The only difference between a tankie and a fascist is the name they give themselves.
.ml has got to be the only place on earth where I'd get downvoted for a comment like this
Submitted 3 weeks ago by taygaloocat@leminal.space to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
plyth@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Don’t you think the racism of one of them has a bit more of a consequence than of the other?
Lehmuusa@nord.pub 3 weeks ago
I completely agree.
And now, when writing this… Argh. Uyghurs. You absolutely cannot compare it to what Nazis did, but if you compare it to what other fascist countries died then yes, that’s quite some consequence.
I still would not write an equal sign between fascists and tankies, though.
In the end, tankie is a type of a socialist, and one becomes socialist through a will to do good. Being a tankie is some EXTREMELY fucking ill-advised way to do good, because the result is indeed very very bad. But you don’t really become a fascist in order to do good. You become a fascist because you think you are worth more than others.
I think being a tankie is about the goal being more important than the means – all the way to an extent where the means completely obliterate the goal. And being a fascist is about deciding that being limitlessly selfish is okay. One is at least trying to have a good goal. The other one is just… “Everything for ME and MY TRIBE, all others should DIE!” But in the end, what’s being done to Uyghurs is just horror. Being thrown into a concentration camp and being subjected to various inhumane experiments is already on a very high level of evil to have to experience.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This would assume the tankie-fascist isn’t also racist
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You’ll scare the racist imperialists with that kind of density. One image of Country Joe waggling his fingers is enough as it is!
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Myth: Communism and Fascism are the Same
Fascism upholds capitalist hierarchies (race, class, gender); communism seeks to abolish them
Fascism arises from capitalist decay to protect ruling-class interests, while communism opposes capitalism.
Historical examples (Franco, Hitler) show fascists collaborating with capitalists, not communists, who were among the first to be jailed/killed.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
You forgot to include some communist historical examples.
Hint: They tend to do exactly the same thing.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Communists and fascists are diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive. Communists fight for the working classes, to collectivize all production and distribution to suit the needs of all. Fascists apply the methods of colonialism domestically in order to entrench capitalists and kill off labor organizers. Equating the two originated as a form of Holocaust trivialization called Double Genocide Theory.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
That must be why capitalists and the CIA love one, but hate and fear the other, right? Because they’re the same?
Never cracked a book-ass comment
sveltecider@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Horseshoe theory on lemmy. This website really isn’t much different than Reddit lol, makes sense cause it was mostly Reddit refugees to being with.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
or a conservative and left-wing tankie, mirrors images.
njm1314@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You not posting this in context makes you super untrustworthy in my book.
davel@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
It’s not hard to suss out the context: leminal.space/modlog?userId=17385373
lyrial@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
Fuck. What an unlikable piece of shit transphobe.
binarytobis@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That guy gets banned a lot.
HollowNaught@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m reading through these and oof lol. It’s hard to agree with the guy now, even given how bad tankies can be, considering their transphobic remarks
betanumerus@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Dictators by nature are not trustworthy, so which one do you pick: trustworthiness or dictatorship?
go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
By “trustworthiness” do you mean continuing to try to vote our way into policy which benefits the American people? Because that hasn’t worked in 40+ years.
Yeah I’ll take a “dictatorship” like China if it means we get socialized Healthcare, 25,000 miles of high speed rail, affordable housing and nationalization of corporations who have received billions if not trillions in subsidies. American “democracy” certainly hasn’t delivered on any of that.
jwt@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
You think Linus Torvalds is untrustworthy?
deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I could just as easily say “president is untrustworthy by nature” or “king”, “prime minister”, “dictator”, “state”, “soldier”, “police”, ”judge” etc. Dictatorship doesn’t automatically equal “authoritarian tankie evil communism everyone starves”
Dictatorship by definition means the person or party that dictates. A judge is not authoritarian for providing someone a fair trial regardless of how harsh or fair they are, but they are still dictating a system or an action. So when you hear “dictatorship of the proletariat”, it literally means you and everyone else controls the law. It doesn’t mean you get to decide everything it means that democracy actually involves every single person that participates instead of being “dictated” by money.
Every country expresses authority in some way, wether it’s USA something like Bay of Pigs, UK with their actions in India and Africa, USSR defeating Nazi armies and liberating concentration camps sometimes WITH the us and British. Technically Warsaw ghetto uprising was “authoritarian” and it was a good thing that they expressed authority on the Nazi regime.
Just trying to provide some clarity, a lot of people in the US truly have no idea how evil our government is and what they do overseas to help maintain your lifestyle, and it barely does a good job of maintaining our lifestyle. If anything socialist policies are always provably better at building society, and even the bare minimum in the US are people like Mamdani or Walz that prove even if you enact quasi-leftist policies like healthcare you’re an evil communist who likes dictatorship. You’re falling for it but you don’t have to, if you believe in people like AOC and other “progressive” dems like Ilhan Omar in theory you should be unlearning these things you’ve been taught by the right wing American media.
Sneptaur@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Cry more, bigot. I see the comments you’ve had removed by mods.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Hey, they’re just an r-word and Scandinavia enjoyer, with some light bannings attributed to transphobia and nazism. That’s not at all relevant when they’re out here in the wild trying to forge up some horseshoe theory!
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
“How does all this fascism keep getting in my heckin anti-tankieism??”
texture@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
i wonder why anyone is downvoting this
Sneptaur@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Because their hate for communism is greater than their hate for naziism
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
A bullshit false equivalence that only serves to amplify alt-right messaging? Yeah, I’d downvote that garbage, too.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And then they’ll unironically turn around and be like “bOtH sIdEs” whenever someone suggests that maybe we should have a democratic party that opposes fascists instead of progressives.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You went into a community which defines itself as Tankies, compared them to Fascists, and now you come here whining about it?
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
It all feels kinda performative…
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Standard Lemmy.world jerk off session.
Objection@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Murse@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Blocking an entire instance seemed extreme at first, but with the level of crazy in .ml I finally just ripped off that bandaid and did it. It remains the only one.
The fediverse has been a much better experience ever since!
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I started with the yiff ones but you do you. My block list is pretty extensive.
Murse@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Those are communities, and yeah those were quick to be blocked for me as well. I’m talking about entire instances, which to my knowledge there aren’t any yiff ones - so far .ml is the only one that’s been so consistently bad that it’s actually worth throwing any trace of the baby out with the bath water.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
named dream weasel
doesn’t like yiff
Something ain’t adding up.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
But think of all the downsides!
ekZepp@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Lemmy.world is already defederated from Lemmygrad.ml, which is where this came from.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
But they make good memes. Just avoid the comments
gtrcoi@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Hard disagree, all their memes are:
- Ragebait,
- Appeal to common sense,
- Laugh at outgroup
They’re humor is identical to right wingers.
flabberjabber@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Totes.
I was banned from socialism on Lemmy.ml the other day.
For providing a detailed post with scientific references demonstrating how the Tibetan language is disappearing (and how the infographic posted was likely propaganda/misinformation).
I had many users respond calling me slurs and none really responding to the body of my post in any way. Then, instead of moderating the bullying, the mod called me a shithead, provided his own references and banned me to prevent me from responding.
The kicker? The references he linked to supported exactly what I was saying! He hadn’t read them.
Also funnily, the mod log states that I infringed “Rule 1”. I checked. Socialism’s rules are still TBD (after 7 years).
Edie@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
There are instance wide rules. It wasn’t clarified, although it should have been, that it was that.
- No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
I’ll let QinShiHuangsShlong point out the problem with your comment
In other words, in all likelihood, waves at the Chinese intelligence system running this thread.
Why do you people always feel the need to add some dehumanising shit like this at the end of your replies.
“Oh you don’t hate China you must be a bot, shill, intelligence officer, brainwashed etc etc.”
You suck.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I checked that thread, perhaps they mean “liberal” is a slur? /s
flabberjabber@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wow, I see you following my posts. That’s a bit creepy. But I’ll play.
Since when is calling out a particular nation’s intelligence apparatus racism? In fact I criticised the American government in the paragraph previously. You’ve cut out context to make your actions seem a little more reasonable. Here’s that context:
Many of these same allegations can be levied at governments such as the Americans; but to differing proportions and often historical rather than modern contexted. However, rather than one being preferred, it is my opinion that any immoral and unethical system of government does not deserve the support of the people. The fact that you’re trying to garner support for just another form of tyranny is at the least concerning and at the most likely duplicitous and an attempt at manipulation from said government itself.
I see many users on lemmy.ml doing exactly this all the time, but in reverse and being more direct in their description. Usually some kind of combination of “western imperialist country’s liberal intelligence”.
It is not by any measure racism. It’s criticism of a form of government.
Which leads me to my next question: why is it a forbidden topic to talk about the activities of a very powerful and despotic government like the CCP, but in the same breath permitted to fling similar criticism at other countries? I had a user assume I was American in that thread and criticise me based upon it. Ironically I am not. Why was this not also moderated?
Why was I banned for that criticism, and yet the user that called me a shithead (a direct slur) was not?
The more you analyse the actions of any moderator or most lemmy.ml users, the more their hypocracy becomes apparent.
Free speech for me, but not for thee.
Most of my post was a scientific discussion on the loss of the Tibetan language, and proved through academic pieces of research the misinformation/propaganda present in the OP’s infographic.
I think it is much more likely given the apparent hypocracy and duplicity evident in your actions as moderator and my experience with lemmy.ml as a whole, and the experience of the users in this thread which are so numerous, that this was a deliberate burying of that information.
But that’s just my opinion, I have no proof and can’t accept any from you or your team because of the above bad faith that has already been made apparent.
By the way, liberal is a slur used in the same manner as tankie, but by authoritarian communists/socialists. I’m surprised as a moderator of lemmy.ml you’re unaware of this fact.
For clarity’s sake, here’s that original post so that all those that read this can have full context:
spoiler
Can we have some academic references for your claims OP? Here are mine before you ask: Mandarin is now the primary medium of instruction/education for approximately 95% of schools in Tibetan areas, including kindergartens. We have a large body of verified statistics and independent institutions that show this clearly: www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/12/18/7267 hrw.org/…/tibetan-medium-schooling-under-threat right-to-education.org/…/chinas-bilingual-educati… Tibetan educator and researcher Gyal Lo projected that up to 70% of Tibetans in China may lose the ability to speak their mother tongue by 2030 if current trends continue. This projection is supported by a wealth of academic studies: cambridge.org/…/994D3B3CFDFEA96C30F022369F1DB1FD pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29033477/ researchgate.net/…/324778661_Tibet's_Minority_Lan… Also, in terms of the ongoing theme you’re engendering, the idea that Tibetans do not experience oppression or persecution, here’s a summary of most of the ways in which that provably isn’t true. I haven’t referenced these as it would take quite a bit of time; but much of it is well documented and you’re welcome to conduct a literature search if you’d like: -military suppression of uprisings, -political imprisonment, -torture and deaths in custody, -restrictions on religion, -interference in Buddhist institutions, -suppression of Tibetan language, -cultural assimilation policies, -mass surveillance, -censorship and speech restrictions, -forced relocation of nomads, -environmental displacement, -economic discrimination allegations, -coercive labor allegations, -restrictions on travel and foreign access. Many of these same allegations can be levied at governments such as the Americans; but to differing proportions and often historical rather than modern contexted. However, rather than one being preferred, it is my opinion that any immoral and unethical system of government does not deserve the support of the people. The fact that you’re trying to garner support for just another form of tyranny is at the least concerning and at the most likely duplicitous and an attempt at manipulation from said government itself. In other words, in all likelihood, waves at the Chinese intelligence system running this thread.
Comet79@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Tubular was right, then. You do follow around and harass people.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
welcome to the club.
flabberjabber@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ha, yes that’s the actions of a person who has command of the facts and understands the hierarchy of evidence /s
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
“State operated” as opposed to your totally free and unbiased private media that just happens to all be owned by the same 6 guys, sure thing kiddo
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
yeah the typical reason for getting banned is “Rule 1 & 2”, in other words, having an opinion that a mod doesn’t like.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
no decent human being would ever have different opinions or political views than me.
that would make them indecent!
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Lol no you didn’t, you didn’t have shit for science you were just being weird and racist
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
That’s lemmygrad (THE tankie instance, with Hexbear), not lemmy.ml (the dev’s instance). Please do not conflate them together. And I say this as a dbzero user.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
and if you want a better time here, block all three of those instances.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Get a load of this guy
vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Reddit is free you know.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
dbzer0 (which im on) defederates grad, for good reason, fuck grad
hexbear and ml are milder, i dont have them blocked but i see why one might block them
blahaj zone is very based (very meowy and trans and woke and blahaj), except for them disabling downvotes which is understandable i just think its a bad idea
i dont see why youd block it unless youre very unmeowy and unwoke in which case i dont want you on my lemmy, im fine with respectfully debating with transphobes (because i believe that people should go fuck themselves only if they refuse/fail to go educate themselves), but i block the disrespectful insufferable ones (which is many of them)
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Lemmy.ml IS a Tankie instance. Unfortunately it’s one of the main Lemmy instances.
I got banned in a community there for anti-Tankie “propaganda” when I said there are claims that Tank Man may have been killed or disappeared by the government.
Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Well yeah, because there are claims that happened in the same way there are claims that aliens built the pyramids: it’s completely imagined and based on no actual evidence.
kreskin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
or a do-nothing centrist who’d rather let the fascists win in order to keep the left down, right?
But dont forget to vote blue no matter who, leftists!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
or the Non-voting tankies that just likes to complain alot.
Pissed@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Ya because voting will change the United States lol.
kreskin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I filled out my ballot by didnt vote for a single zionist or fascist-- leaving a few things blank, including my vote for president. I dont vote in support of genocide, ever. Do I get to be a tankie in your eyes?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The main problem is, that “tankie” governments make people disillusioned with leftism. The average person doesn’t associate leftism with worker’s movements anymore, but with crackpot dictators, that just bans things for no other reason than because he doesn’t like them, and maybe has a team of crooked scientists or sociologists to come up with some reason behind them.
Tolc@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
thats just result of liberal bourgeoisie propaganda
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Genocide is bad, wether it’s the Holocaust or the Very Real White Genocide in South Africa. If you disagree with any part of this, you think genocide is good.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m banned from a bunch of random places cuz I made a joke about Jack Ma disappearing for “re-education”. Loud critic of the CCP. Goes missing unexpectedly for a bit. Returns and suddenly sings the praises of the CCP. Definitely not fishy at all and you can’t joke about it.
BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Its a CCP propaganda machine.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 3 weeks ago
Last week highly-upvoted comment on reddit claimed that environmentalism is nothing more than russian-bot fueled fad.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
.ml is Lemmy’s The_Donald or /r/Conservative. Obviously different ideologies, but the behavior is the same. Bunch of petulant children.
chloroken@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Equivocating Fascism and Communism is a standard Nazi tactic to make their ideology look less extreme. You got moderated because you emanate Hitler particles.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I’ll downvote that too.
It seems to #bothsides an issue via a lot of hyperbole, and risks straw-manning one side just for a favourable comparison.
I don’t colour myself a tankie, but I do live in a more socialist country than America - low bar, such as it is. I sense I’m not in a position to properly understand how your argument can make sense, but the kneejerk comparison I feel needs some explanation before just throwing that smelly fish out there.
It’s not cut-and-dried, but presented as such. It’s not helpful and relevant by itself. Thus, downvote.
Pissed@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
🤦♂️
sephallen@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
And those 40 down votes probably came from 4 different people.
Don’t down vote those people though, you’ll get a ban.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Holy shit can you keep this dogshit on meanwhileongrad?? Like we get it there are crazy soviets on the internet, get over it you don’t need to turn every server into meanwhile
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
I swear, for the people who’ve yet to experience getting caught in .ml crossfire these constant stories verge on some Jason Voorhees Boogieman shit for me ahaha
Does everyone who finds themselves on lemmygrad just show up to start debates? I’ve never just accidentally wandered into an .ml instance and then felt compelled to start throwing hands about Tiananmen Square lol
This stuff has got to be some of my all time favorite Lemmy lore and I look forward to the day I find a reason to being banned from there too.
calmblue75@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Your screenshot says “memes@lemmygrad.ml”, not “lemmy.ml”.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’d say it’s because the bar for “tankie” is “anyone who had a problem with selling weapons for genocide.”
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world [bot] 3 weeks ago
this has got to be one of the dumbest posts I’ve seen here, who the fuck gives a shit
Tolc@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You are just a typical liberal who is equating fascist society and socialist society just because they are “authoritarian”, you are ignoring what they achieved and what were their ideas. By this logic liberalism and fascism are same because they both are capitalism.
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
“tankie leftist” is a meaningless term and “tankie” is only used as a pejorative against socialists/communists.. It’s ignorant and combative language. I’m completely unsurprised that you are downvoted for that.
roserose56@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Don’t do the mistake I did posting a meme, don’t even bother going in this instance, don’t bother at all.
BillCheddar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Have you tried engaging in a good-faith discussion instead of whatever half-witted rage-bait you attempted the first time?
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s because what you meant is accurately understood as a false dichotomy coming from decades of Western propaganda and completely useless to whatever discussion you were having. Remember: tankie is the new commie, and you’re (most likely) just the new generation of imperialist Westerners because the show has to go on, they just changed the words a little while keeping the same narrative dynamics.
And I’m too monotheistic and grounded in reality regarding current idpol Western nonsense for .ml, they downvote and ban me often so it’s not like I’m part of the in-group, I’m just a bit more aware than you, ig.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Lemmigrad.ml ≠ lemmy.ml
Normally when people refer to “.ml” they mean the dev instance, lemmy.ml, not lemmigrad.ml.
I’m not commenting on the substance of your post, just pointing out the mismatch.
hobovision@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Grad is definitely worse than ml, but enough people on ml are tankies (including the devs) that it’s easy to group both together.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
They are both pretty extreme.
Tolc@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
leftist extremism is good
Klear@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
lemmy.ml is just lemmygrad.ml wearing a mask - badly.
jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
yeah right
both cults, one worse than the other?