Reminder that, per Wikipedia, aflatoxins - the poisons in molds - “are among the most carcinogenic substances known.”
Furthermore, aflatoxin B~1~ can permeate through the skin and its LD~50~ can be as low as 300 µg/kg.
Bread mold
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PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 12 hours ago
fishsayhelo@lemmy.ml 11 hours ago
not all moulds though, it should be noted
zedgeist@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
What is this, some mycologistic hate speech?
verdi@feddit.org 9 hours ago
300 migs per kig? Shit, I’ll roll the dice on that old manchego slice, I’m a fat cunt.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
Are you using “mig” as milligram or microgram? For that to be a term you’d use, I assume you recognize you’re responding to a quantity in micrograms.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
Even if penicillin, it tastes awful, and if you don’t need penicillin does it actually help you at all?
I bit bread like this once and I can still vividly taste it.
logicbomb@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
if you don’t need penicillin does it actually help you at all?
No, it has virtually no chance to help you, and most probably can only hurt you.
First, it kills indiscriminately. If you’re not sick, what are you killing? Your own healthy gut flora. That’s what.
Second, what if you are slightly ill? Guess what? It still probably won’t help. Doctors don’t just throw penicillin at you in random amounts. They prescribe a specific dose that has been shown to be effective. Having one untested dose of unknown quantity isn’t going to help.
Third, when you’re given antibiotics, you are told to take it over a number of days, and to take the entire amount, even if you feel better. They do this for several reasons, but one of the reasons is that, if you only kill some of the bacteria, but not enough of them, the remaining bacteria have a small chance to evolve to become resistant to antibiotics. By taking antibiotics without the guidance of a doctor, you have a small chance of making yourself even more ill with antibiotic-resistant bacteria. I want to emphasize that this is a very small chance, but unlikely things will happen when given enough chances.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 14 hours ago
I guess it could help kill your gut bacteria.
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
Very handy for when you’re carrying something that would kill one hemisphere and blind the other
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
I ate moldy bread by accident once. Didn’t see the side with the mold until after I made the sandwich, I was also high. That one time and tiny amount was one of the most horrible things I’ve put in my mouth. Spit it out immediately and had PTSD about moldy bread ever since. If I see a tiny bit forming that shit is not going near my mouth, the whole bag is gone.
Really don’t understand how anyone could “eat around it” or even eat other slices in the pack. Bread is really cheap, just throw it away. Don’t play Russian roulette with foods.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
the whole bag is gone
Well, that’s how it’s supposed to be done. Since mold is a fungus, what shows up on the surface is the reproductive parts that spawn spores, meaning the rest of the bread probably has mold too.
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Tasted kind of limey with a subtle hint of grandma dustiness to me when I ate a slice without looking at it, I now thoroughly check the entire surface.
SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 9 hours ago
I bit bread like this once and I can still vividly taste it.
I’ve accidentally eaten various kinds of mold several dozen times in my life, and in some cases I could barely tell. Slightly dirt flavor. That’s the dangerous mold.
I was also in my 30s when I found out some people don’t know what mildew smells like. They know the sour smell in clothes, but don’t realize it’s mildew. My partner was one such person, and they -still- don’t care but that smell drives me bonkers.
Unrelated because I didn’t eat them, but it reminded me of the time I made cookies (specifically Russian tea cookies, aka snowballs) and put them directly in the freezer without letting them dry out, and it was humid enough in the container that months later when I went to eat one, they had tiny adorable mushrooms on them.
58008@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Food is so weird. Bread becomes toxic waste after 8 minutes of being opened, but there’s probably some cheese species that gets fermented up the asshole of a mountain llama for 6 months, being stuffed back in after every bowel movement, and is still edible (if you’re into that sort of thing) after 400 years of being left in a dank cave amongst the frothing remains of a rotting gerbil cemetery.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
There’s a reindeer cheese that is considered a delicacy that has actual maggots in it. Another orange cheese that has fucking mites! I don’t mind my stinky cheese, but I’m not eating anything moving.
WeirdyTrip@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
Casu marzu, “rotten cheese”, NSFL. This is sheep’s milk, not reindeer, but still. Horrifying.
BanMe@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Cheese is weird because someone had to be like, well let’s go ahead and store some milk in the stomach of an animal, but also they forgot about it under a chair for 3 months and then, upon finding it, thought, “well let’s have a go anyway, despite it changing forms.” And then eventually someone realized if you stuck it in certain caves it became delicious. So much human history just in that one food product there.
axx@slrpnk.net 27 minutes ago
I think one theory is that it was central Asian horse-riding societies who started carrying milk on horseback, in saddlebags made out of animal bladders. The motion of the riding and the rennet left in the bladders churned the milk and turned it into cheese.
I remember also reading on a science magazine’s site this possibility that the first cheese made by humans was more of yeast-based preparation, without animal milk, but i can’t find the article mentioning that anymore.
flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
You beautiful bastard that was wonderful!
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
So I can’t actually find anything from a quick search that tells me what “bread poisoning” is. Searches show results for both moldy bread as well as ergotism. Just about every source on the Internet tells me that eating a bunch of moldy bread should just give you a bad case of shits or vomits. But if someone is immunocompromised or has gut issues it could be worse.
But if this was ergot poisoning that’s different and doesn’t have much to do with ordinary bread mold.
filcuk@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
I have read that mold can be dangerous because it can cause cumulative damage in the body over time.
I don’t have a source, hopefully I’m not regurgitating some bs.Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 5 hours ago
There are some highly toxic species of mold, although they are much rarer than ordinary mold.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
aspergillus niger, hast the aflaxtoxin.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
Maybe he keeled over to vom
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
But grampa was such a fungi
kandoh@reddthat.com 8 hours ago
Only if you saw him spore-adically
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
I’ll never forget him and his pet mole “dee”
tetris11@feddit.uk 8 hours ago
he was somewhat un-bear-able
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 hours ago
Okay, but how many times did he not keel over?
Avicenna@programming.dev 2 minutes ago
how do we even know it was the bread? maybe it was vaccine poisoning
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 53 minutes ago
This person maths.
Flamekebab@piefed.social 9 hours ago
Whilst I don’t eat mouldy bread intentionally (as in, it will have happened without me noticing on occasion) what’s the actual potentially bad thing that happens if one does? Specifically?
barbedbeard@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
There are more types of fungus than any other type of life. Lots of them are mostly harmless. Some of them are a little toxic. Some others are very much toxic. Some others will cause allergies, fungal infection, rare metabolic disorders or all together.
It’s the worst kind of lottery, most likely nothing will happen but if something happens it will be pretty uncomfortable. IT IS NOT WORTH IT!
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
But cutting around the mold on cheese is fine, right? Right???
Triumph@fedia.io 14 hours ago
Hard cheeses, yes, if you cut well around it. Soft cheeses, not so much. This, of course, only applies to mold that the cheese grew after you bought it, and not any from its curing. How do you tell the difference? Devilish rhinoceros.
MBech@feddit.dk 10 hours ago
How do you tell the difference?
From experience. I once ate a big bite of Roquefort with the wrong mold…
danc4498@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Just eat American cheese. That doesn’t mold cause it’s plastic.
dontsayaword@piefed.social 14 hours ago
American Cheese is a processed mix of cheeses like Colby and Cheddar, and is great.
Kraft American “Cheese Product” is the square sliced “plastic” one people think of.
slothrop@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
The fact remains that nothing beats bologna and plastic cheese on wonder bread. (mustard/mayo/whatever)
foo@feddit.uk 11 hours ago
I also suspect that Doritos dipping cheese is closer to a fossil fuel than a dairy product. I still eat it though.
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
The sodium citrate is a good preservative and is responsible for some of that sour flavor
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
Norbert from angry beavers begs to differ.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 14 hours ago
bert_brause@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Username checks out!
BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 12 hours ago
It depends on the cheese, sometime the mold is the cheese.
Like Roquefort, it literally use moldy bread as a starter.
The process of making Roquefort starts by adding mold on rye bread, let the mold develop before blending the bread and mixing it into the raw milk.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I’m talking the cheddar that’s been in the fridge too long and has some spots on one end. I just cut it off a generous portion and still eat it anyway unless the cheese itself tastes badly of mold
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
Cut away a generous part around a mould spot, inspect crossection. Looks good? Smells good? Then it’s edible. Mould is everywhere all the time. If you can see it or smell it, don’t eat.
If you are worried about the mould and microorganisms you can’t see, then you will have to eat everything right out of the oven, made with fresly ground flour.
Psythik@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
You can do this with harder foods that aren’t filled with moisture and air like bread is. Please don’t eat around moldy bread ever.
nullroot@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Fun story about that. I was harvesting one of my first cannabis grows and one plant was too dense and definitely got moldy. I spent hours and hours going through the fresh flower with a scope and at one point thought I was going to have to throw everything out: there was mold everywhere!! Which was of course true, there is mold everywhere. I went a little crazy that day, but eventually chose an acceptable amount of fungus and moved on with my life. There was no issues drying and curing except in the one jar I put the black stuff just to see what would happen. It got gross.
nfamwap@feddit.uk 13 hours ago
Oh, I’ve been cutting the visible mold off for years. Same applies to things like jam (jelly). Spoon out the mouldy bit, then crack on.
Should I be ded?
gnutrino@programming.dev 11 hours ago
You actually died 6 years ago, this is purgatory.
jballs@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Shit that actually makes a lot of sense
AppearanceBoring9229@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
The rule is that if its soft food as bread or jelly, its all compromised and should be thrown. If its hard like cheese, you can cut the mold and consume since the mold probably didn’t get that far inside
sartalon@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I eat moldy cheese all the time!
But I imagine bleu cheese mold doesn’t have the toxins these other types do.
bluegreenpurplepink@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
In with you and I’m still alive. Food is too expensive to throw out.
There are worst ways to die than keeling over after eating. I’ll take it.
RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
If there is visible mold on a part of a surface, then it’s reasonable to assume that a much larger part of that surface already has mold, it’s just not visible yet. Bread is basically a sponge, the surface of a sponge is the entire sponge, so that mold can have spread everywhere in the bread.
I found this overview which looks right to me: eatingwell.com/…/4-moldy-foods-you-can-eat-plus-w…
Should you be dead from eating mold? I suspect that it’s a lottery with many factors: which types of molds that you have eaten, the quantities, your immune system, … But keep at it and eventually you might win a price.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
For bread, you can smell it getting moldy before it’s even visible at all.
chgxvjh@hexbear.net 11 hours ago
at this point you are probably more fungus than human
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
For marmelade / jam / jelly it depends on the sugar contents. I don’t know how much it has to be but if it has high enough sugar contents, you can indeed take off the mould generously and eat what is under it. That said - gross! Just don’t let foods spoil. Buy what you need and plan ahead a bit.
FishFace@piefed.social 11 hours ago
But jam comes in jars of a minimum size and sometimes it goes mouldy before finishing.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 14 hours ago
If you can see mold on part of bread that's wrapped up, that means there's probably microscopic growth that's already spread past the part you see to other sections. Cutting the big part won't help you. The whole thing needs to go, it's contaminated.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
That’s life living with a human garbage disposal. They will eat anything. They’ll acknowledge the five second rule only in so much as it’s their inside joke when they eat a chunk of cake that fell on the floor at least 20 minutes earlier and miraculously escaped the canine detection system. It’s bizarre having to justify throwing away 30 cents worth of cookies that were molded because “I would have still eaten them just not the moldy parts.” but that and similar conversations are being had regularly.
bluebadoo@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Penicillin is one of many types of bread mould.
I too will probably die from bread mould poisoning given my stingy habits with food waste. It’s fine if it’s only the white/blue type, right?
prettybunnys@piefed.social 13 hours ago
Grandpa was just hoping for some psychoactive mold
tfed@infosec.exchange 14 hours ago
@fossilesque penicilin lol 💀
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 7 hours ago
The nose knows, I’m pretty sure this is what it’s for
Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 13 hours ago
bread poisoning
Oof, I remember someone once sticking a piece of bread in my sandwich in an attempt to harm me
Thankfully someone had the antidote for bread and I was fine
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
Actually… if you put moldy bread into soup, does it become safe?
My grandma used to throw all for moldy food into soup and she loved into her 80s completely healthy.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
some assholes say that we’re risk averse.
dumb fuck assholes who think the risk of dying from food poisoning is worth it just to look tough.
crystaline_porpoise@hexbear.net 13 hours ago
what a badass
MrErr@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
Glad to still be alive … Yes, i was one of those who ate around it!
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
I’m just sad because no one will get my santaroga barrier reference, it’s just something you have to feel.
brap@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Well shit, that guy at work was right.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 11 hours ago
I’m not a scientist. Is there any reason not to just eat it if its only a little bit of mould? I see so many people freak out. Bro just eat it you won’t even taste the mould over the peanut butter. Or if you’re really worried you can toast it which kills all the mould probably.
marcos@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
That’s a conversation I’ve had more than once with my parents:
– Doing X is fine! Everybody did it in my time and we grew up just fine!
– Didn’t that friend of yours die because of it?
– Yeah, but he’s only a single person, and everybody did X…
Psythik@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Anytime I hear this argument from someone, I tell them to go look up the term, “survivorship bias”.
ICastFist@programming.dev 6 hours ago
I guess they forgot to teach that in classes since then