IMO, this is one of the consequences of not having universal health insurance that isn’t talked about enough. If the bar for going to the doctor is “about to lose a limb from infection”, then people become vulnerable to pseudo-scientific garbage, simply because they hardly ever receive advice from actual medical professionals.
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rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
architect@thelemmy.club 3 weeks ago
Great point. Hard to trust doctors when it’s $500 to not find anything over and over and over and over.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Agreeing about universal healthcare but adding sufficient PTO to go to the Dr.
lukaro@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Thats my deal. I have
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Add to that the pleatora of fraudulent TV doctors
BreadOven@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
100 % this. Also maybe overall education quality as well?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Vaccines are often free here
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
That’s great, but I’m talking about broad coverage of health care needs and a general habit of seeing a doctor when you’re sick, injured etc.
notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I agree with you 100%. When the prospect of a health emergency or chronic condition means bankruptcy, people can’t help but look for alternatives.
Under a capitalist system where anyone can sell ‘supplements’ and any other random ‘treatment’ under the radar long enough to make a quick buck, misinformation abounds and the desperate roll the dice.
Health care isn’t just that. It’s what keeps families together, it’s what keeps communities together, and it’s a tragic farce that too many of us see it as a privilege and not a right.
sbv@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Many of my fellow Canadians fell for that shit, and they have free access to doctors.
(Not all of them, because our healthcare system is weirdly understaffed, but many of them)
robocall@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I noticed Canada is recruiting healthcare professionals from the US, and one of the things they really like is being able to provide healthcare without the middleman insurance companies denying healthcare.
howrar@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
The bar for a lot of us is also at “about to lose a limb from infection”. The only difference is that we don’t get a hospital bill to go with that visit.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Covid spread easily; I don’t think hantavirus is as easy to spread. However, it’s much more deadly and can be dormant for 60 days, spreading itself.
cattywampas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Settle down, we are not fucked. Hantavirus has been around forever, even this strain.
akwd169@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Honestly. So much overreaction about this. Everyone is letting the news work their manipilative bullshit spreading panic and fear so you keep tuning in and clicking o
Its pretty sad to see how many people on the fediverse are falling for the bs
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Has it spread human to human? I thought that was a new thing.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
What little Ive seen documented:
- It was relatively new(
20 years30 years) to the southern end of South America, they beat out an initial outbreak of it, has been endemic there since. - Not too much reaearch has been done on it, i.e. few experts.
- It appears that it is most, and potentially only infectious when symptoms are showing, particularly the fever, but is very easily spread during that small window.
- It seems like it isnt as easily spread as covid, but yeah, is much nastier.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
There’s kind of two varieties. The Americas one is different to the other and was discovered more recently.
- It was relatively new(
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
That’s almost as good as my idea. I thought like a really light version of COVID with nothing but light symptoms like fever and sneezing, but it would change your DNA just the right way, so you develop a hidden FFI prion infection, leading to you eventually not being able to sleep until you die.
By the time anyone realizes it is even a thing, nearly everyone would be infected, just a few prions would be 100% fatal, and there would be nowhere on Earth to hide.
Everyone dies from lack of sleep induced dementia.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Kyle@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
In the US, people don’t go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.
18% of Americans haven’t ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven’t seen one for 5 years.
A number of studies in low income communities in the south show that over 60% of people in those communities have intestinal parasites. That’s just the ones we know of.
One thing we know for sure is that ivermectin is about as magic as they say it is for parasites only. It’s a fantastic drug for that.
Over 60% of low income citizens would likely feel much better after getting their parasites removed from ivermectin. So what they are seeing, seems true. They could be sick from something else but get rid of a long standing comorbidity of a pariste infection, you bet they are feeling good. They just think that relief from the varied symptoms from parasite is actually something else cured.
This ivermectin religion has real miracles, it’s just not the ones they think they are. This belief is entirely created because Americans don’t have healthcare. That’s why this belief isn’t found elsewhere.
kandoh@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Doesn’t even need to be eliminated parasites.
“I am solving the problem by taking the medicine, and I am smart because I’m using a secret medicine they don’t want me to know about” causes the brain to release the good feelings chemicals which does make you feel better.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
In the US, people don’t go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.
In Estonia it’s sorta the same except a visit costs nothing for the GP and 20 euros for the initial visit to a specialty doctor (subsequent visits are free).
We just don’t go to the doctor because we’re stubborn as fuck and “it’ll heal on its own”.
StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not if you don’t rub some dirt in it first it won’t
khannie@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
18% of Americans haven’t ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven’t seen one for 5 years.
What the fuck? Have you a source for those numbers because they’re shocking
Kyle@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Hmm looks like some stats I pulled were from polls, and I fell victim to people paraphrasing that around 20% of rural people not having a primary care doctor in the last few years as “not even having seen a doctor” sorry about that.
40% of Americans haven’t seen a doctor in 5 years: studyfinds.org/americans-avoiding-the-doctor/ www.aarp.org/pri/…/health-care-rural-america/?
But the limited stats on primary care and a lot of self reporting is very bad.
62% parasites infection: www.medrxiv.org/…/2023.01.10.23284404v1.full
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7253135/#%3A~%3A…
Typing in “southern united states rural primary care access” in Kagi has a lot of sad results.
Muehe@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
They could be sick from something else but get rid of a long standing comorbidity of a pariste infection, you bet they are feeling good. They just think that relief from the varied symptoms from parasite is actually something else cured.
Pretty much this, although it seems freeing the immune system from fighting the worm infection really does help it in fighting the Coronavirus infection: astralcodexten.com/…/ivermectin-much-more-than-yo… (Ctrl+F “The Synthesis”).
TL;DR: Studies showing a positive effect from Ivermectin on Covid came mostly from areas with high worm infection incidence, areas with low incidence showed no or smaller positive effect.
NB: Link is a selfhosted Substack, works better with JavaScript turned off.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I wish I loved something as much as conservatives love Ivermectin.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You do, it’s either self hosting, Linux or socialism
NannerBanner@literature.cafe 3 weeks ago
Damn, I’m 2 for three. One day I’ll have the spare computer to self host something.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
tinkering with the linux homelab on which u host ur socialist lemmy instance while wearing thigh high socks and a collar and a maid outfit and being forced to take a break from ur tinkering by someone queer dragging u into bed using a leash
accurate description of the average lemmy user (myself included (i wish))
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I love not having worms in me exactly as much as I love ivermectin, basically a miracle drug for that. They must be getting the dosage wrong tho because they’ve clearly got brain worms.
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We let them the first time too. If you want to eat horse paste who am I to stop you?
treesapx@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Actually by sheer volume they were taking all the horse paste away from the horses who needed it so rural supply stores had to lock down their supplies for only people who could prove they owned livestock.
YetAnotherNerd@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
So she thinks (I know, I know) that getting “natural immunity” to COVID protects her from hantavirus? The ivermectin is just the icing on the cake, honestly.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
It’s what happens when practicing medical physicians forget they are not really researchers. The main problem is that medical schools do teach research, but just enough to give people a false confidence in their own abilities. Medicine covers so much information that medical school is basically just a series of introduction courses. Like with most positions as a physician, your real knowledge comes from what you actually practice during your residency and specialty training.
I specialize in orthopedics and rehabilitation, I can understand the mechanisms and physiology involved in studies done over rna virus replication, but I wouldn’t feel confident in my ability to draw conclusions from those studies that are not explicitly stated in the study itself.
From my understanding invermectin has show itself to have some promising potential for moderating rna viruses from replicating. However, it’s not very water soluble and so there are currently no effective means to actually get the medication to the affected cells. Which is why none of the studies done on cell cultures in a laboratory can’t be extrapolated upon and applied to people.
Even if you are taking 100x the recommended dose, it’s mainly just going to travel through your digestive tract and cause more harm than good.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ew, dewormer frosting
GraniteM@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
collapse_already@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
And remember, if you get sick with the hantavirus you can get over it quickly by taking 2x the LD50 of Tylenol. A couple of days and you won’t even feel sick. Be sure to tell all your conservative friends because the government likes to cover up this kind of information.
goldfndr@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
you can get over it quickly by taking 2x the LD50 of Tylenol.
I died at this.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Just drink bleach. Bleach kills all viruses and bacteria.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
_Bleach is mostly water, and we are mostly water. Therefore, we are bleach.
Here. Drink this, Murderface._
absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
So is that like LD100 or something; I’m not technical so trusting your numbers here.
adam_y@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It isn’t like LD100 (although it may be)
LD50 is the minimal dose lethal to 50% of a subject population. Twice that dose might be anything between 50% and 100%.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Why is ivermectin always the cure to every disease? My grandmother has tumors and my mom mentioned getting her ivermectin. Wtf am I missing here?
JayDee@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The new hot cure to hantavirus: bloodletting! Balance your humors and align your chakras with this one simple trick!
BigBenis@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ah, it’s refreshing to see her back to saying crazy bullshit again.
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I love when science memes is just US politics.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Just so everyone is clear, this is total bullshit — I understand MTG has had her broken clock moments but she’s still batshit insane.
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
The vast majority of viruses are RNA-based so it appears that we have a pretty much universal cure here.
rekabis@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Even with the best medical care, Hantavirus has a 20% fatality rate.
Let’s just hope that conservatives continue being so anti-vaccine… a few more pandemics with human-transmissible highly-fatal viruses and maybe we can get that socialist utopia that the right always cock-blocks us from achieving.
kreskin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This doctor was previously suspended for vaccine misinformation and now has a complaint against her by the texas medical board for numerous violations of professional conduct, including prescribing medication without ever meeting or examining a patient.
She filed a defamation lawsuit against the hospital which she lost. Ouch. Best of luck to her in keeping her certification, and in finding a new job! She should become trumps personal dr.
dasrael@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
This stupid cunt didn’t learn a thing from Trump fucking her over, and back to the old song and dance. It’s not even surprising… I really hope these tools load up hard on horse paste, hell, mainline it, I could use the entertainment…
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Colloquial silver works wonders when taken in high doses
Spoiler: it’ll turn your skin blue. These idiots should be labeled like smufs :Spoiler
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ivermectin comes in apple flavor if y’all are worried about the taste.
/s
mycodesucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So much for her half-assed redemption arc.
cheers_queers@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
my coworker told me he started taking it and shat out a bunch of worms. then he tried to convince me that i was full of worms.
Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
You are posting dangerous disinformation as a science meme. Reported.
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JuliaSuraez@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Nothing says ‘we learned nothing’ like speedrunning the exact same miracle-cure discourse all over again.
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
One question: HOW do you “develop” natural immunity.
Answer: The weak ones in the herd DIE!
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Marjorie Taylor Greene is crazy to suggest Ivermectin because Pete Hegseth said germs aren’t real.
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I really hope we don’t have a pandemic. Hentavirus has a 30% death rate. Being against masks, against vaccines, having fadigue of lockdowns would kill at of people
58008@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Does Lemmy have an equivalent to the Herman Cain Awards subreddit? We’re definitely gonna need one.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
And when they start dropping like flies, there’s no evidence it’s the virus. It could be the (((woke globalist elite)))’s 5G space lasers, or perhaps God punishing us for not stoning sexual deviants to death or something.
dreamy@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
The shitstain who was (and still is) behind the Ivermectin fraud is called Pierre Kory. You can view a very nice and in-depth debunk of all of his claims by Professor Dave here:
https://youtu.be/KW_HPnTVuDkBieren@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Lalalalala. Doesn’t exist. Fake news. It’s Biden fault. Drink bleach and sun your butthole.
sheridan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
My parents legitimately believe ivermectin is a cure all and are stockpiling it. They take it for just about anything. They also believe plenty of other wacky things like viruses don’t exist and cancer is just a fungal infection.
My dad last year nearly lost his foot after it got infected. They let it fester for months and only treated it with like essential oils or some other pseudoscience. He eventually had to go to the emergency room and stay at the hospital and receive antibiotics. 🙄
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And immediately saw the error in his ways? Absolutely not. These people get sick to the point of dying. Go to the emergency room and get healed through real medicine and the efforts of a dozen nurses and a doctor or two. Then they leave and brag to their friends and family “see told you I’d be fine” and never give credit to the REAL medicine that fixed the issue.
Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
“See? Told you I’d be fine.”
“Dad, you need to take off your leg to go through airport security.”
binarytobis@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Many of my relatives are diehard MAGA. So, when Trump said not to wear masks or quarantine, my aunt and her husband and son went out of their way to basically spend every second they could at superspreader events. They were warned it was dangerous, not restricted in any way, but still felt the need to act out to validate political feelings.
Naturally, they all caught COVID in the early days. My uncle and cousin both passed, leaving my aunt as a devastated shell of a woman. When we would see each other at family dinners she would usually just sit with a far-off, forlorn look. Every once in a while she would tune in for a bit to spout some pro-Trump bullshit. I wanted to scream “He helped to kill your family!”
I decided to just stop spending time with these people before I said something I would regret.
4grams@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
My dad literally will not talk to me because I refused to say that ivermectin is a miracle cure. He’s angry at me for some study or article that he thinks I am obsessed with (I honestly have no idea what he’s talking about), and insists I retract my belief in it or we can’t have a relationship. Since I haven’t the first clue what he’s even on about, he made his choice…
Can’t wait for the next round of crackpot email forwards. Hopefully he sticks to his word and won’t contact me anymore.
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I guess I can somewhat understand his obstinance towards you. If he admits he’s wrong, he also has to admit he had a hand in killing his wife through willful ignorance.
MimicJar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What sucks the most is that ivermectin is a miracle cure! It just isn’t helpful again COVID or Hantavirus. The 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded (in part) for discovering ivermectin.
It’s what frustrates me the most about discussion with people like this. They’re willing to take a random drug, a drug that is fully backed by the medical community, but they’re not willing to take the drug actually recommended by the medical community.
entwine@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I have a similar experience with my own father after he started using TikTok and Instagram, though it’s not about ivermectin (spoiler: he thinks I’m a “commie”). I think old people are just not equipped to survive on the internet. It’s like they lack the instincts to known when they’re being scammed.
It gives me a tiny bit of hope for the future, because even though gen alpha aren’t exactly the brightest generation so far, they’re at least all fully attuned to the internet and (hopefully) better equipped to navigate its many perils.
fartographer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m also not talking to your father on behalf of you
Malyca@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
There’s no getting them out of it without several things, namely their consent and will to change and professional deprogramming.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
At least your parents are free from intestinal parasites
daannii@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well at least they don’t have parasites common in horses.
Agent641@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah but not a worm in sight!
SubjectivePathology@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
At least it’s not shungight. Viral medical trends are problematic when they get sold as cure calls, bad when it’s unfounded, worse when it’s half true. Poisons the well.