Xbox as a platform is officially dead

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨64bithero@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

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New Xbox & AI CEO announced via Twitter ( not calling it x) the new “hybrid” console that will play Xbox and PC games.

In other words you know just a PC. Thus far it seems the system will use the exact same Xbox desktop experience as the “rog ally”.

While we all saw it coming and there isn’t much surprise. This to me says Xbox is dead as a platform.

It’s going to be expensive, it’s going to have Windows. It’s going to have co-pilot it’s going to have the same pop ups.

At least we get an Ally ROG desktop at most a Surface Gaming Desktop. Either honestly is a terrible idea. There will be most affordable options not tied to windows there will be mode powerful options at the same price. Even if you like the idea of going all in PC gaming this won’t be your best option.

If you want to stay a console gamer you’re going to have to switch teams …

RIP Xbox.

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bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨28⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
Is anything in the tech world interesting or good any more? I remember being excited 20 years ago for new inventions. Now its slop, slop, slop, authoritarian surveillance fascism, slop slop slop

Foss projects and indie games are about the only interesting thing now.

I’ll go back to 2005 soon as someone invents a Foss time machine !

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- HeyJoe@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  Once we created standards to create everything we see today it became to expensive to invest in alternative home grown solutions. Sadly with the focus of maximizing profit over innovation most ideas just revolve around the existing infrastructure in place to do what they want. I hate it as well and everything feels very stagnant.
  
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- myrmidex@belgae.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  Imagine a non-FOSS time machine
  
  We’ve successfully transferred your right foot to 2005! Please subscribe to our Premium plan for a full-body transfer.
  
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Blaster_M@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Steam Machine, Steam Deck, Steam Frame. Pick your level of console.

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- thesohoriots@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Steam EVA Unit is my pick.
  
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  - Frozengyro@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Only if it’s Gabe shaped
    
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- Corngood@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  List of things I buy the instant they will take my money. Also, grapheneos phone.
  
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- 64bithero@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  If your going Pc pre built route to me Valve built is the answer.
  
  But to me this more lies with concerns with a true blue console experience.
  
  Most people believe Microsoft will have little no success with this strategy either. Outside of hopes to “disrupt” steam machines market share I can’t see this going anywhere.
  
  No matter how you slice it , I think it’s over.
  
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- xvertigox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  Steam desktop + moonlight is sick as fk and doesn’t need new hardware.
  
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devolution@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
So the pick me finally shows her hand.

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baduhai@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I actually think it’s a great idea. The problem is that Microslop is behind it.

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- 64bithero@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yeah it can be , and Steam already did it and better. But it’s still not a console experience. It’s closer but it’s not equivalent. And for what Xbox has represented this isn’t it …
  
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  - zikzak025@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    I think it’s “console enough” that it could still work. Current consoles are really just locked-down PCs anyways.
    
    It’d be no different than the OtherOS functionality on first-run PS3 consoles that allowed them to boot into Linux. Perhaps simpler than that even, given that current consoles already use standard PC hardware and not the Cell architecture the PS3 ran on.
    
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zikzak025@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
You know, I’m okay with this. If it makes PC gaming more accessible, and if it offers meaningful competition for the Steam Machine, it’s good to have options. Sure it’s Windows, but if it’s just a PC running an Xbox UX, I’m sure you could change the OS to whatever else if you want.

If anything, it does make the PS6 a less appealing choice, because why pick a dedicated console when you can get an (assuming) comparably strong, comparably priced gaming PC?

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- 64bithero@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  To me there is some value in having a true console experience. Put a disc in you know it works. Download a game and it plays as good as you can.
  
  Even with Steam Deck you can download games that won’t work or won’t work well.
  
  A lot of people don’t have the patience for that. And so long as consoles can stay under the PC equivalent price I think there will be value.
  
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  - Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨46⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    That doesn’t exist anymore. Can’t even play Nintendo without it asking for updates to the system and MarioKart.
    
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  - chickenf622@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    The issue is most games nowadays don’t work on day one, and you’ll probably have to download patches for it. The main selling point of plug and play for consoles is almost irrelevant with current publisher (and possible development) practices in the industry.
    
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  - NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    PC gaming has come a long way that most games nowadays just work, even on Linux. I’m surprised at how many games work without even forcing Proton and no bugs at all, except those that also exist for Windows. That and my controller is seamless. Even VR is working better now.
    
    On the other side, it seems console gaming is more complex than it needed to be and we’ve seen how consoles actually hold back gaming, as a whole, like the situation with the Xbox Series S that has forced developers to either cut content or remove features to make it compatible as that is Microsoft’s requirement when developing a game to be released for their consoles. I don’t remember hearing it, but I’m sure the same is true for the PlayStation side too with the lower end model. Whereas that doesn’t happen for PC exclusive releases. If your PC won’t run it, it’s probably because it’s outdated and that’s a you problem, not something everyone else needs to suffer for because a company like Microsoft is forcing devs to make it compatible with outdated/lower end hardware.
    
    I can’t remember trying a game on my Steam Deck and it didn’t work. Unless you mean setting up a Proton version, then I’ve had that, but the game eventually runs in 9 out of 10 cases. That is exclusive to non-Windows OSes and it could be solved by automating based on the db and make the setting easier to find and change for users, maybe even prompt the user to try another Proton version kind of like Windows’ troubleshooter when it detects a program didn’t install or run correctly. Or when devs make their games natively work with Linux/macOS like they do for Windows which is why games just work there. And if the game doesn’t run well, you just lower the settings which I’ve done for many games with no trouble. Even console games now have the same settings to lower quality to get better performance.
    
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  - zikzak025@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Here’s hoping it still has that functionality, I don’t see a reason why it couldn’t.
    
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commander@lemmy.world ⁨32⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
Microsoft Xbox hardware wasn’t going to be competitive in sales with Sony or Nintendo. Maybe now they can be competitive with ASUS ROG and Lenovo Legion and Dell Alienware

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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This actually tracks completely with the news about an incoming Windows 12 announcement and in particular the claim about Windows 12 being modular. The description has claimed that it will make certain aspects of Windows able to be added or removed at will. Meaning options like a “minimal” desktop installation that has very few options, no PowerShell, no Terminal, no access to a majority of common Windows features, and very little control of the OS other than changing the desktop background.

In other words, this new “Project Helix” or whatever will be a stripped-down version of Windows 12 with everything non-gaming-related removed, including access to half the system settings I’m sure.

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- NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Windows central is reporting that the windows 12 rumor is bs. I think they went so far as to call it an AI slop fabricated story.
  
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  - SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    AI slop
    
    They definitely didn’t use that terminology though, with how hard they’re pushing back against the “Microslop” term.
    
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- 64bithero@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  Microsoft has no interest in scaling back windows especially for the sake of user experience. The want Ai in your face they want ads for you to upgrade to office 365.
  
  So while they could do all of this even with a modified version of Windows 11 , they won’t.
  
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  - SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    I mean, I would argue that having to pay for access to different parts of Windows, like say access to PowerShell or access to more advanced features and settings has been part of the way they make money for a long time. That’s why their used to be “Home,” “Pro,” and “Enterprise” versions all with various levels of capability. So while it looks like the original article has been debunked, I would think that offering stripped-down versions of Windows would just serve as a way to push upgrades to more full featured versions the same way they press you to upgrade to Office 365.
    
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NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The PC cannot currently play non-ported Xbox games at this time, though. I get why you’re saying “just a PC” but that’s a distinction worth noting. I hope the PC platform in general will gain the ability to play all Xbox games and not just Xbox branded hardware. I also hope PCs gain the ability to use some of the features that are nice about Xbox (mainly Quick Resume).

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- zikzak025@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Could be that they add that functionality into Windows, though. There’s nothing special about newer games that run on Xbox, they’re all x86 applications. Microsoft could just release the Xbox middleware as its own app and allow Xbox games to work on whatever PC it’s installed on, which is basically all that an Xbox is right now.
  
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  - NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah, I’m hoping they don’t wall that stuff off from the general PC space for business reasons.
    
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- 64bithero@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  No matter how you slice it, it’s going to be emulation. And people will and already can emulate without Microsoft’s “experience”. I doubt it will even have an optical drive!
  
  In fact I’d argue there is no reason to wait for their hardware. Buy or build something now. You can play all the same games. Get an emulator and do the same …
  
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  - NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Their emulation work is one of the few bright spots of the Xbox platform on the past decade. Things like FPS boost and Auto HDR are nice for improving older games. I’m not sure if any third party emulators can do the same, admittedly.
    
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sundray@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
The thing that bothers me about switch to “it’s just a branded PC now” is the loss of the Xbox as a low-end performance target.

That’s one advantage of being a console gamer: Your games may never look the best, but new AAA games will come out and run acceptably well on your system, long after low-spec PCs are left for dead by publishers.

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Mongostein@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I never upgraded from the Xbox One and haven’t one felt like I’ve missed anything this entire generation.

My next console will be either a steam deck or just a living room PC running Linux.

It’s not in the budget right now though, so it depends what’s available when I decide to pull the trigger

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- NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  Quick resume is pretty much the only thing about the Series X that has stood out for me. It’s nice being able to hop into multiple games without waiting for loads and being right back where you left off. It’s by no means a must have though. It’s way better than the PS5’s equivalent.
  
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  - RamRabbit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    That is actually one of the things that is actually just a Windows detriment. Linux, including the steam deck, can just go to sleep in the middle of the game and bring you right back to where you were when putting it to sleep.
    
    Funnily enough, if this new XBox is Windows based, they are going to lose this ability.
    
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CMLVI@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
If I can get my Xbox game library and saved progress onto the PC, great. Sucks I’ve double bought some titles but whatever I guess.

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tidderuuf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The writing was on the wall a long time ago when they were making cuts and seeking partnerships with Sony to stay afloat.

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deus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

If you want to stay a console gamer you’re going to have to switch teams …

Heh

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Canconda@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
Halo was the only good thing about xbox anyways.

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- RamRabbit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  And that works on both Linux and Windows now. :)
  
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  - Canconda@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    The youngins today will never understand how fucking awsome halo 1 lan parties were
    
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Mulligrubs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Good, haven’t gotten one since my 360 red ring of death.

Engineer “This machine runs really hot, it won’t last long.”

Management “Perfect! Increase production.”

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