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• jwt@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Thanks for the link, my point was that posting random pictures without context/methodology/sources is not very helpful.

  So the questionnaire asks people how positive/negative they perceive the categories in their own country, I’m not really sure that methodology works very well for oppressive countries.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You can look into their methodology. While it is an imperfect method, it does track pretty well when comparing countries to each other, as well as seeing which countries have more glaring weaknesses than others. It’s already widely reported that over 90% of people support the government in China, so this tracks pretty well.

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    • jwt@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You can look into their methodology

      I did, my opinion is that obviously that’s not a very smart way of conducting the questionnaire.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        It’s better in many ways than the standard western way of simply defining democracy by whatever the Nordics are doing, and then ranking everyone else accordingly. China has a very different democratic model than western countries, and so usually fails a lot of checks that are only checking for norms within western style democracies. This ranking helps take into account differences in model towards more socialist democracy by checking how the people feel.

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• Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  No idea what they’re trying to say, but… PDS is an opinion poll. The way you present it implies that it speaks in any way to the actual systems of government of the country in question, when that’s just straight not what it’s about:

  […] At the same time, more respondents said their country was moving in the wrong direction. The report finds that pessimism is especially pronounced in democracies. France, Germany, Lebanon, Puerto Rico and Nigeria were among the countries where responses on national direction were most negative. China recorded the most positive responses, followed by El Salvador, Kuwait, Algeria and Belarus.

  What your image actually shows is that Chinese citizens are the most satisfied with their government, which is for sure something, but is decidedly not the same thing as

  China is one of the more comprehensively democratic countries on the list, with some of the fewest glaring weaknesses.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yes, of course it’s a survey of how people feel about their systems. Most western “democracy indexes” just define democracy loosely around whatever the Nordics are doing, and as such countries with very different democratic systems like China score very low. This shows that that’s not really accurate, the people of China like the system and believe it delivers well for what it does.

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    • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Well, yes - this is an opinion poll, it’s not a measure based on real metrics of performance, it’s entirely based on perception.

      Which is my whole point: you stating that china is among the more comprehensively democratic countries on the list is a misuse of the infographic. You might hold that opinion, it might be true, but the image you’ve posted is completely disconnected with supporting that claim.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        How would you measure how comprehensively democratic a country is, if not by asking people how well it functions in getting across the will of the majority?

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