honey look, freedom of expression and the right to protest in America just got dropped.
fuck this asshole
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PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
rational_lib@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Let’s not keep making the mistake of assuming Trump’s tweets have force of law. He’s just talking out of his ass again, just like he’s not actually invading greenland and canada. If Trump tries to do anything in this regard no judge* will uphold it.
*Obligatory other than Clarence Thomas
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
People in power do what he says. His word is de facto law, even if it’s illegal. It literally does not matter. You are in denial if you think he’s not going to get away with this.
laurelraven@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
Let’s not keep making the mistake of assuming the rule of law matters at this point. If he does something and nobody stops it, its legality or lack there of is moot. If he says to do something and people do it and nobody stops him (or judge’s rulings about it are ignored), then it doesn’t matter that it was illegal.
I know you’re just trying to get people to calm down, but at this point, people are right to be scared and right to think these things could actually come to pass considering it has happened before. Maybe it won’t get that far… But plenty has already happened that should never have happened, and the US currently has a president who is illegally, specifically unconstitutionally, holding office and was allowed to be sworn in anyway, so it’s probably not a good idea to assume this won’t happen just because it’s also unconstitutional.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Hey remember that wall that didn’t get built?
The fact that no one is trolling him about it shows how people are weirdly compliant about all this.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
“…illegal protest…”?
Oh right, the US Constitution doesn’t exist any more.
seejur@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Next time an american speaks about “muh first amendment”, “USA only free speech country in the world” bullshit, show them this
MisanthropiCynic@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
The problem is it cuts both ways. The Democrats saying they want hate speech to not be protected and Nazi propaganda to be censored is just the flipside of the same coin.
Either you have free speech or you don’t
YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
You are not wrong. The Supreme Court finding presidential immunity and then allowing an insurrectionist to run in contravention of the 14th amendment seems to have finally put the old document to rest.
treadful@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
We live according to royal decree now.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
now you’re catching on! You’ll be head of a department in no time under drumpf’s regime!
TheRedSpade@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Correct
farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
lol it never has the united states has a long history of killing, maiming, and imprisoning protestors
Ziglin@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I mean just to be fair isn’t it illegal to have a huge protest without informing the authorities first? Also violent protests would be illegal too, right?
These assumptions are based on similar laws from other countries. But I don’t really believe Trump is talking about those protests or just planning to forbid them from getting permission to happen.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
This is the same as the Zelensky trap. They’re going to cut federal funding regardless. The just plan on getting you to bend the knee before hand.
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Apparantly, (in the US) any protest that needs to occupy the road requires a permit. Yea imagine how stupid it is, you want to protest the government and you need to apply for permission?!? I was shocked when my teacher told me about this. Seems like a huge First Amendment violation to me, but society just goes along with it. 😓
So unless your protest is strictly on the sidewalk, you need a permit. So fucking dumb.
96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 4 weeks ago
You don’t need a permit to march in the streets or on sidewalks, as long as marchers don’t obstruct car or pedestrian traffic. And that makes a lot of sense because if you block a road perhaps emergency services need to know ahead of time that they can’t take that route. Or others concerns may be relevant. For the very same reasons this is similar in countries around the world. Source: www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/protesters-rights
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
Murrica is not nearly as free as people think it is
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Technically it’s the same in France. I’ll let you figure how much that stops anyone…
pappabosley@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
So that’s why they’re so car centric with their infrastructure, more sidewalls = more protests
Texas_Hangover@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Well yeah, keep your dumbasses out the fucking street.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
Its the same everywhere, doesn’t mean it’s not dumb but that’s how it is.
samus12345@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
That permit is worth as much to them as the original piece of paper in the scene.
usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
1st ammendment to the constitution since conservatives love to claim they support it
Letstakealook@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Ah! But it says “congress shall make no law,” not that “the president shall tweet no bullshit!”
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
tbh, the founding fathers did fuck this up quite bad, by not including this
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Bold of you to assume that the US is a country still under the rule.of law.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 weeks ago
Laws only matter if they are enforced.
The right wing doesn’t care about law or consistency. They care about in-groups to protect and out groups to bind.
If “how do treat strangers” is a viable metric for assessing if someone is a good person or not, the the right wing are not good people.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Nah I’m pretty sure the 1st amendment just says I can say the N word /s
obinice@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yeah but they’re gonna rewrite the constitution, it’s gonna be the best constitution the founding fathers will be jealous they didn’t come up with this thing it’s gonna be airtight and on the blockchain
leadore@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Oh, we don’t use that outdated piece of paper any more, haven’t you heard?
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Congress isn’t making a law. Instead, the President is committing treason while his party pretends not to notice and the other party flops around like a dead fish.
Jesus_666@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
That’s not a problem if executive orders are treated as law; the first amendment doesn’t curtail the president’s power.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Mask up. Leave your phones at home. Break shit.
shirro@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
They won’t. They couldn’t even get upset over kids being massacred every week in their schools. They are a broken people. Have been for decades. Their military.and economy didn’t fail. Their moral fiber did. They substituted thoughts and prayers and other virtue signalling for community organisation and direct action.
If you think I am wrong then don’t reply. Go outside and prove it. Nobody gives a shit what people write in social media. It means nothing.
houstoneulers@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
What’s an illegal protest? I thought first amendment speech covered that
Also, how can he expel a student from a school he doesn’t control? or does he mean expel students from the country?
Zerush@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
something_random_tho@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
This happened before: en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl
Tattorack@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The amount of times I’ve heard salty right wing grifters complain about Orwellian censorship on literally everything. But I guess it’s just fine if cult leader Trump dies it, because before he stands for what’s right and sticks it to those progressive plebs, right?
noxypaws@pawb.social 4 weeks ago
All federal funding will stop
That’s the only part here anyone needs to know.
He’ll threaten to pull funding for his stupid pet issues first, then pull it anyways for everyone else.
Therefore, fucking ignore his threats, nothing you can do will ever appease him and he will go back on his own word like it’s a bodily function.
Jhex@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Hey Muricans, this is what you wanted and voted for (or could’t be bother voting to prevent)… enjoy
or, hit the streets and remove the fascist gov you elected
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Ill do whatever the fuck I want bitch, shut the fuck up and go suck Elons dick.
birne@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
Does “NO MASKS” mean that choosing to wear a mask to protect your health is now forbidden at colleges or is there another meaning that I don’t understand? It is so random and has nothing to do with the rest of the post except for being “woke”.
art@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Ah yes, that free speech that Musk is always taking about.
helloworld55@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
This is absolutely absurd. People have a right to a lawful assembly.
Anyone supporting this guy is insane. Literally trying to become an emperor
PanArab@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
I remember when the Democrats brought down the hammer hard on anti-genocide protestors in universities. Trump is doing the same, but expanding it to all protests.
May 10, 2024 Map: Where university protesters have been arrested across the United States
collapse_already@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
What does he think “illegal” means? Is he getting rid of the first amendment?
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 4 weeks ago
Well there you go kids, he just explicitly named exactly all the things you should be doing.
Fontasia@feddit.nl 4 weeks ago
Then they came from the students, and I watched my parents still beg for more fascism because they thought they were going to be billionaires any day now
Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
Isn’t this the exact type of thing the 2nd Amendment types were supposed to have their guns and militia to guard against?
elrik@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Well that’s easy. The protests aren’t illegal. Therefore this amounts to nothing.
Fuck this dude.
ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Ah there goes another thing that distinguished the USA from China and Russia.
billwashere@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I didn’t think it was possible to hate this fucker more and more each and yet here we are.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Blue states need to start up their own shadow government, fund their own shit.
Zerush@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
SolidShake@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
ive seen a lot of nazi protesters with masks on though. what about those cunts?
TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Is this real
vodkasolution@feddit.it 4 weeks ago
Americans, you are living under a fascist regime.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
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ceenote@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I swallowed my misgivings and voted Democrat, just like I’ve done st each election since I turned 18, but handwaving away valid criticisms is not how you get people to side with you. Pressure needs to be put on the democrats to be better, too.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
I’m 100% for valid criticisms—I don’t even consider myself a Democrat and I have no compunctions about criticizing them when I think they are wrong. But I’m pretty sure that meme is directed at those who withheld their vote.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Shielding the Democrats from the pressure to adopt more popular positions lost this election.
thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 4 weeks ago
Not voting for them has never once, in the history of history, gotten them to change. It actually causes them to pull further right.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yep, I voted D like I always did…
But I spent a lot of time ringing any alarm bell coupd find that all of Joe and Kamal’s moves to the right was gonna cost us the election, and that the victory fund would lose the House and Senate.
I was right on all counts, but the people I was trying to explain it won’t admit that reality proved them wrong.
There’s no criticism for what the party did wrong, only anger at anyone with higher standards than the letter by the name.
Neoliberals want nothing as much as they want blindly loyal Dem voters, it’s the only way most people ever hold their noses and vote for one. But rather than have a candidate dem voters want, they’d rather risk trump.
When they shut on voters like in that meme, they’re telling us they have zero problem watching the country burn. They’d rather have trump than a Dem who agrees with Dem voters.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
No one is hand waving away anything by asking people to vote
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
If you look carefully, you’ll find statements about how “neither option affects [this particular thing] but we have the best chance of fixing it after the election if we still have a country”.
It was never handwaved. It was the least-worse option with some kind of hope given that issue and a thousand others. How many times this has fucking been fucking explained and not fucking understood.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They’re already 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000x better than Republicans. So someone would have to be pretty goddamn stupid not to vote for them when the options are them or Republicans.
The majority of the fault isn’t on Democrats. It’s on goddamn stupid braindead asshole American voters for being goddamn stupid braindead assholes.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The argument, was the least bad between two bads. This is way worse than the alternative would ever get
crusa187@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Nobody pushing genocide is worthy of votes or support.
It was incumbent on Dems to EARN votes, and they failed spectacularly. You’re wrong to try blaming voters for failings of our corrupt politicians.
Taldan@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Will you still be saying that when Trump puts a resort in Gaza?
Trump has made it crystal clear: He plans for the complete and total ethnuc cleansing of Gaza. All Palestinians will be killed or removed
That’s what Arab and Palestinian Americans chose
DogWater@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Virtue signaling doesn’t wash blood off your hands sweetie
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
So this includes trump for his support of two separate groups that have demonstrated willingness to commit genocide.
houseofleft@slrpnk.net 4 weeks ago
I’m not American so nobody got my vote, but seems to me like the issue is with the swathes of people choosing facism rather than progressives who chose not to vote.
Choosing how to act in a world like ours is tricky, anyone following a sense of right and wrong (even if I disagree with their judgement) instead of fear, hate, greed or whatever gets a gold star in my book.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Inaction is still a choice, though. I totally understand the sentiment behind that choice and even agree that we shouldn’t be forced to choose genocide, but the alternative that we got is a man who not only wants the same genocide, but wants to accelerate it, put American boots on the ground to assist in it, and then turn the bloodied ground into resorts while also wanting to worsen life across the globe. So, by refusing to act, they didn’t oppose that man getting into power. They cared so much about genocide that, ironically, they enabled making that genocide worse by not acting against that possibility.
The biggest issue, though, is with the people who couldn’t be bothered enough to vote. Some, what, 40% of Americans never vote? Of course, there’s plenty there who can’t due to things like gerrymandering, but there’s a huge swathe of white suburbanites who simply prefer the status quo to actually improving things.
lorty@lemmygrad.ml 4 weeks ago
Biden also surpressed student protests. This isn’t the gotcha you think it is
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Ahh. This bullshit trope from the class of people basically responsible for Trump winning the 2024 election.
fartsparkles@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Sorry, did you just blame the people who didn’t vote for Trump for being responsible for Trump being president? Interesting mental gymnastics there…
NotMushroomForDebate@lemmygrad.ml 4 weeks ago
Putting Genocide Joe in scare quotes. Libs are going fully mask-off in this thread.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Blue MAGA
cybersin@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Imagine thinking 5 people on the internet caused Trump to win.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They only had $1,500,000,00 to spend on Biden/Harris…
How is that supposed to counter the majority of Dem voters not wanting the Dem candidate?
What are they supposed to do?
Run a fair primary, back the winning candidate in the general, and stop bankrupting state parties?!
George Clooney doesn’t eat dinner for free ya know…
nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
zuck, Elon, bezos… those three are on the internet. got 2 more?
lobut@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
I feel a lot of people do a lot to justify stupid behaviour. “Saving is too hard” or “exercise is too hard”. There’s legit reasons to not be able to save, or exercise or being able to 🤨.
However there’s a lot of bullshit that people were spouting. It’s either a coordinated campaign or just dumb shit. What annoys me is everyone piling on Joe and then they did what people wanted and swapped to Kamala and they’re still upset that the Dems “don’t listen”. Whatever, they’re all full of it.
I fucking hate the Democrats but you have to be completely psycho to justify not-voting for them.
To be clear, I’m Canadian and I’m directly impacted by this now. So fuck all of those people.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Your comment’s downvotes = how many profoundly stupid people who STILL haven’t learned from their mistake there are out there.
Nasan@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
Refusal to hold themselves accountable for their own actions/inactions is a trait they share with mainline MAGA.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
At the time I read your comment.
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zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Why are we still talking about this? It’s over, and we can’t undo the results.
Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 4 weeks ago
If the Democrats wanted me to vote for their candidate they should have picked one that didn’t suck balls
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
While I did vote blue conservative (for the last time), they were not worthy of that vote because they did not represent me. That’s how representative democracy works.
Why are you okay with people being underrepresented at the voting booth? Are you actively working to replace First Past the Post voting in your state? People should have the freedom to vote for the candidates they believe are best, while still ensuring their votes count against those they don’t want in office.
It’s not as though democrats are just now learning of the mathematical flaws of FPTP. Every election I’ve seen the same bullshit excuses to take people’s inalienable right to vote how they want. Democrats in blue states made a choice to leave a huge portion of the population unrepresented, all for safe states and easy elections.
We don’t need to wait for a miracle from Congress, we can pass election reform one state at a time. Should we have more elections, we must remove the democratic monopoly on this fight against the republicans. Don’t worry, blue conservative, you will be free to vote for your preference under a more representative electoral system. Because who would want to deny someone the right to vote for the person they feel is best? You apparently.
Alaska has already abolished FPTP voting. After Ranked Choice Voting kept Sarah Palin out of office, Alaskan Republicans tried to pass a referendum to revert to FPTP, but the people voted to keep Ranked Choice. Why would you want to use the same voting system that Republicans favor? Do you support democracy, or do you get off on forcing people unrepresented in government to vote for your preference?
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