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there is a special place in hell for these scientists

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  • Clbull@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Cortical Labs are the ones who pulled this off. They already have biological computers running on 800,000 lab-grown neurons available for ~$35,000 (just going on what a quick Google search told me) and are planning to open up a cloud computing service with its own API soon.

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  • voodooattack@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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    Finally, I know when I saved this to my phone there would be a perfect moment. (Humanity is too predictable)

    Attribution: lemmy.world/post/43077529

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    • bampop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      OK but hear me out here, I think I have the beginnings of a business plan:

      1. Create the Torment Nexus

      2. ?

      3. Profit

      Some components of the plan are still under development, but let’s not lose momentum here. We can advance with the initial phase while brainstorming to refine the plan in real time as we progress. It’s an exciting opportunity and we mustn’t forfeit our first-to-market advantage.

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    • ouRKaoS@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Scientists: “No, this isn’t The Torment Nexus, this is ‘The Nexus of Torment’! It’s totally different!”

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      • kalpol@lemmy.ca ⁨50⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        In other news, Torment (with the patches) was a really good game

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    • ViscloReader@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Wait is it a real cover? Was it made before or after squid game? It uses the same font

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  • phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have no mouth and I must Doom.

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    • outerspace@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I have no MOUSE and I must DOOM

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      • SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨5⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        The original DOOM is entirely playable on a keyboard, though. It’s essentially a 2D game, as you can’t look up or jump.

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    • Sturgist@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Honestly? Sounds preferable to being stuck in the universe of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream… I’ll take a challenging power fantasy with some massively overpowered weapons over millennia of endless physical and psychological torture by an insane AI… might just be me though…

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  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So, uh… is it any good at it?

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    • AEsheron@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      IIRC, it doesn’t actually pay the game itself. We prod the cells, they fire in a certain way and that response is read to convert it to an output for the game. The cells aren’t a rudimentary Doom bot, they’re the controller.

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  • ThePantser@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Taking “will it run doom” one step too far.

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    • tpihkal@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      We need to take it back a step and see if it’ll run Linux.

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      • new_guy@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Asking someone to compile the kernel with their mind sure is one way to give someone a headache

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      • OwOarchist@pawb.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I can imagine a new AI hellscape where LLMs are run on human brain cells in a test tube. So you’re never quite sure if you’re talking to a mere algorithm … or an enslaved proto-human who might be conscious and whose entire existence revolves around answering your inane online queries.

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    • Kowowow@lemmy.ca ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      A closer example would be if it could use the console in linux since it’s only playing dom not running it, I wonder if wetware would be any better as a coding assistant than ai

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      • duncan_bayne@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        playing dom

        I do not want to train a bioengineered intelligence with guns to do that.

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      • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Is anyone else really skeeved out by the term “wetware”, or is that just me

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    • Zink@programming.dev ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah now it’s “will it speedrun DOOM?”

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Can they run console commands?

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  • BilSabab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    can’t wait for Netflix documentary miniseries!

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    … Am I missing something, or is this not like, the practical, if not lore accuratr first step toward actually creating a:

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    • Avicenna@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      the only missing component is a minigun, robotic spyder legs and positive reinforcement coctail whenevet it kills a person.

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      • Guilvareux@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        “We decided to leave those out of our first test, staring down the barrels of a minigun during neural training were putting our scientists off”

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    • DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Next step, give it spider legs and a gattling gun!

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  • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Training brain-chip to Rip&Tear, I’m sure this can never go wrong.

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    200’000 “brian cells” (so about 1/3 of it neurons) is the equivalent to a really simple microcontroller.

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Raises uncomfortable questions about consciousness. The only difference between these neurons and your own are the number of them and the structures they form. Of course it doesn’t know what it’s doing, but… Neither do our own neurons

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    • KindnessisPunk@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean it’s the same question we’ve been asking all our lives about the animals, fetuses and now AI. When does it stop being a flowchart and start being a consciousness.

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    • luciferofastora@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Science and Ethics — the age old enmity between “I wanna know” and “I’m not allowed to find out”

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      • Sturgist@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Science and Ethics — the age old enmity between “I wanna know” and “I’m not allowed to find out” “Am I able to find out without doing something monstrously inhumane”

        FTFY

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    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Nueralink did pretty much the same thing to monkeys that are actually concision. So it this different only because those are human neurons? Is human consciousness different than animal consciousness?

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      • Turret3857@infosec.pub ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        i dont think op made a mutually exclusive statement?..

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m not sure this is quite analagous to neuralink’s monkey experiments. That said,

        So is this different only because those are human neurons?

        To my mind, a neuron is a neuron. The only difference between your brain and a monkey brain is, again, the number of neurons and the structures they form. I don’t see this as any different from monkey or rat or ant or entirely digital neurons.

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      • SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Sounds like those are uncomfortable questions being raised…

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      • Paddzr@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yes. Because it’s us. Anything not us is always going to be less valuable. You’d kill 100 lions if it means saving 1 human.

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      • MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That was just to try and make the equipment work at all, it wasn’t about doing anything with software. It’s the opposite where you’re only worried about the physical damage and infection.

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    • ziproot@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Do those neurons interact with hormones like mine do?

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    • Zacryon@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And now bring artificial neural networks, i.e., AI, into the picture to make it even more spicy.

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  • gigastasio@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s having more fun than I am.

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Maybe the real hell is the life we’ve lived along the way.

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      • MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Maybe this experience is just a higher being’s analog of Doom and we’re just cells in a petri dish running an MMORPG version it. Stupidest simulation theory ever, but hey man, we’re sorta doing it so how stupid can it be?

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      • glibg10b@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This is the bad place!

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  • Patrikvo@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I suppose anyone here who believes in reincarnation is slightly worried now.

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  • jojowakaki@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    "Scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should"

    • Micheal on his fictional book about sex changing lizards in an unconventional zoo.
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  • melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    The filthy rich are already cloning organs for longevity so this seems like child’s play. /s

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  • agedcorn@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    A ‘digital rendition of Hell’… you even Doom bro?

    Wasn’t the original Doom a digital representation of Mars and its moons: Phobos and Deimos?

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    • myrrh@ttrpg.network ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      …for the original doom, episode 1 (knee-deep in the dead) was set on phobos; episode 2 (on the shores of hell) was set on deimos hovering in the skies over hell; and episode 3 (inferno) was set down on the surface of hell itself…episode 4 (thy flesh consumed) was set back on earth after the invasion of hell, but it was an add-on released a couple years after the original game…

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      • Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Shareware Doom

        Aka why most people thought Doom 1 was so short.

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    • SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes, but with a dimensional portal to Hell opened on them. Or where do you suppose the demons come from.

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      • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        But you’re the demons, John.
        And then John was a zombie

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    • foo@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes, but IIRC they just happened to be the location of the hell portal that humans disturbed, and hell started leaking out. The depiction of Phobos and Deimos as hell-like was after the leakage. The third part of original Doom was back on Earth when the leakage had spread there, and it looked exactly like the hell of the Mars moons.

      I wouldn’t bet money on that being exact, but that’s how I remember it.

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  • HailHydra@infosec.pub ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m not sure if it’s the same scientists, but the YouTube channel The Thought Emporium has an ongoing series about growing neurons to play retro games (such as OG DOOM).

    The playlist of this series is fittingly called “Building the Torment Nexus” youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLsjPxmF1BE1BAAeJgF2A….

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    • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It looks like their setup, but I don’t see any recent videos. Jan 15th was their last one. I think they have a patreon with bonus clips and advance stuff.

      Might be from that.

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      • general_kitten@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        perhaps they did the experiment and are now working on a video about it

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  • janewaydidnothingwrong@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Is it ThoughtEmporium or are other people doing it too?

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  • TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How to tell when scientific research doesn’t have to worry about oversight.

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  • UltraBlack@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Didn’t the thought emporium work on this?

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    • Thorry@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah they are working on this for sure. The video series is available here: www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLsjPxmF1BE1BAAeJ…

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    • cows_are_underrated@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They are, the small difference is, that they are trying to do it with rat neurons if I remember correctly.

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  • cmbabul@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So we’re just going full head of steam into a combo of the torment nexus and AM

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    • ebolapie@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Torment Nexus but with a win condition

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      • Patrikvo@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        What win condition? Once the brain defeats the last boss, it starts on all the WADs. You have any idea how many of these were created?

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  • red_sock@lemmy.ml ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Computer Scientists: We can make Doom run on any device! Bioscientists: Watch this!

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    • Mac@mander.xyz ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Cosmologists: *cracks knuckles* Check this shit out.

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  • saxrussell@slrpnk.net ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It would not know what hell is, just that humanoids are enemies.

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    • Twelve20two@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And tomatos

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      • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Right in the cacussy.

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  • aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We are old gods who punish life for fun.

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  • Ghostie@lemmy.zip ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So they are growing doom guy.

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    • yakko@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Baby steps towards growing a Wolfenstein guy, we’ll get there. Maybe around the time they put Trump in a life support mech.

      It’ll be good telly, I bet.

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  • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s fucked up though. What happened to bioethics and review boards?

    We don’t understand enough about human consciousness to say that those cells aren’t sentient. We have no idea what sort of experience, if any, they’re perceiving.

    This is not okay…

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m no scientist but I’m pretty sure we know enough to say there’s no consciousness at this level. Consciousness as we know it is pretty fragile.

      There may be a point if this is scaled up that could be a concern…

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        We do not, in fact, know enough to say there’s no consciousness at that level.

        Anyone who tells you that is being intellectually dishonest.

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    • DokPsy@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’d say they’re experiencing being doom guy but that’s just a guess

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  • crazycraw@crazypeople.online ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “hey you, glad you’re awake…”

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    • desiccated_event@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      DO NOT give Todd any more ideas….please.

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  • desiccated_event@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Is this how the Borg began? Suddenly makes more sense with the outfits.

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  • ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Maybe this will lead to San junipero for real

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  • Gates9@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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