dream_weasel

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⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨This is real⁩ ⁨⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:
Totally reasonable like I said, just very punchy so it’s hard to tell if I just walked into something.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨An apple a day, ... Ah well, fuck it.⁩ ⁨⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:
I choose to believe that you’re getting 1 guy a day to 21 every day of the month.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Dawg...⁩ ⁨⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:
Worst lunch ever.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨This is real⁩ ⁨⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:
You make enough sense in the points you make.

Responding these things to the post at hand is what makes no sense. It sure looks like either you’ve got an idea in the chamber waiting for a soapbox at best and shilling at worst. I kind of doubt the shill line, but everything you wrote is stereotypical Lemmy and landlords which is unusually asymmetric commentary for a post about how not to get evicted.

This tastes weird. I don’t disagree with you, but I feel like I’m in an advertisement and I don’t like it.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨This is real⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:
You got that from this post?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Just reach out⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:
Looks fun!

“Nowadays” though, for the unaware.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨💩.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
Thanks!
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨💩.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
Ugh. Blegh. I tried it the second time and my second opinion is still the same as my first opinion.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨💩.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
I mean this is fine for looks, but what do I do if it looks hard but feels weird in my pocket, or if it tastes really bad?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Cause and Effect⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
Bro, come down out of your own asshole.

Your real, no kidding argument is that this meme template best explains that people believe windmills cause cancer / vaccines cause autism / XYZ crazy thing is that the current state of education is * checks notes * “slave conditioning” and patents are being conspiratorially hidden for “emancipating technologies”? Really?

This to you is a rational following of the discussion and context, not itself a wild non sequitur (note the spelling)?

I don’t care what branch of philosophy you’re studying or what argument logic piques your interest because it just isnt relevant here. You’ve shoehorned an unrequested and unsubstantiated conspiracy theory into a post about people believing improbable and/or deranged things. And no, making your own footnote isnt a substantiation.

You can’t “I am very smart” this into making sense, even by miscounting logical fallacies or trying to couch it as an epistemological discussion which this is not.

Just… yikes.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Cause and Effect⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
Total sidetrack and total missing the point.

I didn’t say “taxes are good” or “current education is good”.

The problem I posed is that knowledge transfer is an essential skill and people who are bad at it are–I would suppose–both oblivious to it and easier to take advantage of.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Cause and Effect⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Should add a sentence to top panel that says “they should teach useful things in school like how to do your taxes!”

spoiler alert: that’s just reading and basic math applied to something besides a test for a grade.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What's the most offensive word I can use that isn't a slur?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
You could argue that if you make up the argument I guess.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨whatever happened to in-store coffee grinders?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
I want to know why people who would buy whole beans would grind them in the store.

I often wish that you couldn’t even buy the same brands of coffee either ground or whole bean. The disappointment of accidentally getting a bag of pre ground coffee at some random coarseness is real.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨How do I stop sleeping through everything?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Not sure how you get yours, but I’ve always been a coffee drinker. I cut my caffeine way down by slowly mixing more decaf into the grind when I make the pot. Instead of drinking half a pot or a pot of regular, now I get the equivalent of about a cup or cup and a half if that and it was easy to do.

If it’s soda you could experiment with drinking it from a big cup and doing the same trick mixing in decaf maybe?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨BREAKING NEWS: We did it, guys! 20 poptarts!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
That took me much longer to figure out than I would admit to in person.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨BREAKING NEWS: We did it, guys! 20 poptarts!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
I showed my wife at 14 and she was not impressed. At 20 she is impressed.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨do you use non violent communication at the workplace?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
I will also say I like the part where I gave you the win in a cordial thread of the no stupid questions community wherein I admitted I understand the historical value of the term now even though I don’t like it, but you couldnt accept. When you can’t convince me to like it you just gotta tell me what my problem is, downvote every comment, and go home.

The problem here may well be opinion vs expertise, but every time someone brings up skilled and unskilled labor (for example) I do it. As do all of us experts who have an important message, and we should be doing it patiently and without judgement.

So let me, at the close, suggest to you that you go back to the very top and see how your attempt at direct, nonviolent communication came up way short. I think there is value in the approach and there’s value in expertise, but for an “expert” in the field, I find this exchange to be equal parts tone deaf, insightful, and ultimately officious/petulant/immature. This sure felt like some undergraduate level dick measuring bullshit to me 🤷.

Next time I hope you try to destigmatize mental health issues broadly not specifically, and someone calls you out in the same way every time you short circuit a discussion by suggesting that’s why whoever you’re addressing “doesn’t get it”.

Have a great day!
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨do you use non violent communication at the workplace?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Let it be a lesson when you write your book to choose a better name, then. You won’t have to work against the grain. It will also go easier if you don’t suggest that anyone who disagrees with you has some form of mental health disorder, but that would be nit picking.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨do you use non violent communication at the workplace?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
The dictionary definition reflects common usage, and we are only having this discussion because I backed up someone else who had the same thought based on, you know, common usage. I’m happy to hear the trivialization for the scenario I described doesnt happen based on your experience. I still don’t like the wording, but then, I don’t have to.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨do you use non violent communication at the workplace?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
I was not considering violence as a spectrum. Since your last comment, I did some background research and saw that “nonviolent communication” has its roots in a book that came out at the same time that non-violent protest was being put to effective use. In that context it does make sense.

To make sure I wasn’t crazy, I did just google the definition of violence and the top definition is here:
```
violence
/vī′ə-ləns/
noun
Behavior or treatment in which physical force is exerted for the purpose of causing damage or injury.
```
So I appreciate the idea, I don’t prefer the terminology, but I suppose I shouldn’t be hung up about it.

I do take issue with this though:

You are, indeed, conflating all of violence and reducing it to just assault. Which is hurtful and trivializes the suffering of victims of harassment, rape, and many more. Yours is the same logic by which rapists argue that it was not “actual” rape.

My point is the opposite. I think the trivialization goes the other way. Suppose we have a group session for victims of violence. This gradient point now means that a rape survivor, the domestic abuse survivor, and the victim of some race related beat down sit with someone who gets called names on XBox Chat. Are they all victims? Absolutely. Can they be reasonably lumped into the same group? I would think no, but then this is not my area of expertise.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The Independent tries to hijack their reader's swipe meant to leave the site to send them further into it instead⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Idk why we had to get rid of swipe up from the bottom where the 3 icons used to always be. Now if you want to get at all the open stuff I have to execute a corner.

That first day was a real bitch and a half.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨do you use non violent communication at the workplace?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
The more I write about it in this thread the more I agree that “nonviolent communication” implies “violent communication” which feels like an equivalence between words and physical assault.

I’m all for people communicating in a way that is civil, unambiguous, and direct, but this lexical appropriation sure sounds like manufactured fragility at best, or—as you say—a trivialization of physical violence.

(And I sure hope — shows as an em-dash)
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨do you use non violent communication at the workplace?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Thank you for a thoughtful comment, unfortunately I don’t have time right now to read it as carefully as I would like, but I have two short points:
1. I think you misread the first guy (or one of us did). I understand the statement is not “nonviolent communication is violent” but rather calling distasteful communication “violent communication” both increases the threat posed by words alone and decreases the value of the word “violence” in a physical context. Basically it is better for me to call you an asshole than to punch you in the face, so let’s not equate them with terminology.
2. It may also be possible that your time in psych and corrections makes you more likely to see sociopathy when you’ve potentially misread or misunderstood which is, itself, potentially harmful to getting a message across.
I will basically never tell someone “seek help for XXX” unless I’m being wildly sarcastic or intentionally combative in either case.

Gotta get my kids but I’ll be around later.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Fair enough.

So “because so like it” in this context should give way to the more honest:

“I prefer to safeguard the perceived value of my own house than to support my local native ecology. NIMBY”. I would wager this is a fairly common perspective.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
All well and good I suppose, but you realize you’re also projecting your value system onto other people.

Are you a vegan?

Do you have a car?

Have you voted in every possible election?

Ever bought Nestle products? Or something that was available locally but you got it from a super chain instead?

Etc etc.

Why?

If any of your answers are “because it is or isn’t convenient, or you just like it or want to” you’ve stepped into the same situation you’re arguing against. One side of each of those is that is is (or isn’t) good for the environment, for society, for community, or similar. Everybody does at least one thing that either isn’t good because of our priorities which are generally “things we want” when there are good reasons to do something else. If the worst thing someone does is has a lawn, well, the infractions could be much worse. Like killing others, to beat a dead zebra.

Sure it seems wonky when you spotlight it in isolation, but we are all fighting our “biggest issue” and rewilding doesn’t have to be that issue unilaterally.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
I appreciate the call out that a natural replacement of local plants is low maintenance, not NO maintenance. The front of your house doesn’t have to look like you died in the bathtub the winter before.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨do you use non violent communication at the workplace?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Were this the tone of your first comment I wouldn’t have written mine. This could have been the case even still alluding to alleged “sociopathy” from dissatisfaction with a neologism or turn of phrase.

I do still appreciate a gracious and cool headed response.

To the point of stigma, if I were on the receiving end, it’s less about the mental health suggestion and more about being dismissive of a perspective and writing it off as sociopathy. In your broken leg example, it would not be offensive to suggest a person gets help for a broken leg (you can see it’s broken), but it WOULD be offensive if you said “you wouldn’t have that broken leg if you lost some weight. You should go get some help” especially if that has nothing to do with why their leg is broken. People don’t usually respond positively to public speculations on medical conditions, and that’s double extra true when it’s derisive and offered up as a dismissal to a question, perspective, or circumstance.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
This is also very easily flipped though.

If you are rewilding your lawn “because you like it” but signed an agreement to maintain the lawn and house to a certain specification, then complain about enforcement when you don’t keep up your end, YTA.

With respect to murdering, there is a social contract or a legal “contract” that says you absolutely can’t, so this argument obviously doesn’t work. “Because I like it” only holds up when there’s no contact at all and then it goes both ways. “Actual problem” has to be agreed in advance of complaining about taking action or not.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨do you use non violent communication at the workplace?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
So you choose violence eh? I invite you to practice what you are preaching so you don’t communicate like a violent sociopath.

… or an insufferable and supercilious lemming.

I don’t care who is “right” in a discussion about communication style, the last guy made some points in good faith and gave an opportunity for discussion, and instead of engaging you start suggesting this other person has mental problems?

Stop being this way.