theunknownmuncher
@theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 55 minutes ago:
I advocated for broadening the scope of what we call rape to more than just humans. It’s anthropocentric to think that only humans can be raped.
I’ve never contested this. We agree on this point.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 5 hours ago:
No, I never make personal attacks or ad hominem. The fact that you’ve stooped to this level shows that your argument has failed and you cannot use logic or reasoning to back it up.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 8 hours ago:
I have won this argument for a 2nd time because you have no other response besides “no u”
any animal can be raped
True
cows who are artificially inseminated
Is not rape and you already admitted it is not equivalent to rape.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 1 day ago:
when the really fallacy is your inability to understand nuance and context
That’s truly ironic. Again, no self awareness at all? Nuance and context is what I have highlighted to you. If you understood nuance and context, then you would understand that things happening in a different context to different subjects are actually nuanced and different. Instead your flawed world view requires all of this to be viewed as black and white and the same, when it is not.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 1 day ago:
“Comparison doesn’t mean perfect equation.”
this you?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 1 day ago:
You admitted that artificial insemination of livestock is not equivalent to rape. So yes, I did come out on top, as this was the original point that we were debating.
- Comment on Did I discover a fake conspiracy theory? 1 day ago:
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 1 day ago:
Lol ya got nothing, huh? That’s what I thought.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 1 day ago:
Comparison doesn’t mean perfect equation.
So now you’re admitting they aren’t the same? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
your world view is compatible with allowing black women to be raped in a world with chattel slavery because slaves were once though to be property of a white male.
Imagine thinking you have the moral high ground while trivializing and using the suffering of actual rape victims and slavery by falsely equating it to something as harmless as artificial insemination of livestock. That’s genuinely disgusting.
Do you really think this makes you look good or helps your argument?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
Rape doesn’t have to involve a person. Rape must involve a sentient being that can communicate its wants and desires. Humans and cows are both of those things.
Yeah, agreed. Go ahead and quote me where I stated that an animal cannot be raped. Artificial insemination is not rape though.
You’re losing the argument
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
Keep pretending that you don’t know the difference between artificial insemination of livestock and rape of a person. You do know the difference, but admitting it would prove your worldview false.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
Do you think that it isn’t rape if you do it to someone with, say, a hand/fist/arm? How about a bottle?
someone
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
Pet animals and other animals are no different in and of themselves, objectively. A pet dog is no different than a stray dog. A pet cow is no different than a domesticated cow.
Agreed. This is completely irrelevant though.
The difference in these scenarios is one scenario was artificial insemination of an animal and the other scenario was a person having sex with an animal. These are not the same actions.
I guess the vast majority of people on the planet are “psychopaths” because the can tell the difference between these 2 obvious things?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
And dox this girl to a bunch of rabid extremist vegans on the internet? Yeah right. What a great idea.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
You can’t specifically point to your answer to my question because you haven’t answered it.
If I own a human slave, me artificially inseminating them without consent isn’t rape?
If I DNA test the slave from earlier and discover they aren’t human, inseminating them without consent wouldn’t be rape?
You’re not a goldfish, so clearly you’re engaging in bad faith. Blocked.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
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- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
I have already answered all of them. No one can answer the “question” (invalid due to the flaws I’ve identified that haven’t been addressed) that concerns the “hooman”. I would answer it if it could be answered.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
I didn’t answer it because equating slaves to livestock is reprehensble and disgusting. Of course artificially inseminating any person, no matter free or enslaved, is rape.
they have every human characteristic but
but
So they don’t then, do they?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
Your question is fundamentally unanswerable because I don’t know what your imaginary “hooman” is (neither do you. As a matter of fact, it isn’t even one thing because it will change and become anything you need it to be try to “catch” me in a false gotcha).
Nice try though.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
If the scenarios you’ve proposed cannot be compared or equated to the topic at hand, then they aren’t relevant.
If your logic worked in real life or with the topic we are actually discussing, then prove it by sticking to reality.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
They’re absurd because they’re a false equivalency, which is a logical fallacy. Animal livestock are not comparable to human slaves.
What’s it say when your logic does not work for real life scenarios, so you have to make up nonsense fantasy scenarios to try to force an inconsistency?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
If I own a human slave
…
If I DNA test the slave from earlier and discover they aren’t human
Uh… what are they, then?
I don’t think these absurd hypotheticals are helping your argument.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
Forcibly impregnating someone is rape. Artificially inseminating livestock is not rape. Having sex with a pet animal is rape. Having sex with a consenting adult is not rape.
I don’t think you’re being genuine, but if you really can’t tell the difference between these 4 things or why there are lines drawn between them and actually do find them to be arbitrary distinctions, then I don’t know what to tell you.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
watch a documentary
I love how vegans are literally always someone who fell for fake propaganda and never someone with real knowledge or experience of the agricultural industry. I watched several of my vegan friends do a 180 in vet school once they started internships and saw first hand how the animal industry operates, and realized their ex-conviction was based on sensationalized lies.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
So it is the societal and cultural context that dictates whether it is okay or not, and not something actually tangible and measurable?
Yes, of course. This is quite literally what defines morality itself. There is no universal, tangible, or measurable morality.
Then I hope we may shift that context a bit to perhaps treat animals a bit less like robots overall, and individual living creatures with their own emotional lives and complexities.
Okay.
Tradition, and personal satisfaction is a poor excuse to continue something abusive.
Yes, which is why it is good that we aren’t doing anything abusive by artificially inseminating livestock.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
You thought you had me. Your argument is invalid and includes logical fallacies, because you’ve swapped the original situation, which was artificial insemination of livestock, for having sex with a pet. These are not comparable.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
Whether a dog is “someone” is irrelevant. Forcibly impregnating someone is rape. Artificially inseminating livestock is not rape. Having sex with a pet animal is rape. Having sex with a consenting adult is not rape. Different things actually are, in fact, different.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
What would you call the act of nonconsensually sticking your dick into your dog, and do you think it’s horrible?
Raping a dog is bad, yes.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
“I lead someone who disagrees with me into saying something stupid once, therefore everyone who disagrees with me must have cognitive dissonance.”
Lol
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
That’s correct, yes.
However, my dog is my property, and someone can only artificially inseminate my property with my permission.
