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• betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Then move to China, because the chances of a dictatorship running your way are next to zero. Dictatorship means no accountability, so once it’s set up, they do as they please no matter what you say.

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  • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Then move to China

    If I spoke mandarin fluently and had a solid support network of friends and family i would. 🤷‍♂️

    Dictatorship means no accountability, so once it’s set up, they do as they please no matter what you say.

    Show me all this accountability here in the United States. A known pedophile is in office and the previous guy in office spent four years in office giving a huge number of his voters the finger.

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    • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You seem to like when the government heavily censors domestic media, the internet, and academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent, protests, or criticism of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Movement within China is regulated. The justice system in China has a 99% conviction rate…for whichever side supports the side of the state. Mass surveillance with no legal recourse. You wouldn’t even know if you had it good or not. Unless you are fine not knowing I suppose.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The west also heavily censors domestic media, the internet, academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent and protests, etc. The critical difference is that the west does this to protect capitalists against the working classes, while China does this to suppress capitalists and protect the socialist system. The class that controls the state uses it to oppress the others.

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      • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You’re responding to my comment where I said.

        Show me all this accountability here in the United States.

        You didn’t show me where all this accountability is. Was that an oversight on your part or are you acknowledging there isn’t any?

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      • Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And yet they have fewer people in prison than the US with four times the population. All these horrible things about china and yet they incarcerate people at a quarter of the rate that the US does.

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    • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If it was a total dictatorship, he’d be there forever. Accountability is the elections. You have hope.

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      • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Accountability is the elections.

        Then what are prisons for?

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      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        A rotating cast of “elected” spokesmen for the ruling billionaires doesn’t result in accountability for anyone

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    From the recent Perceptions of Democracy survey:

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    • jwt@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      cool… cool…

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This data is public, and was gathered by western organizations.

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      • hitwright@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Russia… Democratic… LMFAO xDDD

        Thanks for sharing!

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  • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m in China right now, its weird how the government does more for the people than most western democracies if they’re totally unaccountable. Is it possible you don’t have any idea wtf you’re talking about?

    Here’s a place where you can go 250 miles in an hour and a half for 30 bucks. No idea who this is for if not the people.

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    • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’d like to answer but you used your free speech to disqualified yourself.

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      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Wtf are you talking about?

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      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Wtf are you talking about?

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    • teft@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s for the party bosses. People on time means more economic production which means more global political clout.

      Let’s see the rural infrastructure and collapsing tofu dreg bridges. Bet they don’t look as good.

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      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s for the party bosses. People on time means more economic production

        HSR is for long distances, nobody is commuting 250 miles when you can live in the city becayse rent is <300/mo. But you are correct in that party bosses interests are selfish; they’re graded by economic development, human health, veggie prices, etc, and at the end of each 5 year term can get promoted to a bigger area, demoted from being able to run anything, or literally thrown in prison depending on their performance.

        Let’s see the rural infrastructure and collapsing tofu dreg bridges

        The buildings in less economic areas aren’t as nice, but that’s true literally everywhere. As for collapsed bridges and other infrastructure, I’ve literally never seen that.

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      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Anything’s possible when you make shit up

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  • zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You actually think there’s no accountability in China? My guy, they hold their politicians to a much higher bar then we do.

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  • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Xi is a de facto dictator. Sham elections and all

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    • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Xi is not directly elected

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      • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Xi is not elected*

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    • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Anything’s possible when you make shit up

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• teft@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah I’ll take a “dictatorship” like China if it means we get socialized Healthcare, 25,000 miles of high speed rail, affordable housing and nationalization of corporations who have received billions if not trillions in subsidies. American “democracy” certainly hasn’t delivered on any of that.

  Ask the Uyghurs how that’s working out for them. Anyone who thinks a fascist dictatorship doesn’t eat whoever they want is lying to themselves. If you’re not a party man (and even if you are that isn’t a bulletproof vest) you’re not going to have a life worth living.

  I bet nazi germans were cool with living in the reich, too. Just look at all those jewish companies they were given! Who wouldn’t want that. /s

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  • sveltecider@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you want to play this game, maybe you should google the highest prison population in the world and the racial nature of their for-profit prison labour system.

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    • teft@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ah, whataboutism. The classic erudite answer to criticism.

      Blocked for being a ccp shill.

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      • sveltecider@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You say blocked as if I would ever care about this information

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      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Pointing out that the source of an accusation has an obvious motive to lie and a long history and extremely well documented history of this specific type of dishonesty for this specific motive isn’t “whataboutism”, you’re just mad because you know they’re right and you don’t have a coherent defense

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  • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ask the Uyghurs how that’s working out for them.

    You’re going to have to come up with a counter benefit we don’t also have under U.S. democracy. Unless you think there is no comparison? I’d be happy to discuss that with you.

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    • teft@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why would i engage with someone who believes china is more free than the US?

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      • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Why would i engage with someone who believes china is more free than the US?

        I never said that. I said China has socialized Healthcare, thousands of miles of high speed rail connecting hundreds of cities all with their own robust public transit systems, they have affordable cars, housing, food and education. I’m saying thr U.S. has none of that. How did U.S. “democracy” absolutely fail where a China “dictatorship” succeeded?

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      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because your only hope of propping up your dying ideology is to actually make good arguments and persuade people? But you suck ass at that so yeah you should probably just give up

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  • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    People with far more credibility than the US and our lackeys have already investigated in person, if you don’t feel like listening to them you can and should visit in person and investigate for yourself Image

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• IncogCyberSpaceUser@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Pretty sure there isn’t socialized healthcare.

  Apropos affordable housing, how is the real estate bubble going? Don’t a lot of people pay for mortgages on apartments that have never been built?

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  • sveltecider@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because it is not literally flawless, we can’t be fans of it?

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    • IncogCyberSpaceUser@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You said there is socialised healthcare. I said there is not. I guess you have nothing to say about that other than pivoting. Pathetic.

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  • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    China doesn’t have free healthcare, but they build hospitals and train doctors to keep healthcare cheap. There’s also state run insurance. I got a ortho consult for 1.5USD, and a retainer reattached for 15 USD, as a walk-in.

    Cuba is a better model given that they’ve done so much with so little.

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