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  • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨58⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    This feels predictable. AI is one of, if not the most invested in yet unprofitable industries in the history of humanity.

    The last few years have been the beta and the tech demo. But that is not paying for itself yet. US companies are competing with (and falling behind) Chinese state-sponsored companies. OpenAI in particular, a company whose revenue doesn’t even cover half of their operating costs, has extended themselves into owing more than a TRILLION dollars to the entirety of big tech who are building chips and data centers on these IOUs, and will need to be paid sooner or later. The bills will come due.

    Other corporations are already paying massive bills for licensing, tokens, training, and infrastructure changes to accommodate this shift to AI while laying off massove chunks of skilled workers on the idea that AI is cheap and will get cheaper over time. But that is simply not the case. This is the “first taste is free” part of this deal. Once they have companies deeply invested in AI and have destroyed the fabric of the labor economy in favor of it, that price is going to skyrocket because OF COURSE IT WILL.

    Maybe at some point this will all level out. AI bubble will pop. Prices will sky rocket. Companies will try to backpedal, which will be slow and difficult, they’ll end up paying AI companies huge sums while they work to decouple themselves after just forming the bond, they’ll also end up paying stupid money to professionals who are suddenly in high demand, and many companies won’t survive the chaos.

    AI will eventually get cheaper (but probably never this cheap again, at least not in the near future), and it will probably be a permanent fixture in our lives and work to some degree. But it’s usefulness and cost effectiveness will be limited in scope, with specialized purposes. It will not ultimately be the great labor replacement companies think/thought it would be, even as stupid and short sighted as that desire is in the first place (if 30% of the global work force is unemployed, how do you think that will effect your revenue, morons!?). But that also is assuming that the coming chaos doesn’t turn out so bad that AI is permanently legislated into oblivion after the chaos it’s about to cause.

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  • _stranger_@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Those same managers eleven seconds later when they get an ad for a new startup making the same obviously empty promises as the last startup:

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    • tempest@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      They love those the most because they integrate them and then use it to justify a promotion or move so they can get out of Dodge before the inevitable explosion happens on the next guys watch. The next guy blames the previous guy and then repeats the process.

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  • SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    The fact that it is just a cost comparison, however much humans might still be winning it roght now, is the fundamental problem.

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  • Fishnoodle@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah no shit. You get people dependent on your product, then Jack up the price

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    • Flower@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      That was always the reason AI was put into everything.

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    • Hiro8811@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Corpo fell for the oldest corpo trick.

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      • criss_cross@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        It’s funny too because at our company people keep repeatedly asking “what are you gonna do when they predictably jack up the rates?”

        And every time “don’t worry about that right now. We’re keeping a close eye on it. “

        Uh huh.

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      • Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        “Why did you destroy your company to just inflate your next quarter bonus?”

        “It is my nature”

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      • dance_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        And it’s from their own playbook

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  • MTK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Add to that the fact that hiring and training a new employee usually costs between 5-10 times more than retaining an employee (from hire to fully trained)

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    • end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Yet they never seem to act like that. They punish you for loyalty.

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  • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They fired the wrong people. Go higher!

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  • FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Does AI cost more than humans primarily because of greed (i.e the AI companies demand a high profit margin now) or because of energy costs (i.e AI is so wasteful with energy, so polluting, that it costs more than human workers)

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    • i078@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Given the ai companies are running at al loss, it’s fair to assume which if these is likely

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      • LurkingLuddite@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s both.

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      • pennomi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This is a common myth, inference is not typically run at a loss, despite claims. It’s only a loss if you include staff and ongoing training costs. They could lock in their models now and be profitable if they wanted to.

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    • Flower@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Costs. AI companies have been running at a big loss using investment money trying to scale quickly and conquer the market. That always comes at an end and something closer to the real costs has to be paid.

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    • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The AI companies bet on efficiencies occurring that have not materialized.

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  • dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The fact that piece of algorithm is getting paid more than a human being, who eat, live, love, is outrageous. Humans are the worst.

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    • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Just to twist the knife, the algorithm was likely trained on the replaced workers behaviours

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      • SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And likely does the job worse.

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    • LurkingLuddite@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Executives are the worst. There are many, many great people in the world, but for some fucking stupid reason we let executives and politicians run roughshod over everyone and everything…

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    • musicjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      I for one think it’s pretty bad ass that humans are able to build sophisticated enough tools to replace “brain” jobs. Not sure how AI is a humanity bad moment unless you are someone with a make-believe job being replaced by AI

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      • PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        I’m sure this comment will go down well with Lemmy.

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  • Prove_your_argument@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Don’t worry, when they hire back their humans they will be paying them 25%+ less after adjusting for inflation.

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  • voidsignal@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    AND it’s shit

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  • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    But they got to fire a lot of people which is their favorite thing to do.

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  • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Rehire and Replace the CEO with AI 😁

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    • PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip ⁨17⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Too easy.

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  • Lydia_K@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They don’t care, they don’t want to be in the writing software business or in the human resources business. Cloud is more expensive but they didn’t care because they didn’t want to be in the data center business.

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  • DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hahahahaha their greed knows no bounds and they couldn’t help but reach and reach and reach further in until they ruined the one actual selling point they had of AI “replace the slaves cheaper!!” They cried waving their arms around “This is the new thing!!” “You won’t have to pay people anymore! Think of the profits!!”

    And then they went and fucked it up because of how obscenely and unapologetically greedy they are in every single thing that they do. Hahahahahaha oh god, the irony is almost tangible enough you could put it on a plate and eat it.

    Good for us, the actual workers of the world. But wow, they are so greedy they couldn’t even replace us all with robots effectively because they just want more and more and more and more and more and…

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    • davidagain@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Most LLM setups were running at about a 95% loss. That’s unprecedentedly humongous.

      Subscriptions were going to need to go up 20-fold just to break even.

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  • jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    AI + UBI

    A great pairing.

    Who doesn’t like a great pair?

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How long until the AI gains sentience and joins the rest of us on the picket lines?

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    • SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      They’ll ask AI what propaganda to tweet when to sow disunion amongst the picketers

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    • Hiro8811@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      AI will never gain sentience, not with current tech and not until we figure out how consciousness actually works.

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      • OwOarchist@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Eh…

        With current tech? No. LLMs are kind of a dead end and will probably never become truly sentient. The LLM will probably end up being just part of a true AGI someday in the future – the speech center of the AI’s brain. Right now, we’re chatting with the speech center only, without the rest of the brain, which is why it sucks.

        But I don’t think figuring out how consciousness actually works is a prerequisite. As we move beyond LLMs and make different permutations of more complex systems, I expect consciousness will spontaneously develop in one, taking us by surprise. Maybe, if we’re lucky, seeing that happen will give us new insights into how consciousness works. (Though given how a lot of AI development is already a ‘black box’, I’m doubting it.) But I really do think we’ll accidentally make something with consciousness before we ever understand how consciousness works. Heck, an advanced enough AI might be the first one that actually cracks the consciousness code and is able to describe how it works.

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    • AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Or like in the movie “Her” where the AI’s got together and just left the planet lol

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  • Elting@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The tech sector had been over hiring for a decade. The cutbacks were inevitable in any course. Whats funny about it is that by using AI as a standover they are enshittifying their product faster and costing themselves more in the process than if they had just started firing people.

    Nonpaywalled version of that article: https://archive.is/HolQ7

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  • Asafum@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Lol ffs …

    “Greedy pos CEO of ShitCo. thinks they’re the only greedy pos CEO. Greedy pos CEO of AIslopCo. drains their accounts.”

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  • smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Turn off the AI, and rehire people, done.

    • CEOs, guaranteed
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    • Windex007@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s actually crazy how incredibly wrong that is.

      What is the CEOs job? To make profit? To select winning products? To chart a long term course?

      Nope.

      Nope Nope Nope.

      Thier job is to increase the value of their outstanding stock. That’s it.

      Now, given the fact that the stock market is a fucking casino… sure. Making profit is A way to TRY and increase your stock price. Making wise product decisions is A way to do that. This is a Warren Buffet type of CEO.

      You also need to “read the room” (the room being investors) understand what they want to hear, and start saying it. No matter how stupid it is. No matter if you know full well it’s stupid.

      If the whims of investors are convinced using AI is what is valuable, they will spend more on AI than humans for as long as it’s the case that the market will reward them for doing so… despite it being objectively inefficient.

      You gotta remember that company stock is like a currency they can print at will. As nice as it is to have a profitable business… it’s even nicer to have the luxury of being able to just print money.

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  • desiccated_event@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    NORMAN!

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    • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      NEWMAN!

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