Comment on .ml has got to be the only place on earth where I'd get downvoted for a comment like this

• go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  By “trustworthiness” do you mean continuing to try to vote our way into policy which benefits the American people? Because that hasn’t worked in 40+ years.

  Yeah I’ll take a “dictatorship” like China if it means we get socialized Healthcare, 25,000 miles of high speed rail, affordable housing and nationalization of corporations who have received billions if not trillions in subsidies. American “democracy” certainly hasn’t delivered on any of that.

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  • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Then move to China, because the chances of a dictatorship running your way are next to zero. Dictatorship means no accountability, so once it’s set up, they do as they please no matter what you say.

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    • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Then move to China

      If I spoke mandarin fluently and had a solid support network of friends and family i would. 🤷‍♂️

      Dictatorship means no accountability, so once it’s set up, they do as they please no matter what you say.

      Show me all this accountability here in the United States. A known pedophile is in office and the previous guy in office spent four years in office giving a huge number of his voters the finger.

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      • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        You seem to like when the government heavily censors domestic media, the internet, and academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent, protests, or criticism of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Movement within China is regulated. The justice system in China has a 99% conviction rate…for whichever side supports the side of the state. Mass surveillance with no legal recourse. You wouldn’t even know if you had it good or not. Unless you are fine not knowing I suppose.

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      • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        If it was a total dictatorship, he’d be there forever. Accountability is the elections. You have hope.

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    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m in China right now, its weird how the government does more for the people than most western democracies if they’re totally unaccountable. Is it possible you don’t have any idea wtf you’re talking about?

      Here’s a place where you can go 250 miles in an hour and a half for 30 bucks. No idea who this is for if not the people.

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      • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I’d like to answer but you used your free speech to disqualified yourself.

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      • teft@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        It’s for the party bosses. People on time means more economic production which means more global political clout.

        Let’s see the rural infrastructure and collapsing tofu dreg bridges. Bet they don’t look as good.

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    • zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You actually think there’s no accountability in China? My guy, they hold their politicians to a much higher bar then we do.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      From the recent Perceptions of Democracy survey:

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      • jwt@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        cool… cool…

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    • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Xi is a de facto dictator. Sham elections and all

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      • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Xi is not directly elected

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      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Anything’s possible when you make shit up

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  • teft@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yeah I’ll take a “dictatorship” like China if it means we get socialized Healthcare, 25,000 miles of high speed rail, affordable housing and nationalization of corporations who have received billions if not trillions in subsidies. American “democracy” certainly hasn’t delivered on any of that.

    Ask the Uyghurs how that’s working out for them. Anyone who thinks a fascist dictatorship doesn’t eat whoever they want is lying to themselves. If you’re not a party man (and even if you are that isn’t a bulletproof vest) you’re not going to have a life worth living.

    I bet nazi germans were cool with living in the reich, too. Just look at all those jewish companies they were given! Who wouldn’t want that. /s

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    • sveltecider@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      If you want to play this game, maybe you should google the highest prison population in the world and the racial nature of their for-profit prison labour system.

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      • teft@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Ah, whataboutism. The classic erudite answer to criticism.

        Blocked for being a ccp shill.

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    • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      People with far more credibility than the US and our lackeys have already investigated in person, if you don’t feel like listening to them you can and should visit in person and investigate for yourself Image

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    • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Ask the Uyghurs how that’s working out for them.

      You’re going to have to come up with a counter benefit we don’t also have under U.S. democracy. Unless you think there is no comparison? I’d be happy to discuss that with you.

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      • teft@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Why would i engage with someone who believes china is more free than the US?

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  • IncogCyberSpaceUser@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Pretty sure there isn’t socialized healthcare.

    Apropos affordable housing, how is the real estate bubble going? Don’t a lot of people pay for mortgages on apartments that have never been built?

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    • sveltecider@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Because it is not literally flawless, we can’t be fans of it?

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      • IncogCyberSpaceUser@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You said there is socialised healthcare. I said there is not. I guess you have nothing to say about that other than pivoting. Pathetic.

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• jwt@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You think Linus Torvalds is untrustworthy?

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  • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You clearly don’t understand dictatorship.

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    • jwt@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You’re just missing context.

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      • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Impress me: create a context where you want your own rights taken away. 3, 2, 1, Go!: ___________________________.

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• deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I could just as easily say “president is untrustworthy by nature” or “king”, “prime minister”, “dictator”, “state”, “soldier”, “police”, ”judge” etc. Dictatorship doesn’t automatically equal “authoritarian tankie evil communism everyone starves”

  Dictatorship by definition means the person or party that dictates. A judge is not authoritarian for providing someone a fair trial regardless of how harsh or fair they are, but they are still dictating a system or an action. So when you hear “dictatorship of the proletariat”, it literally means you and everyone else controls the law. It doesn’t mean you get to decide everything it means that democracy actually involves every single person that participates instead of being “dictated” by money.

  Every country expresses authority in some way, wether it’s USA something like Bay of Pigs, UK with their actions in India and Africa, USSR defeating Nazi armies and liberating concentration camps sometimes WITH the us and British. Technically Warsaw ghetto uprising was “authoritarian” and it was a good thing that they expressed authority on the Nazi regime.

  Just trying to provide some clarity, a lot of people in the US truly have no idea how evil our government is and what they do overseas to help maintain your lifestyle, and it barely does a good job of maintaining our lifestyle. If anything socialist policies are always provably better at building society, and even the bare minimum in the US are people like Mamdani or Walz that prove even if you enact quasi-leftist policies like healthcare you’re an evil communist who likes dictatorship. You’re falling for it but you don’t have to, if you believe in people like AOC and other “progressive” dems like Ilhan Omar in theory you should be unlearning these things you’ve been taught by the right wing American media.

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  • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Dictatorship means there is no accountability. They do as they please no matter what you say. They have zero reason to be trustworthy.

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    • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You are fighting against a tide of trolls or sheep. There is nothing you can do but block these people that try to rationalize away dictators.

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      • deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        You both have no understanding of history and it’s sad, though it’s not irreversible.

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    • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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