without causing harm to animals
- Humans are animals
- Growing me-steak and eating it causes psychic damage
- Therefore, an animal was harmed
Ah sweet!
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edgemaster72@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Godric@lemmy.world 3 months ago
If we cultured cells from someone with an autocannibalism fetish, would it then be OK?
Like I take 1d4 psychic damage whenever I see furries at cons, but I don’t think they should have to be banned
Ziglin@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I don’t think you can generalize that. I’d love to have little me-steaks and I’d even share them with friends, especially if they can be a Möbius strip.
As long as the human chooses to grow their me-steaks themselves I see no issue.
Vilian@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Just don’t get psychic damage, skill issue ngl
Pulptastic@midwest.social 3 months ago
Incoming: nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone’s will.
curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 months ago
Imagine the network of Taylor Swift DNA trading.
And you know someone is going to fuck it.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 3 months ago
What are the ethics of fucking a steak made from a non-consenting Taylor Swift’s tissue sample?
Emerald@lemmy.world 3 months ago
nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone’s will.
Meat is already produced without consent and much more violently then taking samples.
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
But how else will we know which neighbor tastes the best?
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
Wasn’t there a short story about this?
Pulptastic@midwest.social 3 months ago
I remember a magic school bus episode about kid flavored ice cream
Soulg@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Of course it’s ethical, unless I’m seriously misunderstanding something you literally have to make the decision to buy it and then partake in it.
I guess you can use it unethically but by default intended usage it’s fine
cheddar@programming.dev 3 months ago
To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical. I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird, but not unethical.
Decoy321@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird,
I mean, it’s basically homemade spam. It’s kinda weird.
DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 3 months ago
To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical.
I think most people would actually consider factory farming unethical, they just put the blame on the producers for treating animals like shit. And the producers are locked into a race to the bottom for competitive prices, so they’d blame the customers/market conditions.
Zetta@mander.xyz 3 months ago
Haha I’ve been saying for fucking years that boutique lab growing meat outlets will pop up selling exotic animal meats and celebrity human meat. We are getting close to that future
fellowmortal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Its not the ‘eat the rich’ that I was hoping for… Might be the one we deserve.
HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 3 months ago
“I’ll take a burger, mediums rare, & let’s do a 50/50 blend of Ground Chuck & Beyoncé on Sourdough.”
Donebrach@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Wreched vore future unlocked.
Good_morning@lemmynsfw.com 3 months ago
What are the chances this doesn’t result in a rise of (traditional) cannibalism? High profile cannibalism case where they tasted a sample of a celebrity and went for the real deal.
can@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
That wasn’t on my bingo card…
NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Would any of you care to taste my meat?
JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I bet I taste delicious!
This is ethical despite it walking the line of taboo. It hurts no one, and if the tissue sample can be extracted at home without causing damage to the donor I see no issue with it.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s unethical because it’s gross and I don’t like it.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 months ago
This guy understands the root of ethics
bustAsh@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Why not take the cells of farm animals and create steaks, etc?
LwL@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Sure, but where’s the upside? (ethically, not sure if consuming your own meat could have some sort of weird effect on you, even though afaik the usual cannibalism issues wouldn’t apply). If anything it’s more ethical to take it from yourself because you consent to it, the farm animal probably doesn’t.
LotrOrc@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I would be worried about disease first, but if it’s your own cells maybe there’s less chance? Prions are terrifying
My second question would be taste
If there’s no disease and it tastes good then fuck yeah all in
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Those cannibals who got prions ate human brain.
blindbunny@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Theoretically, if you don’t consume any of spine or nervous system, you should be good.
filcuk@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
I can’t grow me a spine steak?
What even is the point then
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Unless you already have prions from CJD you can’t catch Kuru by eating yourself. You have to actually eat someone who already has prions to catch it. Even then you have to eat nervous system tissue to be at a significant risk.
Agent641@lemmy.world 3 months ago
What if I want to grow my steak into a hollow-cylinder shape, and also, not eat it, per-se?
x4740N@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Don’t you get prions from canibalism
Also if this costs less than supermarket meat I could buy some beef and clone it
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Yes and no. You get prions from eating a person that’s also infected with prions. Basically if you eat cloned meat of yourself it should be fine as you either already have prions, or you don’t already have prions. Prions manifest as either CJD if you got it naturally or Kuru if you got it through canibalism.
Quereller@lemmy.one 3 months ago
Is muscle tissue even infectious? (Especially when grown from a few cells) Don’t you need to eat some brain or spinal cord?
roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s unethical because you can’t safely perform muscle biopsies at home, thus it is a violation of the duty of care, and culturing simple squamous epithelium and calling it meat is lying, which is a fundamental ethical violation.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
But couldn’t you just grow one steak and then take cells from it to grow more?
velvetThunder@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
I think you would get the copy of a copy problem. DNA in cells degrade overtime. I think with lab grown meat this is much worse than normal human aging.
lunarul@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Cells were collected from a cheeck swab. And it’s not a real product, it’s an art project.
roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah I know. Cheek cells are stratified squamous epithelium.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I would try this in a fucking heartbeat
PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Fuck yeah, I might lose weight!
TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Ethically sourced human? Same. Sign me the fuck up. Not for a subscription or anything, but I really want to try it.
molten@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Fuck, I’ve always wanted to eat human meat anyway. I’d kill for a sample like this. I don’t care about morals here. I’m a vegetarian. I just want to know. If my buddy was like “ayy we’re eating Dan from accounting’s arm tonight” I’d be there with no questions asked. The police can sort it out.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 3 months ago
I mean, if you’d kill for that you don’t need the kit.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
I’d kill for a sample like this.
oh boy do I have something to tell you
cheddar@programming.dev 3 months ago
I don’t want to eat human meat, but I don’t mind if you kill that asshole from accounting.
xavier666@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Fun fact : Human meat is an excellent source of protein 🤓
interrobang@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
Thats what im thinking- i rarely eat meat but how could i pass up ethical long pig? Im too curious
devAlot@lemmy.world 3 months ago
fetal bovine serum (FBS)… is derived from the blood of calf fetuses after their pregnant mothers are slaughtered by the meat or dairy industry.
I did not know this… and after reading the wiki, I found it rather disturbing…
The first stage of the production process for FBS is the harvesting of blood from the bovine fetus after the fetus is removed from the slaughtered cow. The fetus dies from the lack of oxygen by remaining in the protective environment of the uterus for a minimum of 15–20 minutes after the cow is dead…
yamanii@lemmy.world 3 months ago
By what technicality this isn’t cannibalism?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 months ago
“Eat my ass!”
“Don’t mind if I do.”
ignotum@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Man-made man-steaks beyond my comprehension
VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
The perfect gift for RimWorld players.
NegativeInf@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yes. You consented. It’s just more you.
Zip2@feddit.uk 3 months ago
What if you have cancer and don’t know it, and just accidentally happen to grow a tumour for dinner?
AbidingOhmsLaw@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
soylent me?
Rolder@reddthat.com 3 months ago
Isn’t cannibalism a good way to get prion based diseases? Or is that only if you eat other people
Fleur__@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Anyone who thinks this is okay can suck my lab grown dick
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 3 months ago
Completely ethical why would it not be?
AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Remember that guy on Reddit who claims he had to have his leg amputated and he somehow got to keep it, and he and his friends cooked and ate it?
That’s weird, but as long as it remains their own, or consenting others, I think it’s fine. The minute capitalism gets involved I think it becomes exploitative and unethical - long pork in the grocery store fundamentally should not be a thing.
Emerald@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Also I want to hear from you, is it ethical and why?
I don’t see why not. It hurts nobody, except maybe yourself. Not sure what the nutrition is on this thing.
DogWater@lemmy.world 3 months ago
My hunch is that, as proposed, this is the most ethical form of meat consumption because the meat is being taken and consumed with consent from the donor. (Yourself) And there’s no living creature that even suffers from the process
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 months ago
auto cannibalism?
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
I’m not eating bugs, I’m not drinking water made from my own shit, I’m not going to live in a pod, I’m not eating “steak” made from my own body.
This is literally something in CardsAgainstHumanity
“Auto cannibalism…the new fad diet”
Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I mean you have to buy it on your own accord, culture your own cells, and then successfully cook and eat them. As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
Ibaudia@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This will become a sex thing for sure
Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 3 months ago
I made a post about that a while ago: feddit.uk/post/14228639
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
There’s a (pretty great) movie where cannibalism is treated as a substitute for sex. It’s called Aamis.
x4740N@lemm.ee 3 months ago
3D printed cell scaffolds combined with this mean you can shape them
Now I wonder if someone has actually tried making a dildo from cultured flesh and skin
Godric@lemmy.world 3 months ago
But it’s still cannibalism, yeah? If someone consented to be eaten before they died or even wished for it, would you be OK with eating them?
Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 months ago
We have to draw some sort of line here though. Will this give you prions? Does this end the persons life like traditional cannibalism usually does? Theres a lot to unpack in these tiny man steaks. I’d still rather people be growing their own meat at home in a petri dish than having animals locked in cages for eternity.
jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
are they yummy ?
Astronauticaldb@lemmy.world 3 months ago
So, if it were the original cells, then it would be autocannibalism, since these are cloned cells (from what I gather) it’s technically not the same thing.
garbagebagel@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This is unironically one of my favourite questions to ask new friends. I’ve gotten a variety of answers, but my own response has always been yes, if the person was healthy and had clearly consented.
In my opinion, cannibalism is bad for two main reasons, 1) it can be unsafe if the person was ill, the meat has spoiled, or if it’s done too often (this has been studied in cannibalistic rituals) and 2) it’s unethical if the person doesn’t consent to it.
Eating animal meat is non consensual and there can be diseases in there too - many people have died from it. Just because it’s more socially acceptable, I don’t really see it as an ethically better decision.
Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
If you’re eating yourself I think it’s autophagy
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 3 months ago
As long as it’s not coerced, yes (not the brain).
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 3 months ago
Even if you did, while super weird as long as you didn’t get the cells through violence it’s probably still more ethical than the meat industry.
Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
You can probably use some violence and still come out ahead. I don’t know how to do that math though.
dutchkimble@lemy.lol 3 months ago
And what if you don’t own a Honda?