iirc mice don’t have the same response to capsaicin as humans - they can taste it, and don’t particularly like the taste, but it doesn’t cause them pain like it does in humans?
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Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ummthatguy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m sure birds are immune as well as Steve-O, can’t say for sure of rodents.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 year ago
From a tiny amount of reading (and a complete lack of a biology degree…) it’s that the rodent taste buds just react differently to the capsaicin, so it doesn’t hit the sodium channels in the pain receptor ‘stack’ in the same way as it does in humans.
I think.
proudblond@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is interesting. A popular squirrel deterrent for bird feeders is to put spicy stuff on the seed. I’ve been trying that lately and the squirrels have completely left my bird feeder alone. So there must be something rodents don’t like — unless squirrels are just built different?
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Squirrels just need to nut up.
ftbd@feddit.org 1 year ago
I thought all mammals responded to capsaicin
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Seeing the videos of goats just casually chomping through the carolina reapers, I would bet there are differences in species.
DampCanary@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You thought right, at least based on this research:
saltesc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I assume so. I have had critters gorging on my ghosts and reapers in the garden. Losing an entire plant overnight was the last straw so I have webbing up now, but they were clearly unaffected.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Lost a plant with peppers on it? I wonder what OG was eating that.
DampCanary@lemmy.world 1 year ago
By this researcher they do feel the “pain” from it:
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Am I just missing where they claim that? From the conclusion:
Altering the palatability of this feed to rodents through the addition of capsaicin may greatly enhance traditional methods of increasing poison bait acceptance on poultry operations
That they avoid taste has nothing to do with the ‘pain’ experienced as a result of consuming it - in the preceding section they discuss other strategies to increase bait acceptance, including adding rodenticide to preferred bait foods. That rodents do not like the taste isn’t really in question, that they have a pain response to consuming it is.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I never understood sweets with spiciness added. It just ruins the whole experience for me. Spicy on savoury foods is fine but not on primarily sweet ones.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I dunno. I like my chili flavoured candy.
Beside, wasn’t chocolate traditionally eaten with chili by the natives? Or was it a spicy coco drink…?
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Chocolate isn’t sweet, it’s bitter. You have to add a lot of sugar to get the sweet chocolate we’re familiar with. The Mayan and Aztec versions of hot chocolate were more like a spicy coffee than the sweet drink we have now.
EchoCranium@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I’ll occasionally make up coffee in the morning with chocolate, cinnamon, and a few shakes of cayenne pepper. Coffee shop I went to once did the same thing, called it an Aztec Mocha. Very good.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Chili flavored? ewww. Cinnamon flavored? Oh yeah! Turn that spicy up!
Tiger666@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
It’s amazing how all humans are different.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
A lot of Asian foods are spicy/sweet; it is great.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah but are they spicy sweets/desserts?
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Agree with slight exception: Pineapple, Jalapeno, Pepperoni on pizza. Just the right amount of sweet, spicy, and salty on the savory base. Shit slaps.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That could work. But it is as I said not primarily meant tobe sweet.
halferect@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Add goat cheese to that and it’s the best pizza
Ifera@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Honestly, thst is very subjective. I love tamarind and pepper candy, vanilla ice cream with spicy chips, and honey plus roasted chillies marinade for pork.
And I say this as someone who is not into spicy food, there are a few combinations out there, where the sweet and spicy mix actually work great for a snack.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Good for you.
I do like spicy food in fact but spicy sweets were always offputing to me.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I’ve tried a few mild chilli chocolates and they’ve been pretty good. Not too sweet though, actual chocolates.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
This variety is for the challenge of it, not the enjoyment of eating it.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well this one is but many are not.
Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Sweetness increases your tolerance for heat. The Scoville unit basically tells you how much sugar water it takes to mask the spiciness.
Jarix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What?
Scoville is exactly how much water it takes to neutralize the capsaicin until you can’t detect it.
Which as different people have different tolerance it’s really not a precise method, and prone to mixed results for individuals.
It has nothing to do with sugar. Most people find sugar intensifies capsaicin
RattlerSix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not eating any food that advertises what it will do to your asshole. We’re adults here, you can just say it’s hot. You don’t have to say “We are very proud of the way our product will absolutely Sept 11th the hole you shit from.” It’s not necessary to bring my asshole into this.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
well 9/11 was an inside job
NutWrench@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Spezi@feddit.org 1 year ago
Caused by gut flora
nialv7@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ok but what about a soothing breeze anus chocolate bar?
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
Citrus kiss
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Might be more of a Deepwater Horizon situation?
altphoto@lemmy.today 1 year ago
That’s how California fires get started.
Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
jballs@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Why does that look like Mickey is busting a nut?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
… that might actually be a … rather inhumane, but ‘effective’ form of pest control for mice.
I… did not know that anyone made fucking ghost pepper grade chocolate, but yeah, that would lure in and then potentiall kill, if not seriously injure or at least dissuade mice.
Its like sugar + borax for ants and such, sheesh.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
No one does. It isn’t a 2.2 million shu chocolate bar. It just has a very small amount of Carolina reaper pepper as an ingredient in the bar. Most of those hot sauces with goofy names are the same way. “Satan’s lBunghole made with 6,000,000 pepper extract” Yeah. Made with like a drop of extract so the sauce is more like 200,000 scoville.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 year ago
dissuade “fuck this shit I am moving from this house”
Sprinklelicious@feddit.online 1 year ago
One of those things you buy but never to actually eat. I remember my brother bought me a beer that was made using yeast originally cultured from beard hairs belonging to the master Brewmaster (I believe rouge brewery made it). Could never bring myself to drink it. Sat in my shelf for years as more of a keep sake.
frog@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Yeah… this is worse than my sister buying me candy with ants…
Botzo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Beard beer! Yeah, rogue was definitely playing with things at the time (remember voodoo donut?). Gotta keep in mind this brewer had been brewing in a yeast laden environment for many years.
I feel like I remember reading white labs sampled it and found it was a combo of several of their strains.
Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 year ago
And then there’s the polish beer, made from yeast culture from a couple of models kootchies.
Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
That’s fucking disgusting. Are they valuable? I pull one of those of my bath drain every couple of years if he ever needs another one.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Those bars are fine to eat, though. Spicy chocolate tastes good and the 2.2 million advertising is BS. They contain a tiny amount of pepper from 2 million+ scoville Carolina reaper peppers. Diluted down as the last ingredient in the chocolate bar makes it way, way, lower.
JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Reminds me of the time I lost an entire day to the fucking One Chip Challenge.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
I’m the “spicy guy” of my circle of people I know, so I always get brought in the challenge things and hottest x to try. Had the gummies and jerky, and beer, and all sorts of things. The chip has been the only one that I’d actually say was hot. Mouth was fine, but it made my stomach hurt for like 10 minutes.
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Some products like this should be required to have dangerous chemical signs on them.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 year ago
I don’t think that the mouse would have understood them.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
It’s advertising bs. The chocolate isn’t that hot. It isn’t 2.2 million scoville. It had a tiny amount of 2.2 million scoville pepper mixed into the chocolate. That pepper is dead last on the ingredients list. You’d have a harder time eating half a habanero.
JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Dogs and cats can’t taste capsaicin, can mice?
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Wait, do mice like chocolate? Can they eat chocolate? Or is this one of those the-dog-will-shit-itself-to-death things?
cannon_annon88@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Yeah, that mouse is dead.
racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
WTH is this pic?
Who holds a chocolate bar like that?
Who would have such a piece of finger nail?
Chisav@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The thumb. No person would hold that like that. And look at Nutrition facts.
Chisav@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ai still has trouble with hands.
ummthatguy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Much as I love spicy foods/hot sauce, this weapons grade shit is just silly.
I once signed a waiver to purchase a spicy chicken sandwich and will never do so again.
sheridan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I had the same sandwich (Dave’s Hot Chicken reaper sandwich). I assumed it was just a marketing stunt. After one bite I had to go back and get a milkshake so I could sip it between bites to finish the damn sandwich.
garbagebagel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh was it made with Dave’s Hot Sauce? I had a customer bring in his own Ultimate Insanity hot sauce to use in a Prairie Fire shot (tequila+hot sauce). Shit looked ROUGH. He let me keep the hot sauce after though and it became one of my partner’s favourites.
qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I find it hard to understand how a potentially hazardous to health food item is even allowed.
What is this obcession with ever increasing level of spice in food, lately?
Because at some point it all the flavour just goes away, replaced by a hefty dose of pain.
ummthatguy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Spice will give you an approximation of a “runner’s high” without the tedious mucking about of exercise. There is, of course, an upper limit which too many products tip past.
untorquer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It can be fun to safely experience sensory extremes. Many people get an endorphin/dopamine rush from it.
Other than some gut irritation it’s not a significant hazard. Like yeah keep it safely stored from sensitive people and poets also it’s probably not the best road trip snack or whatever. Certainly less dangerous than alcohol, fireworks, cigarettes or texting while driving.
treadful@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Because it’s fun. Live a little.
shneancy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
in the past i thought eating spicy food made me look cool and manly, but then i realised i’m missing out on the flavour of foods and understood i was being silly. so now i mostly stick to mild foods, with the occasional spicy food for varity’s sake but only if i can actually taste the flavour of said food through the spice
but that’s just me
Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 year ago
self inflicted pain with no scars or prema damage, as long as it’s below pepper spray.
Opisek@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I realize I’m a special case, but my nose is essentially non-functional—I don’t smell food. While my sense of taste is more sensitive than your average person, I suspect I still miss out on some kinds of flavour. I believe my impairment is why I am drawn towards strong tastes like cheeses or, indeed, extremely spicy food. They’re the “only” flavours that I really experience strongly.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
My mouth is broken and I love really spicy stuff. Like, still haven’t met someone in person who likes things as spicy as I like them.
FYI to the Flaming Anus chocolate bar: it’s advertising hype BS. Like most hot sauces yelling out some high scoville number. All that big “2.2 million scoville” on the packaging here is actually just referencing that it has Carolina reaper pepper in the chocolate, and that those peppers can be up to 2.2 million scoville.
But the peppers are dead last on the ingredient list. Each bar has very little in it. If I ate a Carolina reaper pepper rated over 2 million even I would hate it and it would burn and I’d feel like my insides wanted to die. But the chocolate bar here is just a spicy little snack.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
A guy after my own heart. Do you like vinegar based hot sauces? If not, which sauces do you go for? I’ve struggled for years to find decent sauces and have only found Melinda’s and my own sauces to tolerate.
Paradachshund@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Not the guy you responded to, but I also love hot sauce. I usually stock franks, yellowbird’s red jalapeño sauce (forget the name), and cholula or Valentina if I don’t feel like paying for it. I also had this really awesome green hot sauce from El Pato brand, but I haven’t ever seen it again. Hopefully someday!
ummthatguy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Vinegar tends to be too forward. I go for the stuff you’ll find in a Mexican market or “ethnic” aisle of a grocery store. Peppers being an ingredient higher than most others beyond water catch my eye. Melinda’s is alright, though I’ve seen them branch out quite a bit from their more humble beginnings.
insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 1 year ago
I don’t like vinegary too much (or smoke/fermented flavor etc), I like El Yucateco Red*.
Though it is a bit expensive for a tiny bottle. So I made a few big bottles trying my own spin* from garden habaneros (orange) and liked how it turned out.
* I see the key ingredients: distilled white vinegar, citric acid, xantham gum
Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Ah, a fellow Melinda’s enjoyer! I love they’re Ghost Pepper sauce in particular (though it’s fairly mild for a Ghost Pepper sauce). My only complaint with Melinda’s, is that they consistently use too much carrot in their sauces. But otherwise they’re really great!