Covid spread easily; I don’t think hantavirus is as easy to spread. However, it’s much more deadly and can be dormant for 60 days, spreading itself.
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CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
cattywampas@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Settle down, we are not fucked. Hantavirus has been around forever, even this strain.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Has it spread human to human? I thought that was a new thing.
akwd169@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Honestly. So much overreaction about this. Everyone is letting the news work their manipilative bullshit spreading panic and fear so you keep tuning in and clicking o
Its pretty sad to see how many people on the fediverse are falling for the bs
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 3 days ago
What little Ive seen documented:
- It was relatively new(
20 years30 years) to the southern end of South America, they beat out an initial outbreak of it, has been endemic there since. - Not too much reaearch has been done on it, i.e. few experts.
- It appears that it is most, and potentially only infectious when symptoms are showing, particularly the fever, but is very easily spread during that small window.
- It seems like it isnt as easily spread as covid, but yeah, is much nastier.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
There’s kind of two varieties. The Americas one is different to the other and was discovered more recently.
- It was relatively new(
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 days ago
That’s almost as good as my idea. I thought like a really light version of COVID with nothing but light symptoms like fever and sneezing, but it would change your DNA just the right way, so you develop a hidden FFI prion infection, leading to you eventually not being able to sleep until you die.
By the time anyone realizes it is even a thing, nearly everyone would be infected, just a few prions would be 100% fatal, and there would be nowhere on Earth to hide.
Everyone dies from lack of sleep induced dementia.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 3 days ago
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
IMO, this is one of the consequences of not having universal health insurance that isn’t talked about enough. If the bar for going to the doctor is “about to lose a limb from infection”, then people become vulnerable to pseudo-scientific garbage, simply because they hardly ever receive advice from actual medical professionals.
architect@thelemmy.club 3 days ago
Great point. Hard to trust doctors when it’s $500 to not find anything over and over and over and over.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
Add to that the pleatora of fraudulent TV doctors
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Agreeing about universal healthcare but adding sufficient PTO to go to the Dr.
lukaro@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Thats my deal. I have
jama211@lemmy.world 3 days ago
That’s a really good point
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Vaccines are often free here
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
That’s great, but I’m talking about broad coverage of health care needs and a general habit of seeing a doctor when you’re sick, injured etc.
BreadOven@lemmy.world 3 days ago
100 % this. Also maybe overall education quality as well?
sbv@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Many of my fellow Canadians fell for that shit, and they have free access to doctors.
(Not all of them, because our healthcare system is weirdly understaffed, but many of them)
Kyle@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
In the US, people don’t go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.
18% of Americans haven’t ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven’t seen one for 5 years.
A number of studies in low income communities in the south show that over 60% of people in those communities have intestinal parasites. That’s just the ones we know of.
One thing we know for sure is that ivermectin is about as magic as they say it is for parasites only. It’s a fantastic drug for that.
Over 60% of low income citizens would likely feel much better after getting their parasites removed from ivermectin. So what they are seeing, seems true. They could be sick from something else but get rid of a long standing comorbidity of a pariste infection, you bet they are feeling good. They just think that relief from the varied symptoms from parasite is actually something else cured.
This ivermectin religion has real miracles, it’s just not the ones they think they are. This belief is entirely created because Americans don’t have healthcare. That’s why this belief isn’t found elsewhere.
kandoh@reddthat.com 3 days ago
Doesn’t even need to be eliminated parasites.
“I am solving the problem by taking the medicine, and I am smart because I’m using a secret medicine they don’t want me to know about” causes the brain to release the good feelings chemicals which does make you feel better.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
In the US, people don’t go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.
In Estonia it’s sorta the same except a visit costs nothing for the GP and 20 euros for the initial visit to a specialty doctor (subsequent visits are free).
We just don’t go to the doctor because we’re stubborn as fuck and “it’ll heal on its own”.
StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Not if you don’t rub some dirt in it first it won’t
khannie@lemmy.world 3 days ago
18% of Americans haven’t ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven’t seen one for 5 years.
What the fuck? Have you a source for those numbers because they’re shocking
Kyle@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Hmm looks like some stats I pulled were from polls, and I fell victim to people paraphrasing that around 20% of rural people not having a primary care doctor in the last few years as “not even having seen a doctor” sorry about that.
40% of Americans haven’t seen a doctor in 5 years: studyfinds.org/americans-avoiding-the-doctor/ www.aarp.org/pri/…/health-care-rural-america/?
But the limited stats on primary care and a lot of self reporting is very bad.
62% parasites infection: www.medrxiv.org/…/2023.01.10.23284404v1.full
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7253135/#%3A~%3A…
Typing in “southern united states rural primary care access” in Kagi has a lot of sad results.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 days ago
I wish I loved something as much as conservatives love Ivermectin.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
You do, it’s either self hosting, Linux or socialism
JetpackJackson@feddit.org 3 days ago
Why not all three
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
I love not having worms in me exactly as much as I love ivermectin, basically a miracle drug for that. They must be getting the dosage wrong tho because they’ve clearly got brain worms.
YetAnotherNerd@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
So she thinks (I know, I know) that getting “natural immunity” to COVID protects her from hantavirus? The ivermectin is just the icing on the cake, honestly.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 3 days ago
It’s what happens when practicing medical physicians forget they are not really researchers. The main problem is that medical schools do teach research, but just enough to give people a false confidence in their own abilities. Medicine covers so much information that medical school is basically just a series of introduction courses. Like with most positions as a physician, your real knowledge comes from what you actually practice during your residency and specialty training.
I specialize in orthopedics and rehabilitation, I can understand the mechanisms and physiology involved in studies done over rna virus replication, but I wouldn’t feel confident in my ability to draw conclusions from those studies that are not explicitly stated in the study itself.
From my understanding invermectin has show itself to have some promising potential for moderating rna viruses from replicating. However, it’s not very water soluble and so there are currently no effective means to actually get the medication to the affected cells. Which is why none of the studies done on cell cultures in a laboratory can’t be extrapolated upon and applied to people.
Even if you are taking 100x the recommended dose, it’s mainly just going to travel through your digestive tract and cause more harm than good.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Ew, dewormer frosting
GraniteM@lemmy.world 3 days ago
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Why is ivermectin always the cure to every disease? My grandmother has tumors and my mom mentioned getting her ivermectin. Wtf am I missing here?
gibmiser@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Someone told them NO. You cant do that.
That made them feel mad and feel stupid.
Then someone told them that they were right and that someone else was actually the stupid one.
Then they felt better.
Better than better, they now have the secret knowledge and everyone else are the stupid ones.
Starduster75@lemmy.world 3 days ago
This is the formula for modern society (esp. social media).
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
There is no logic, only horse medicine.
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
Healthy as a horse and all, right?
Addv4@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Honestly, my suspicion is that you can easily get the stuff. I’ve gotten it for my dog once or twice (it’s a lot cheaper than dog dewormer, despite basically being the same thing), and all you have to do is go into a Tractor supply or the like and it’s right on the shelf, no restrictions or anything. This is in contrast to actual medicine, where I have to go to a CVS or the like to pay an overpriced amount for something that is more regulated, and might even be a bit of a placebo effect in the first place (look at flu meds for an example of that).
All of this mostly seems to speak more to the degrading of the American healthcare system due to costs ballooning beyond what some of the poorer in society can afford, so they are more willing to try folk remedies that may or may not work. And in the case of your grandmother, is she gonna risk paying a lot of her life savings to cure her tumors if they aren’t benign (without a guarantee that it will work), or is she just gonna hope that the $10 treatment might make her feel better? If they’re benign, then the $10 treatment “worked”, and if they’re not, then she’ll get expensive treatment anyway, just probably be in a worse position to get it.
fox@hexbear.net 3 days ago
- Ivermectin is a legitimate miracle antiparasitic
- Early in the pandemic, some researchers showed you can neutralize COVID in vitro with ivermectin. The dose is more than enough to kill a human.
- Trump announced he was taking hydroxychloroquine (antimalarial/antiparasitic) to prevent COVID infection during the pandemic
- A group of crank doctors saw an angle and at a Senate hearing announced ivermectin as a wonder drug that prevents COVID infection entirely
- Right-wing influencers like Joe Rogan took the ball and ran with it, infusing further anti-vaccine ideas into the movement
- The sleeper class, who don’t pay attention to medical news and get most of their understanding of the world from the influencers they follow, submersed in America’s simmering broth of reactionary beliefs and distrust of authority, pick up the news that ivermectin prevents COVID during the Delta spike, when fears soared.
- To a certain class of people, having their beliefs questioned is inherently hostile. Everyone telling them to not take ivermectin only makes them more stubborn about it. Ivermectin is also really easy to get a hold of because it’s a common veterinary drug and pretty easy to find if you’re rural.
- Those people infect their social networks further with ivermectin bullshit, because people will trust their friends more than they trust authority.
And so, five years after we conclusively know ivermectin doesn’t help with anything but parasites, you still find people who believe in its global efficacy, which has become greater and greater over time in reaction to more and more proof against it. Because the believers are stubborn reactionaries.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 3 days ago
The problem is that there are a bunch of studies that have proven that ivermectin can prohibit rna viruses from replicating in cell cultures to an impressive degree. The main problem is that ivermectin isn’t very water soluble, and thus there is no way to deliver the drug to the targeted cells.
It’s what happens when you develop assumptions based on a study when you don’t really understand the relevant field of the study. It also makes it hard to disprove to people who have read studies that in their mind allude to it as an effective treatment.
Is ivermectin an effective way to controll the replication of rna viruses in a laboratory setting? Yes, amazingly so. Does that mean we can extrapolate upon that claim and assume it would be effective to treat humans? Absolutely not.
I imagine in the next 5-10 years ivermectine will be used as a treatment for rna viruses. However, that will require someone to find a way to turn it into an inhaled medication or some kind of nanosized medication that can be given intravenously.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It’s just one of the tenets of belief from the orange man conspiracy cult. They joined that cult and chose their special secret conspiracy “facts” to believe in.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Morons
Infamousblt@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Big Horse Pharma has their tendrils in more places than you would expect
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
I love when science memes is just US politics.
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Colloquial silver works wonders when taken in high doses
Spoiler: it’ll turn your skin blue. These idiots should be labeled like smufs :Spoiler
mycodesucks@lemmy.world 3 days ago
So much for her half-assed redemption arc.
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
One question: HOW do you “develop” natural immunity.
Answer: The weak ones in the herd DIE!
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Marjorie Taylor Greene is crazy to suggest Ivermectin because Pete Hegseth said germs aren’t real.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 3 days ago
And when they start dropping like flies, there’s no evidence it’s the virus. It could be the (((woke globalist elite)))’s 5G space lasers, or perhaps God punishing us for not stoning sexual deviants to death or something.
cheers_queers@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
my coworker told me he started taking it and shat out a bunch of worms. then he tried to convince me that i was full of worms.
Bieren@lemmy.today 3 days ago
Lalalalala. Doesn’t exist. Fake news. It’s Biden fault. Drink bleach and sun your butthole.
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Ivermectin comes in apple flavor if y’all are worried about the taste.
/s
collapse_already@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
And remember, if you get sick with the hantavirus you can get over it quickly by taking 2x the LD50 of Tylenol. A couple of days and you won’t even feel sick. Be sure to tell all your conservative friends because the government likes to cover up this kind of information.
Freefall@lemmy.world 3 days ago
YES! Use your horsepaste! This one has a MUCH MUCH higher lethality.
LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 3 days ago
still think it’s wild that i read both a study and a follow up indicating CBD actually inhibits covid from 1) binding to begin with and 2) replicating inside the cells and had a pretty significant effect (infections reduced by an order of magnitude) and im still the only person i’ve ever seen bring it up in any context when you’d think the stoner “weed cures everything” crowd would have latched onto it and when you’d think people would be ALL ABOUT a cheap prophylactic treatment that you essentially cannot overdose on compared to “let me take the horse paste and poop out my intestines”
Zephorah@discuss.online 3 days ago
It spreads in secretions and poo of rodents, it’s not airborne like covid. That said, if you sweep up a dusty storage building with mouse droppings you can aerosolize it. Vacuums with crappy filters, the same. Bear in mind, any animal that grooms will spread their diseases with claw scratches. (Like when a bat passes rabies through a claw scratch…it’s because bats groom).
People can be dirty fuckers through. Not washing hands. Wiping their noses on the backs of their hands. Sneezing and coughing in public with no thought to cover, in any respect.
shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
58008@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Does Lemmy have an equivalent to the Herman Cain Awards subreddit? We’re definitely gonna need one.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Mary has MD in her name… She’s a medical doctor? And then spreading this bullshit? What the actual fuck. Revoke her license! Or charge her for posing as a real doctor, which is illegal.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 days ago
I hate to be that guy.
But won’t this cull Republicans the most?
PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Ivermectin does literally everything. I believe it gives you sexual powers.
It cured my aching back and fixed my deviated septum.
gil2455526@lemmy.eco.br 3 days ago
I thought it was the end
But no, my friends, this is when
We get to do it all again!Flyberius@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Hantavirus is very deadly. Do not fuck around with it
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 days ago
Can we just thow people like this off a cliff already?
Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Quand on est con, c’est pas pour un jour…
TheDankMemegician36@thelemmy.club 3 days ago
Wait, are we still pretending like ivermectin is only a horse drug?
sheridan@lemmy.world 3 days ago
My parents legitimately believe ivermectin is a cure all and are stockpiling it. They take it for just about anything. They also believe plenty of other wacky things like viruses don’t exist and cancer is just a fungal infection.
My dad last year nearly lost his foot after it got infected. They let it fester for months and only treated it with like essential oils or some other pseudoscience. He eventually had to go to the emergency room and stay at the hospital and receive antibiotics. 🙄
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 3 days ago
And immediately saw the error in his ways? Absolutely not. These people get sick to the point of dying. Go to the emergency room and get healed through real medicine and the efforts of a dozen nurses and a doctor or two. Then they leave and brag to their friends and family “see told you I’d be fine” and never give credit to the REAL medicine that fixed the issue.
Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
“See? Told you I’d be fine.”
“Dad, you need to take off your leg to go through airport security.”
binarytobis@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Many of my relatives are diehard MAGA. So, when Trump said not to wear masks or quarantine, my aunt and her husband and son went out of their way to basically spend every second they could at superspreader events. They were warned it was dangerous, not restricted in any way, but still felt the need to act out to validate political feelings.
Naturally, they all caught COVID in the early days. My uncle and cousin both passed, leaving my aunt as a devastated shell of a woman. When we would see each other at family dinners she would usually just sit with a far-off, forlorn look. Every once in a while she would tune in for a bit to spout some pro-Trump bullshit. I wanted to scream “He helped to kill your family!”
I decided to just stop spending time with these people before I said something I would regret.
4grams@lemmy.world 3 days ago
My dad literally will not talk to me because I refused to say that ivermectin is a miracle cure. He’s angry at me for some study or article that he thinks I am obsessed with (I honestly have no idea what he’s talking about), and insists I retract my belief in it or we can’t have a relationship. Since I haven’t the first clue what he’s even on about, he made his choice…
Can’t wait for the next round of crackpot email forwards. Hopefully he sticks to his word and won’t contact me anymore.
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
I guess I can somewhat understand his obstinance towards you. If he admits he’s wrong, he also has to admit he had a hand in killing his wife through willful ignorance.
MimicJar@lemmy.world 3 days ago
What sucks the most is that ivermectin is a miracle cure! It just isn’t helpful again COVID or Hantavirus. The 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded (in part) for discovering ivermectin.
It’s what frustrates me the most about discussion with people like this. They’re willing to take a random drug, a drug that is fully backed by the medical community, but they’re not willing to take the drug actually recommended by the medical community.
fartographer@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I’m also not talking to your father on behalf of you
entwine@programming.dev 3 days ago
I have a similar experience with my own father after he started using TikTok and Instagram, though it’s not about ivermectin (spoiler: he thinks I’m a “commie”). I think old people are just not equipped to survive on the internet. It’s like they lack the instincts to known when they’re being scammed.
It gives me a tiny bit of hope for the future, because even though gen alpha aren’t exactly the brightest generation so far, they’re at least all fully attuned to the internet and (hopefully) better equipped to navigate its many perils.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 days ago
At least your parents are free from intestinal parasites
daannii@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Well at least they don’t have parasites common in horses.
Agent641@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yeah but not a worm in sight!