Genocide is bad, wether it’s the Holocaust or the Very Real White Genocide in South Africa. If you disagree with any part of this, you think genocide is good.
.ml has got to be the only place on earth where I'd get downvoted for a comment like this
Submitted 2 days ago by taygaloocat@leminal.space to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 2 days ago
Shit, there is a white genocide in South Africa ? like right now ?
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They’re making a joke by using a logical fallacy known as a false premise.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 days ago
It’s so real, definitely happening. Trump even said so.
(If English isn’t you’re first language, they’re mocking OP’s argument that because people downvote his moronic comparison, that means they love <bad thing>)
sudo@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Authoritarianism is bad, whether it’s the Nazis or the CCP.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
“Thing is bad whether it’s verifiably real or verifiably bullshit”
Freefall@lemmy.world 1 day ago
And the Uyghurs in China.
Aitolda@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Me: googles tankie
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
It’s a pejorative for those who support existing socialist states.
CompassRed@discuss.tchncs.de 14 hours ago
A tankie is anyone who supports violent left wing regimes. It requires support of violence and doesn’t require that the regime still exists.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I didn’t know what it was until recently either. I learned when they started telling me about how Uhygur human rights violations were a hoax.
You’ll run into them on Lemmy eventually.
Avicenna@programming.dev 21 hours ago
they have very predictable trigger points
LodeMike@lemmy.today 20 hours ago
Votes are public you can check yourself :3
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Let’s test that.
Tankie Tankie Tankie Tankie Tankie Tankie Tankie.
calmblue75@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
Upvoted since you made an effort to test it.
BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Its a CCP propaganda machine.
flabberjabber@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if this instance was already in your block list when you sign up for any other instance? Then you’d have to actively unblock it in order to see posts from it.
I’m a tolerant person, except when it comes to tolerating intolerance. Ironically, I think by tolerating intolerance we’ve gotten ourselves into a bit of a pickle here on lemmy and more broadly.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 day ago
Who exactly do you think communists are intolerant of, who themselves aren’t intolerant and therefore shouldn’t be tolerated? Billionaires and their bootlickers? Racists?
BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Also
The paradox of tolerance is a well known problem with solution being to punch fascists.
BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I like to troll them. Its a guilty pleasure 😔
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 day ago
I swear, for the people who’ve yet to experience getting caught in .ml crossfire these constant stories verge on some Jason Voorhees Boogieman shit for me ahaha
Does everyone who finds themselves on lemmygrad just show up to start debates? I’ve never just accidentally wandered into an .ml instance and then felt compelled to start throwing hands about Tiananmen Square lol
This stuff has got to be some of my all time favorite Lemmy lore and I look forward to the day I find a reason to being banned from there too.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Wandering into spaces just to throw hands is usually the basis for most people getting banned or their comments deleted. The content of their commentary is usually notwithstanding at that point.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 day ago
you forget that stuff shows up in your feed.
i have mosted in asklemmy.ml, not realizing it was not asklemmy.world, and yeah people go insane if you post the wrong ‘take’ to the ‘wrong’ instance.
sveltecider@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
When? It has never shown up on my feed unless I’ve gone looking for it. Most of my feed is lemmy.ca and lemmy world
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yes, its got to be that as soon as one of them catches a whiff of this stuff they allll pile in here to defend. Its insane
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
some other good lemmy lore:
- violet08, and generally Lemmy Shitpost hornyposting
- the “Nicole the Fediverse chick” spambots
sveltecider@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Lmao I have her blocked because I don’t like hornyposting. Personal preference.
texture@lemmy.world 1 day ago
this post is mildly infuriating.
theres no dictators on the left. this is bullshit.
CannedYeet@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Not anywhere within the Overton window. Certainly not any of even the furthest left elected officials.
chloroken@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Equivocating Fascism and Communism is a standard Nazi tactic to make their ideology look less extreme. You got moderated because you emanate Hitler particles.
chunes@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They didn’t say communism, though. They said tankie dictators.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Tankie is a pejorative for communists, the US calls everyone who doesn’t do what they say a dictator
frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
We all know what that means to them, with Stalin topping the list.
Tolc@lemmy.world 1 day ago
nowadays liberals call every genuine attempt of socialism in history as tankie dictator
greenbit@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Yeah equating tankies and communism is a psyop. Red Scare 2.0, poisoning the well so communism looks horrible
antonim@lemmy.world 2 days ago
You got moderated because you emanate Hitler particles. You’re not the innocent little poster you think you are, and some circles are clever enough to see that with haste.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 day ago
So, I’ve been exploring these comments for the past 30 mins. They honestly make me wonder; are we seeing an echo chamber effect by instance?
Does Lemmy have any tools to count upvote/downvote by user instances, especially by comment layer. I think I want to dive into this rabbit hole.
Sabrinamycarpet@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
What you are seeing is lemmygrad.ml. plus hexbear and dbzer0 are silly places and you just shouldn’t go there.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
There’s a lot of Lemmy.ml too. I got banned from a community for calling them out after they said no one died in the Tienanmen Square Massacre and that Uhygur human rights violations were a hoax.
You’ll run into can escape it as long as were federated with these.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
yes. that’s precisely what it is.
boogiebored@lemmy.world 1 day ago
yes, and a bubble
i have no idea what reputation .ml has and i have no clue what this post or most of these comments even mean
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Lemmy.ml has a lot of communists, OP was down voted for implying that all socialist states are ruled by dictators.
TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I use .world and its been nothing but normal for the most part.
sephallen@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
And those 40 down votes probably came from 4 different people.
Don’t down vote those people though, you’ll get a ban.
calmblue75@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Your screenshot says “memes@lemmygrad.ml”, not “lemmy.ml”.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 day ago
😐 Banning harmless things because a dictator doesn’t like them
😃️ Banning harmless things because a dictator doesn’t like them, People’s Republic of China/Union of Soviet Socialist Republics/any other “leftist” dictatorship
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Banning harmless things because a dictator doesn’t like them
What if they’re banning harmful things?
Tolc@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Hilarious you called those states dictatorship, they are/were infact more democratic than liberal democracies
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
“tankie leftist” is a meaningless term and “tankie” is only used as a pejorative against socialists/communists.. It’s ignorant and combative language. I’m completely unsurprised that you are downvoted for that.
binux@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
This is framing the term “tankie” disingenuously if not intentionally. According to the Wikipedia article:
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
It’s only ‘ignorant and combative’ in the same way that people call right-wing authoritarianism fascism, which is perfectly reasonable if not sympathetically misguided. Not to mention socialism isn’t apart of the description at all as you’ve described it.
I also find it funny that your source for the meaning of tankie is from lemmy.ml, as if that isn’t the exact instance this post is criticizing. It would be like if I corrected someone on the meaning of the term “Jew” by sourcing Mein Kampf.
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
Who defines “acts of repression”? Capitalists? Western Imperialists who commit acts of repression daily? It’s not a good faith argument. Many of the “acts of repression” usually listed [by western media, western/capitalist countries] can almost always be debunked or explained with nuance. For example the comment by the other user that “Xi is literal dictator” … I can’t even take this comment seriously.
It’s only ‘ignorant and combative’ in the same way that people call right-wing authoritarianism fascism
It’s ignorant and combative because it hand waves away all successful socialist states (China, Cuba, etc) without any nuance.
Not to mention socialism isn’t apart of the meaning at all as you’ve described it.
Socialism and Communism are one in the in the same according to Marx. As we use the terms today, from actual Socialists, is that Socialism is a beginning, transitory state before full Communism. This is the general agreed upon consensus at a high level. Among non-Socialists or Liberals, Socialism is usually interpreted as a “safer, more desirable, version of Communism”, whatever that means. As such, using the the term “tankie” insults Socialists and Communists alike, as we’re all working towards the same goal.
I also find it funny that your source for the meaning of tankie is from lemmy.ml
Where was I supposed to find a succinct rebuttal to this other than the people against whom the term is used? Wikipedia? Fox News? Where? Talk about bias…
It would be like if I corrected someone on the meaning of the term “Jew” by sourcing Mein Kampf.
False equivalence and you know it.
leftascenter@jlai.lu 1 day ago
Not to mention socialism isn’t apart of the meaning at all as you’ve described it.
Have you tried clicking on the “authoritarian communists” link for a definition?
hitwright@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Tankie here is mostly used against people who are extremely anti US, to the point that they choose to ignore or excuse all the crimes against humanity caused by other Imperialistic nations. Ex. Russia, China
Mostly to quickly point out, that the person is a campist and will ignore other side arguments
You’re arguing, about false use of a term, but the term has another meaning. You shouldn’t ignore it
inb4 but muh dictionary…
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
people who are extremely anti US
The US has committed way more atrocities than either of those countries you listed. We literally just kidnapped a democratically elected leader without any due process a few months ago and everybody just plum forgot about it. We’ve started countless wars. We still have Guantanamo Bay operating. We orchestrated the genocide of millions via the Jakarta Method. We sanction and embargo countries with the EXPLICIT purpose (as admitted by the CIA) of inflicting as much human misery on the populace as possible. Our history with genocide of Natives, slavery, jim crowe, prison slavery … I’m sorry but the USA fucking sucks. I say that as a citizen who thinks we deserve better. The world deserves better. If that makes me a “tankie” … so be it. I will continue to fight for what’s right.
to the point that they choose to ignore or excuse all the crimes against humanity caused by other Imperialistic nations. Ex. Russia, China
Russia … ehh, I always argue that most Communists, because we are anti-imperialist, can see the reasons for Russia doing what Russia is doing, which is broadly reacting to NATO expansion. What I mean is, we can acknowledge how problematic Western Imperialism and NATO expansion close to Russia (or anywhere, really…) is. Nobody is really pro-Putin, very few. He’s a capitalist. We don’t like Capitalists.
It’s like the Cuban Missile Crisis. It’s always framed as “big, bad, and evil USSR puts nukes in Cuba because they’re big, bad, and evil!”. Nevermind that the US put nukes in Italy and Turkiye first, and rejected any peace talks with USSR. We can see the nuance and understand why Russia is doing Russia things.
As far as China … so many sinophobic arguments are easily debunked.
term has another meaning. You shouldn’t ignore it
I’ve been called a “tankie” far more than I’d like, I’m well aware of the meaning levied at me by ignorant people.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Tankie is used as pejorative to red maga
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
MAGA Communists are Strasserites despised by those called “tankies.”
qarbone@lemmy.world 1 day ago
While I don’t disagree with you, if you didn’t subscribe to the fact that authoritarians have coopted far left movements to consolidate power, it does look like you are doing a false equivalency to make a “both sides” argument. And “both sides” arguments frequently get downvoted.
goldfndr@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
While yes, there is arguably a “both sides” argument, it has been done without a false equivalency – nowhere did OP claim that the sides were equal.
qarbone@lemmy.world 1 day ago
… The “equivalency”, that is potentially false, is that both parties promote dictators as leaders/heads of state. “False equivalence” is a flexible term and doesn’t just mean “two political parties are equal”.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Definitely not the only place, but certainly one of the more predictable.
roserose56@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Don’t do the mistake I did posting a meme, don’t even bother going in this instance, don’t bother at all.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s because what you meant is accurately understood as a false dichotomy coming from decades of Western propaganda and completely useless to whatever discussion you were having. Remember: tankie is the new commie, and you’re (most likely) just the new generation of imperialist Westerners because the show has to go on, they just changed the words a little while keeping the same narrative dynamics.
And I’m too monotheistic and grounded in reality regarding current idpol Western nonsense for .ml, they downvote and ban me often so it’s not like I’m part of the in-group, I’m just a bit more aware than you, ig.
taygaloocat@leminal.space 2 days ago
I understand what they’re trying to do, and I’m sympathetic to the idea of wanting a well-intentioned authoritarian after decades of failing capitalist democracies, but freedom and individual rights are so hard to gain and so easy to lose and I believe they’re worth fighting for.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Perhaps, but I really don’t think that’s the take over there, I think they think you’re fighting strawmen.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
you don’t. no one here wants a “friendly authoritarian”.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Who are “they” that changed the words? Because “tankie” didn’t come from a Western Imperialist state, and it is not remotely the “new commie”. I’m proud to call myself a communist, but I would never call myself a tankie, because I don’t believe in authoritarianism, no matter who is in charge.
You seem like a good person with their priorities straight, I don’t believe you deserve to have a master
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
The term “tankie” originated in the UK in regard to opposing responses to the Hungarian uprising, which has since been declassified as yet another US backed coup attempt. Authoritarian communists are the only ones who don’t get fucked by the CIA, simple as.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’m too monotheistic
Cringest shit I’ve read lately
lbfgs@programming.dev 2 days ago
Marxist-Leninist ideology explicitly calls for the dictatorship of the proletariat. I wouldn’t want it either, but this is basically like going to a religious forum and advocating atheism (i.e. pointless).
merdaverse@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
You don’t seem to understand what Marx means by dictatorship of the proletariat. His idea of implementation of the dictatorship of the proletariat was the Paris Commune, which had universal suffrage, elected and immediately recallable delegates (a better and more democratic concept that the political clownshow we have in parliamentary democracy). I suggest reading past the name of the concept before talking nonsense.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 2 days ago
The lack of context… also were you talking about China by any chance ?
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Because your ignorance doesn’t understand a dictatorship of the proletariat under communism isn’t the same as a dictatorship under fascism
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 2 days ago
Your comment sounds like you are not replying to the meme, but are calling someone (idk who, the meme isn’t about an individual?) a tankie. My instance doesn’t have down votes but this is what I understand then to be for: identifying posts and replies that are off topic or do not contribute to the discussion.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 days ago
any ml instance is a blight.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 days ago
.ml deleted yet another comment I made on a normal news article pretty much saying something similar about authoritarians. And the mod had the balls to chastise me after deleting my comment and butwhatabout-ing “American imperialism” or some BS.
I would have never even commented had I realized it was .ml. What a bullshit place that is, their private little Pravda and Memory Hole.
go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Congrats, you get fascist rigtoids then 🤷♂️
themaninblack@lemmy.world 2 days ago
A lot of nonsense apologia in these comments. Motivated reasoning and carefully cherry-picked sources. A fixation on the long history of western imperialist propaganda. Edgy contrarianism, ultimately.
What you won’t see much of:
Direct and lengthy criticism of China (the kind that isn’t just damage control)
Citations from respectable research journals
Teens and Chinese agents, it is late, go to bed, you’ve got TikTok tomorrow.
Zomg@piefed.world 2 days ago
Grimy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
No context and the thread itself seems deleted? Or this is from weeks ago? Weird sub for this as well. This feels sus.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Lol no you’re just living in a bubble
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 day ago
What was the context?
stoly@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I got banned in a hard way from a lot of those sub and not on purpose. A simple comment here or there would set off an attack storm from people who sort all comments by new and look for it.
These people are no different than the militant PETA types.
TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 day ago
idk bro im in america and i gotta say id take a tankie authoritarian just to have a little revenge on the right wing authoritarians, then hopefully society will have had enough strongmen for the rest of my life.
Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Well yea, of course you would. That’s the typical american thought process that lead to trump.
“I would vote for someone who would hurt everyone because I think they they would hurt the people that I don’t like more”
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 27 minutes ago
Delusional