maw under the bus before you adopt systemic criticisms
- Comment on Mental health professionals rarely allow you to talk about the socioeconomic factors too 2 weeks ago:
I do think it’s a bot. My grandmother used to love collecting sources that disputed the hereditary qualities of autism, could you find me a bunch of sources like she used to?
- Comment on Mental health professionals rarely allow you to talk about the socioeconomic factors too 2 weeks ago:
Right… which is why cancer isn’t hereditary (it often is highly effected by genetics), because all humans can potentially experience it, and as we all know, people are genetically incompatible along the lines of the 12 tribes of Israel.
What the fuck do you actually think you’re saying? I feel like I just came across some like, gestated Facebook conspiracy theory rn.
- Comment on Mental health professionals rarely allow you to talk about the socioeconomic factors too 2 weeks ago:
This is some echochamber shit for real, I don’t even know what this is meant to reference from my comments.
“I’m not a eugenicist because I use ‘race’ and ‘genetics’ synonymously to suggest that autism isn’t hereditary,” is a hyper-level of self-validating reasoning, so much that I’m seriously unsure if this is an AI that just read “eugenics,” and inadvertently plugged the idea that race is like, a natural thing. “Disabled,” also doesn’t just mean “autistic,” but at this point who knows what the fuck you think you’re saying.
To anyone else who comes across this, is this a not?
- Comment on Mental health professionals rarely allow you to talk about the socioeconomic factors too 2 weeks ago:
Well, that was just about the most liberal dreck I’ve ever seen.
No, I’m using it the way political philosophers use it, which is to refer to a specific system oriented around capitalism and individualism that emerged through European imperialism and settler-colonialism.
Neoliberalism is a useful term if you care about all that intellectual (🤮) nonsense though, which you don’t seem to. Unless of course, you’re about to tell me about some amazing scholarship you read to form this opinion of “yours.” I mean, you know the Latin and everything and that’s like, most of the stuff.
- Comment on Mental health professionals rarely allow you to talk about the socioeconomic factors too 2 weeks ago:
Bud, Canada has that, it’s called Medical Assistance in Dying and it is literally functions as a eugenics tool since disabled people opt for it because of the insufficient social welfare support for them.
Liberalism is capitalism, BTW, despite colloquial uses of the word “liberal.” MAID was seen as “progressive,” (often synonymous with “liberal”) and its stated principles are not consistent with its function under a liberal system because that system is antithetical to valuing human life.
- Comment on Tin foil not needed 2 weeks ago:
When was it?
- Comment on Mental health professionals rarely allow you to talk about the socioeconomic factors too 2 weeks ago:
It is no coincidence that increased recognition for mental health conditions coincided with the gradual neoliberalization of the metropole; medicalized suicide attributes the injuries of capitalism to the body, not the system.
- Comment on Future is going swell... 2 weeks ago:
I do find it interesting how you people are willing to accept that corporations have a tremendous amount of power over the internet content they consume, but do not consider if their apathy or despair is indeed an intended consequence of what they are shown.
- Comment on POV 2 weeks ago:
No, more gently telling you that you didn’t realize something you said was contradictory, and using that to show that you don’t know enough about this to be trying to speak like an authority.
- Comment on Pain 2 weeks ago:
Oh good 😅 they just scream and cry.
- Comment on Pain 2 weeks ago:
If only. Unfortunately, I am cursed with a social life and obligations, emails, and income taxes like all of the other poor rubes. If only I hated women more, I could have lived outside of this cruel society 😔
- Comment on Pain 2 weeks ago:
One: the reality of our world is that we are in a patriarchy with cultural norms conducive to patriarchy, and the overwhelming majority of rapists are men, who also happen to be privileged within rape culture.
Two: Consent isn’t gendered, and you’ll note (if you can muster up the courage to read my comments) I do say very explicitly multiple times that this is also expected of women.
Three: if you’re going to dump the incel all over, put down a sign at the very least.
- Comment on Pain 2 weeks ago:
Done gooning to shellfish allergies, I see.
- Comment on POV 2 weeks ago:
Well, that’s certainly news to me, which is surprising given my experience with the subject of sexual violence and culture. Could you cite where you learned about rape culture in a way that recognizes cultural norms but ignores the nuances of depictions of acts in media and media’s role in reproducing harmful norms? That’d be interesting.
(I’m also curious if you read my comment(s), since I stated multiple times that it isn’t inherently sexual violence)
- Comment on Pain 2 weeks ago:
You’re getting closer with the third paragraph there, and also yes it is important to recognize the nuances of consent negotiation like in your fourth paragraph.
The problem is the meme itself, because this content exists within this cultural context and carries meanings whether or not the creator intended it to. I used the word “read” multiple times to help soften those meanings by emphasizing how they’re fluid, but that doesn’t always work given the amount of men that are offended at this meaning being present. So, yes, the fact that you were all expected to not ask about consent is a problem, given that the meme does literally depict something that qualifies as sexual violence unless it happened in a healthy relationship. The assumption that, because these people are in a relationship, the perspective of one of those people sexualizing the other while they are unconscious indicates that they are in a healthy rather than problematic relationship is far more of a clear cut example of rape culture than what you and others appear to read from this meme.
That isn’t someone on the outside looking in, that’s something we all participate in as members of society. Yes, this behaviour will be appropriate in many relationships, but that it is expected to be appropriate despite there being zero evidence that it is is an example of how men do not even think about how this comes off as rapey, which points to the reality that many if not most men perpetrate sexual violence exactly because they are socialized to think this way.
You and many others take this to mean I’m saying that this guy is evil, which is probably why so many get pissed since it is something they definitely do, consent or otherwise, and consider it safely harmless (legally speaking); which it may very well be in their own relationship. Unfortunately, that is not reality. In reality, sexual violence is not perpetrated exclusively by evil men, but mostly by average men who do not intend to cause that harm. There are countless examples like not sufficiently considering sobriety and consent, not anticipating a boundary, thinking of consent as only explicit language that their partners are responsible to communicate rather than constant verbal/nonverbal communication that you are both responsible to be looking for, and not expected to always be communicated clearly. That is not essentially asking if someone is doing something wrong, that is recognizing our partners as human people who trust us to anticipate and read their feelings. If we look for those signs outside of our own relationships, we are recognizing the reality that it is not expected of men to think about consent beyond what might qualify definitively (legally speaking) as “rape.”
If so many of you don’t want to commit sexual violence, it’s better to learn and adopt a more nuanced understanding of how you have been socialized and how your actions effects others regardless of your intent. No, if you’ve done this before, you aren’t an irredeemable rapist, but you do become a worse person if you don’t address it now that you know it’s a problem. It is in fact more pessimistic to believe that men are not capable of that level of introspection and change, and that expecting them to do so is somehow a slight on them. Many men get mad at me every time I point these things now, but some learn as they should be trusted and expected to.
- Comment on POV 2 weeks ago:
I’m not going to write two responses to the same questions, and another person asked it in a much less defensive, angry way. So, you can just read this and see what your issue is:
Okay, so some good questions here that I’m glad to see on Lemmy.
So, objectification is one of those things I think men get more anxious about because they typically have less intuitive, lived experiences to understand where those boundaries ought to be assumed. Objectification is not itself inherently wrong; we are objectified when we have an assigned number for our driver’s license, and we often want to be sexually objectified by our partners, as you pointed out
People tend to be uncomfortable with the reality that the wrongness of objectification is something negotiated, not statically defined with clear lines that you could show in court. In one of my other comments, I said that this element is not necessarily an issue depending on the relationship. Yes, people have those discussions throughout a relationship (ideally), and if this was something established as appropriate, that isn’t much of an issue.
However, this is not two people in a relationship, this is an internet meme whose legibility is dependent on the assumptions and shared values of an audience. So, in that context, the fact that it is expected that so many of you wouldn’t take issue with this (and didn’t) is the problem. Women’s bodies are sexually objectified culturally, which means non-sexual contexts or attributes of their bodies are constructed as sexual, i.e. when men peep on their feet like they’re genetalia publicly, or when nakedness alone is considered sexual, despite that not being the case. Combined with the nuances of negotiated consent and the cultural norms of hetero relationships, that also means many (or most) cishet men do not even think about explicit consent when they’re met with a situation like what is depicted in this meme, like what you just admitted to.
Though this can often lead to harm – like being a bit rapey online and forcing women to see that most men don’t worry about their consent – that doesn’t mean that all men are bad because they were socialized a particular way, since it is something that can be resolved through communication and recognition. That most men, this site included, often react indignantly at the notion that they’re engaging in sexual violence even though they followed the rules, shows us that this is by no means a small issue. When I say “rape culture,” this refers to the prevalent cultural norms like this that, while not normalizing sexual assault explicitly, accept constructions of women, sex, and relationships that are conducive to devaluing women and their ability to give consent; therefore normalizing sexual violence.
So, yes, this is not inherently wrong in the context of an actual relationship with healthy boundaries, communication, and respect, but is harmful in the context of an internet meme that does not consider the possibility of harm in its messaging, and whose audience by and large holds such consideration in contempt as an indictment of their moral character.
- Comment on Pain 2 weeks ago:
Would be nice if guys were less sympathetic to incels than you are offended by anything related to internalized misogyny.
- Comment on POV 2 weeks ago:
Maybe, I’ve got a few dudes angry at me on the other thread for pointing out the rape-culture vibes of the original. So, probably gonna get a few more of those throughout the day.
- Comment on Pain 2 weeks ago:
While they’re unconscious and not in a sexual situation? Yeah, I’m gonna wokeify a meme making light of the assumptions men make about this situation. Lemmites respond very negatively when I point out rape culture on here, and as I said, that isn’t surprising given the userbase.
- Comment on Pain 2 weeks ago:
Oh wow, that’s genuinely funny to use a gaslighting thing right below this (“you’re weird if you ‘assume’ dangerous behaviour”). This form of sexual violence is still super common, and most men still don’t challenge the assumed consent of a relationship; all of that of course besides the fact that they’re sexualizing her body in a non-sexual situation, which is just a bit of a problem on its own (but not necessarily depending on the relationship).
So, yeah, it’s a bit rapey, and as I said, since this site is mostly youngish to middle-aged STEM men, that isn’t what these people are going to read from it even though it is present.
- Comment on POV 2 weeks ago:
This one fixes a lot of the problems from the first one.
- Comment on Pain 2 weeks ago:
I think that’s how men are reading it, yeah, but it reads to me like, “oh boy, I sure want to fuck my hot sleeping gf rn, but I gotta do workies :(” I know the demos on this site means most people are going to read it as “I don’t want to work, and my hot sleeping gf is comforting,” and even that is honestly fucked up and objectifying.
- Comment on Pain 2 weeks ago:
probably because it’s a bit rapey…
- Comment on This woman has nothing better to do 3 weeks ago:
okay, you know the owner of this franchise is more likely to align with the video recorder than the trans service worker, right? Likely, she was trying to end the interaction in a way that wouldn’t necessitate any real follow up with some other fuckass property owning piece of shit.
- Comment on Video games 1 month ago:
Hey, read the sources I provided.
- Comment on Video games 1 month ago:
That was a lot of words for, “yes, I forgot.”
- Comment on Video games 1 month ago:
Literally the most famous video game instance of it:
www.reversecanarymission.org/…/neil-druckmann vice.com/…/the-not-so-hidden-israeli-politics-of-… time.com/…/the-last-of-us-controversy-israel-gaza…
Maybe read a bit eh.
- Comment on Video games 1 month ago:
I guess Zionism is a bold innovation in video game storytelling now.
- Comment on I'm not sure they will 1 month ago:
Right so, this is definitely related to what “purity politics” means, but not what I was referencing. I’m talking about the (liberal) tendency on this site for people to supposedly challenge purity-based political systems and ideologies like fascism, white supremacy, and settler-colonialism one minute, and then accept “piece of technology corrupts the human soul,” as an explanation for something better explained through systemic analysis or cultural critique.