“She’s probably right.” “Dude was probably violent.” “Easier to give up your guns than fight this in court” “Just give up your guns!”
Lmao wowww lemmy. Nobody here likes due process?
Anon breaks up
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StarMerchant938@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
slaacaa@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Lot of US leftists and liberals hate guns, as a reaction to the right’s obsession with them.
It is a stupid and dangerous reaction, because they give up their means of self-defense against far right militias and a fascist government.
StarMerchant938@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
You’re spot on. I’m actively advocating all my friends go out and purchase a firearm while they can. Not for some far fetched rebellion against tyranny, but simply to protect themselves from getting hate-crimed by the scum who suddenly feel they’ve been given permission to do so by this regime.
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
No, lots of liberal hate guns. Lots of leftists are either anarchist or communist, both of which support arming the populace. Many socialists support gun ownership as well.
o0evillusion0o@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
😂 right! Like the fascist government that is now taking hold of the US. Not fascist enough to defend themselves yet?
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
I don’t hate guns, I hate the “gun rights” movements and there fetishization of a skewed interpretation of the second amendment where any individual has the unalieanable right to own a gun.
Even if a violent revolution were to happen, which odds are 99 to 1 it wont happen in the US in our lifetimes, then people like op hoarding guns aren’t going to help. A well regulated militia might but that requires social organization and discipline, which most people in the gun rights movement don’t have the time or willingness for.
They aren’t serious about using guns to defend liberty, they just like the aesthetic of it and make it part of there personality. So much so that they get offended by dumb and probably made up stories like this but not the countless other similar stories where there were no red flag laws and the gf gets killed.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 hours ago
Then they post about how the gun owners aren’t doing anything to stop the fascist government. Yea, you’ve been alienating them for decades. They’re not on your side.
absentbird@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I think we just don’t like guns.
the_elder@midwest.social 16 hours ago
Speak for yourself. God forbid men should have a hobby.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
Eh, the cops are worse than the guns.
Don’t be disarming when gestapo in roaming the streets.
(But Anon probably supports the gestapo tho… 🤷♂️)
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Dunno, someone having guns is a big red flag to me.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 17 hours ago
“Ah yes, someone is trying to break into my house, let’s go down to the shop and buy a gun”
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 13 hours ago
Someone having guns to shoot the boot soldiers of an unjust regime? All for it. Big green flag to me.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
Lemmy wants it easier for cops to take away your guns, but simultaneously distrust the cops and want to abolish the police. So which is it lol?
But then again, this is 4chan so Anon probably is on the side of the tyrants anyways; they think they’re part of “the good ones”.
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 23 hours ago
I wonder if anon left something out? Like, threating to kill her or the person(s) she cheated with. Or some of the weapons being illegal? Nah, it would have been included if they weren’t. Some people have high drama lives.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I’m very sure he was very amicable and reasonable about it. He’s on 4chan, after all.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
FYI, women are just as capable of being terrible people as men are
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 hours ago
Yes, but this is 4chan, so the odds aren’t in OP’s favor.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 18 hours ago
My understanding is there is not a single state with red flag laws that allow all weapons to be seized based on one person’s word. Well other than a doctor giving a professional diagnosis.
For everyone else you have to have some evidence. Either multiple people witnessing threats/harassment video, or text based evidence.
Honytawk@feddit.nl 18 hours ago
Sure, but it isn’t their side we read.
halvar@lemy.lol 22 hours ago
well even if this is the whole truth it would be a testament to his character that his girlfriend would cheat on him and then lie to the police just so he gets in trouble
Saleh@feddit.org 21 hours ago
Some people have bad radars about how dangerous the people they get in bed with are.
Some people self-sabotage by getting with toxic partners in the same pattern over and over again because they have unaddressed psychological issues.
KombatWombat@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
C’mon, he probably is leaving important details out, but “if people treat him badly, he must deserve it” is hardly fair.
Rooskie91@discuss.online 14 hours ago
In the hypothetical scenario that this is the whole truth, what you’re doing is victim blaming.
match@pawb.social 13 hours ago
if you have multiple guns and can’t afford a lawyer you have kinda fucked your priorities
shalafi@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
You either overestimate how much guns cost or underestimate how much lawyers cost.
11111one11111@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Or any of the scenarios where op is no longer employed or self employed and between jobs. Court appointed attorneys are based on current income iirc.
felixwhynot@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Fake: anon has gf Gay: anon writing fanfic flirting with male cops
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 hours ago
Had
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
The comments here are a good example of how the gun control movement is the left-wing counterpart to the pro-life movement. It’s origin lies in emotion, not reason. It’s filled with fallacious arguements and when that fails to convince someone, the movement tends to move towards snarky comments and outright hostility.
Evem those that are trying to be reasonable by drawing conclusions based on data almost always are using cherry-picked statistics that was fed by those trying to manipulate them.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
It’s very amusing to read such things from outside the American hellscape.
SPRUNT@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
It’s a good argument, but it’s entirely flawed because American policy is that the children have no worth until they pay taxes.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
To compare dead children to the cost of failing to check government power, we can reduce both to life-years lost:
🔫 Current Cost: Child Firearm Deaths in the U.S.
- ~2,000 preventable child gun deaths/year
- ~60 life-years lost per death
- 120,000 life-years lost annually
- Over 30 years: ~3.6 million life-years lost
🏛️ Hypothetical Benefit: Preventing Tyranny
Assume a worst-case scenario:
- Authoritarian collapse kills 10 million (based on 20th-century examples)
- Avg. age at death: ~40 → ~35 life-years lost
- 10M deaths × 35 = 350 million life-years lost
Estimate risk:
- Without civilian arms: 0.5% chance over 30 years
- With civilian arms: 0.4% chance
- These figures are speculative; there’s no empirical support that civilian gun ownership reduces the risk of tyranny—many stable democracies have strict gun control.
In fact, high civilian armament may reduce stability:
- Greater availability of weapons increases the lethality of civil unrest, crime, and domestic terrorism.
- Armed polarization can accelerate breakdown during political crises, as seen in failed or fragile states.
- States may respond with harsher repression, escalating rather than deterring authoritarian outcomes.
📊 Expected Value Calculation
- Without arms: 0.005 × 350M = 1.75 million life-years at risk
- With arms: 0.004 × 350M = 1.2 million life-years at risk
- Net benefit of arms: ~550,000 life-years saved (generous estimate)
📉 Conclusion
Even with favorable assumptions:
- Civilian firearms cost ~3.6M life-years (due to preventable child deaths)
- And prevent only ~550K life-years (via marginally lower tyranny risk)
Bottom line: The ongoing cost vastly outweighs the hypothetical benefit, and high armament may worsen long-term stability rather than protect it.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Accidental deaths from firearms can be reduced by making people get obligatory training and requiring storage in a gun safe, when not carried.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I mean if someone makes death threats to someone else they should absolutely have their guns taken away.
The problem is that the system is open to abuse. Anyone who wants to get back at someone can make up allegations and have their guns taken away with no due process.
But on the other hand if you make this process too difficult you can allow someone who is actually dangerous to keep their guns.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
I mean if someone makes death threats to someone else they should absolutely have their guns taken away.
The thing is, this isn’t shown in the original post. Also, making death threats on its own is illegal, red flag laws aren’t required if the person making the report has proof.
Said victim could even get a restraining order if they were worried about violence, which won’t completely assure safety but will go down a process that actually uses due process and doesn’t violate anyone’s rights.
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
I don’t avoid guns due to a fear of crime. I avoid guns due to a fear of negligence.
Every single day, someone in my family does something negligent, but ultimately harmless. Oops. Now there’s an extra dirty dish. Oops. Broke a coaster. Oops. Dirty towel. Oops. Got sprayed with water.
Putting a gun in that situation would be pretty dangerous.
I suppose some households could keep guns responsibly. Mine could not, despite my personal practices.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
I don’t understand how you justify in your head adding guns into any of those situations you listed.
If you own guns, you’re supposed to have a secure way to store them. Especially if you have kids. While some people do leave guns sitting around the house, that is strongly discouraged.
You’re supposed to keep guns inside a safe unless you’re about to use it such as going to a range or hunting. And best practice is to keep ammo secured in a separate safe as an extra measure. And when you are handling a gun, you always check if it’s loaded and follow the 4 rules of gun safety
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Uh, there is reason in not wanting people to be shot by a culture of fear.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Look up overall crime statistics for both countries that restrict firearm access and those who don’t. You’ll find that overall violent crime ends up being proportional to the countries’ midi coefficient (a measurement of economic inequality). Firearm availability mainly changes the proportion of violent crimes involving firearms vs overall violent crime.
Like I said, most of the statistics you see are cherry-picked to give an overly simplistic view of crime to distract from the fact that economic inequality is a huge correlating factor
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
The gun control movement is not left-wing. The left supports gun ownership overwhelmingly.
booly@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Gun suicides are a huge problem, so there is a legitimate need for interventions in the appropriate circumstances. Suicidal ideation is also usually an impulsive or fleeting idea, so removing the means of suicide only temporarily can be a solution to that temporary problem.
The Swiss saw suicide rates drop with reduced access to firearms in shrinking their military, and the Israeli military has seen weekend suicide rates drop by simply having troops check in their weapons into armories over weekends, without a corresponding change in weekday suicides.
Anti-suicide nets on bridges work very well, too, because simply making a suicide more inconvenient, or require a bit more planning, is often enough to just make it so that the suicide attempt never happens.
So yeah. I’m generally against restrictions on firearm ownership or access for people who can be responsible with them, but I’m 100% on board with interventions for taking guns away for mental health crises, and restrictions on those found by a court to have engaged in domestic violence. And, like, convicted criminals, too.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
but I’m 100% on board with interventions for taking guns away for mental health crises, and restrictions on those found by a court to have engaged in domestic violence.
The issue with red flag laws is that they completely bypass this. When the police recieve a report, they end up seizing the guns without any due process, and the owners has to sue to get them back.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 17 hours ago
Pro life and pro gun control are both anti-killing positions about preserving human life.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Not true, “pro-life” is actually “anti-woman’s life”. Those people would rather have an adult person die from an ectopic pregnancy than have a clump of cancer removed.
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
This is the horror story for red flag laws existing.
Now imagine the horror stories of red flag laws not existing
58008@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I appreciate the 100% complete, unbiased and unvarnished picture of the situation Green OP (Gropey?) has painted for us.
the_elder@midwest.social 14 hours ago
Story: Girlfriend cheats This guy: Maybe he deserved it
Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Funny to read the comments. I don’t want to judge anyone as Im not american and I grew up without even touching a real gun.
Its just amazing how big role guns play in US culture. I can’t imagine owning one, but most americans can’t live without them. Its very bizarre.
obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
It’s not most Americans. It’s about a third (which is still huge) and less than half of the population living in a gun owning household.
Then there’s a spectrum of how “important” guns are culturally. There are in my experience 3 categories of gun owners.
- People who own a gun or two. They may take it to the range or hunt, but mostly it’s tucked securely away and they don’t think about it or use it.
2)Then there are collectors and enthusiasts. They enjoy firearms as a hobby. They have multiple. They watch firearms videos on social media. They go to gun shows and might join a club related to the hobby.
3)Then there are the paranoid psychopaths for whom gun ownership and the insistence that they could have to defend themselves at any time is constantly at the forefront of their mind. They wish they had a reason to shoot someone and may end up shooting someone anyway.
shalafi@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I’m a #2 except I dislike gun shows. Everything’s overpriced and there’s right-wing merch everywhere. Bought a canteen from a Proud Boy at one. Didn’t know it until I overheard him talking to another guy. Tried to investigate him later, couldn’t get a name.
Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Sorry bad phrasing, by most I meant a lot of americans. Thanks for correcting me :)
I am somewhat familiar with the type of gun owners from US media and movies.
For me the most mind-blowing thing is how easy is to get a gun at some places. I just imagine some shady people I know in my country, even some of my family members and can’t imagine them having access to guns :D
Alk@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
It perpetuates itself. If someone thinks there is a significant probability a burglar might have a gun, getting a gun themselves can increase their chance of survival. This is even ignoring the actual culture around it, where people want guns “just to have them”.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 hours ago
You don’t own a gun in case of a burglar having a gun. It’s in case of home invasion period. I’m not going to wait around to determine if they’re armed or not and I’m not going to restrict myself to some lesser means of stopping them just because they aren’t. I didn’t create this situation and I am not going to accept risk to myself to preserve the life of some asshole who doesn’t even respect me enough not to break into my home.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
Wtf? Cops just come and take your shit away because some girl said so?
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 20 hours ago
No. Thats 4chan, a place of lies and deception.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_law
Despite being blatantly unconstitutional (deprives a citizen of rights based on an accusation without trial) red flag laws exist in 21 states.
In this particular thread, 4chan is a better source of information than Lemmy.
Olap@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is so American. Just give up the damn guns!
Saleh@feddit.org 21 hours ago
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
-Karl Marx
SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
Because we should totally trust our government with our protection…
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
and leave the violent fascists in red states and the government to have a monopoly on violence? get fucked.
JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 17 hours ago
That is a very controversial take for Americans, and not just from a gun-toter’s perspective. The US has a long history of gun violence, yes, but the US also has a long history of state corruption which only ended by guns driving that corruption back.
In 1946, Veterans in the town of Athens used their firearms to fight against a corrupt police department helping the standing state rig the elections.
In 1921 The Battle of Blair Mountain occurred, where West Virginia miners who’d been stuck in the exploitive company town employment model, battled along the ridges of Blair Mountain against Police. In the company towns you could be fired from your job and evicted from your home without trial - since the mining company owned the houses and only let employees use them - and being in a Union was a fireable offense. This was the largest labor uprising in US history, mine workers fighting deputy sheriffs and strike breakers, with the police actually using biplanes to drop bombs overtop the heads of the miners. This was apart of the Coal Wars of the US, and apart of the broader Labor Wars in the US, which eventually led to the pro-labor regulations we now have in place within the US (which are now being dismantled despite a massive rise in peaceful protests).
In 1968, the Holy Week Uprising occurred in response to Rev. Martin Luther King Junior’s assassination, and fueled by the massive inequality that the black community still faced.
All of these were cases of a overhead government, whether state, town, or federal, failing to provide for it citizens, and those citizens helping change that governments’ behaviour through violent armed uprising. It is a regular occurrence in American history for us to have corrupt officials who start setting inhumane policies, and it’s also been a regular occurrence for that corruption to need violent intervention in order for changes for the better to occur.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I’m tending to side with her, but they were legally purchased and probably expensive, it would be nice if he could at least get a tax write-off or something.
Texas_Hangover@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
Make me.
Oh wait. You can’t🤣
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If you can afford a bunch of guns there’s no chance in hell you’re getting approved for a public defender. Good luck anon
Honytawk@feddit.nl 18 hours ago
Can afford a bunch of guns and ammo, but can’t afford a lawyer to defend yourself in court?
Strange priorities
mholiv@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I mean you can buy a gun for 200 USD at Walmart. Lawyers cost 200 USD per hour.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Anon can easily get a lawyer pro-bono who would nail a case like this to a cross.
In civil court, because she defamed him causing real and considerable loss of property.
As for defending, Anon hasn’t really outlined any laws he might have broken…? Court for what? Just go to the trial and explain your side clearly and concisely: never a threat to anybody, cheating girlfriend made a false report.
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
lol I’d love to meet the lawyer who would be willing to defend a 4channer on contingency.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
I mean… isn’t that what is NRA is for?
Or… do they only defend rich white people’s gun rights? 🤔
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
I’d like to hear her version
bigfondue@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Right? I’m sure the BF is a very well adjusted person that just happens to post on 4chan
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
1/ fake and gay
2/ if you can’t afford a lawyer, then you REALLY need a lawyer
AlexisFR@jlai.lu 1 day ago
Well? How did this story end? I can’t find it in the 4plebs archive.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Anon hired a decent lawyer who argued that the seizure was frivolous and antagonistic. The court agreed, but by the time his guns were released, they had all converted to Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, and Linux.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Crazy how someone can just make a call to the cops and that shit happens. Kinda like swatting
Wilco@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
WTF is a Red Flag law? No way this is the US … dude would win so much rights violation $$$.
kehet@sopuli.xyz 22 hours ago
Just buy few cereal boxes and you’ll have new guns and maybe some bullets if you’re lucky
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lka1988@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Without context, this could be easily dismissed.
However, OP is posting on 4chan, so it’s likely he did pose a threat.