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  • djsoren19@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s wild that the U.K. doesn’t teach the Odyssey, I thought their whole thing was stealing other peoples’ culture and pretending they owned it now.

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    • Lemming421@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Shakespeare invented literature, so clearly there’s no value in teaching anything from before him…

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      • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You haven’t experienced Shakespear unless you read it in the original klingon.

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      • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Fair point.

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    • ScrollerBall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Well Greece wasn’t ever a British colony, so they didn’t have as many opportunities to steal artifacts and culture as they did with, say, Egypt.

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      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles

        en.wikipedia.org/…/Category:Ancient_Greek_and_Rom…

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      • slartibartfast@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’m sure they had ample opportunity to steal Greek artefacts from when Greeks invaded Egypt and India.

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      • Shiggles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Also see: the Ionian Islands from 1815 to 1862

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    • stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’ve heard of Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, does that count?

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      • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        That translation has fallen out of favor with contemporary scholars but you get the gist.

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    • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Is it even taught in the US? 🤔

      I didn’t read it for school. I just liked reading and had this gnarly book featuring all the greatest hits of Greek mythology growing up.

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      • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I read it for school

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      • skooma_king@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Definitely was in the rural, redneck school I went to.

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      • austinfloyd@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Went to a mediocre high school in the US, and I had an English/writing course where the only materials were the Aeneid, Illiad, Odyssey, and Mythology by Edith Hamilton.

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      • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        My 10th grade English class studied a small section of it, like one self contained story.

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      • GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I read both The Illiad and a shortened version of The Odyssey in school.

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    • arudesalad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Just looked it up, the Odyssey can be taught in the UK but it is rarely chosen because Shakespeare is easier to teach and students who pick Shakespeare get better grades on average.

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      • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        We don’t like to brag about it but we fought the Brits in the War of 1812, one of the things we took from England was Greek literature. In turn, we Americans lost the definition of jams vs jelly and the superior spelling of “colour”.

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      • metaldream@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Odd that it’s a choice between them. We learned Shakespeare and Homer where I am in the US.

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    • casmael@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      ……………I did the odyssey at various points man I think the guy in the tweet is just Polyphemus or smthn like ‘I don’t know who this nobody guy is, ain’t never heard of no odyssey before bro’

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    • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Not in secondary school but I did the Illiad, the Anaed, the Odyssey and Ovids Metamorphoses in 6th form college.

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    • wingsfortheirsmiles@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I did study it at school but had to take Classical Civilisation for one of my GCSE options. Our default in English Literature was a Shakespeare work as previously mentioned (Merchant of Venice for me). I also recall studying An Inspector Calls?

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  • Enkers@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    When the only Homer they know is Homer Simpson.

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    • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Fun fact: the voice actor for Homer Simpson also voiced Homer (the Greek one) in the Disney Hercules animated series.

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    • Lenny@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Image

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    • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Fox should sue those lazy Greeks for stealing the name.

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    • sdcSpade@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Even The Simpsons covered the Odyssey at some point though.

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  • mhague@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The world doesn’t revolve around America, but you’ll see idiots in Bumbfuck, Romania talking about Soros and wokeism. It’s got to be exhausting.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Soros is a Hungarian Jew who survived the Holocaust and moved to America afterwards btw

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      • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Even more of a Nazi dog whistle than when the American right does it?

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      • mhague@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        “The Jews are trying to replace us.” ?

        Orban / the party in charge were saying Soros was using his money and power to flood Romania with immigrants.

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      • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Still exhausting!

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    • OmegaLemmy@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I find that people get more ticked off about the woke in non American countries even if it really doesn’t involve them (it should) but even then they increase their hostility because of it

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  • modifier@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    As an American, I am going to dine on this single example as if it disproves the idea that we are insular and provincial hicks for the next decade.

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    • CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      nah, it just proves that brits are as stupid as you are, which is, tbh, is not a surprise /s

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      • ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        We had Brexit. We can’t say nothing.

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      • FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The /s is unnecessary, I can assure you we are stupid and nobody should be surprised.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Certainly stashing it away in the ammo belt.

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  • bulwark@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The problem is, I have this big bag of stones in my glass house, and I want to throw them at the UK for being dumb, but if I do, I also have to admit the US education system is trash.

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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’ll throw that stone for you

      The British education system is almost as bad as the American education system. The biggest difference between our cultures is that a lot of Americans are willing to point out how incredibly racist our country is

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      • MutilationWave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        And a lot of far right Americans have taken over local school boards to ban books that talk about gay people existing or the fact that sex is something that happens, among other nefarious purposes. And a religious organization in Texas writes pretty much all the textbooks used across the country. It can’t be this bad in the UK can it?

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      • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        So much broken glass, was it worth it? Now I have to go get the broom.

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    • i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I mean, I have no qualms with recognizing the US education system is garbage… It gives me more fire to try to improve it.

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    • BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I can do both. I’m ot gonna let some backwater pit like the UK insult my home, especially since the UK is essentially completely dependent on the US at this point.

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    • thebigslime@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Both can be true. We can be trash in different ways!

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  • DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The Illiad and the Odyssey are classics and hardly American culture. They are western culture as a whole. No idea what the drama is about but some dude not knowing what the Odyssey is, is the same as not knowing any other classic. (There are too many to count, but not knowing the most popular ones are is like not knowing the titanic sank.) (Spoilers)

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That’s the joke.

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  • _chris@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    To be fair, the only people left on Xitter are idiots

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    • Krudler@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The world is awash in morons and they aren’t localized to that venue, although by way of it’s very structure, it’s a venue that strongly attracts people incapable of holding two thoughts at the same time.

      As G Carlin would have said, think how stupid the average person is and realize 50% are stupider than that. This is the world we live in - where the trivial thoughts emerging from society’s dreck take have equal stage and prominence to expertise and wisdom

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  • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    $10 says the dipshit in question did a frantic google, saw ‘ulysses’ and went james joyce.

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    • __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Still not American though

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      • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Getting closer at least

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    • Hupf@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  • WilloftheWest@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Liam’s a tool. The UK absolutely does teach the Odyssey, and has done so at least as far back as my youth.

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    • BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      most of the time someone says something wasnt taught in school its because that person straight up didnt pay attention in class

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      • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I suspect there is significant overlap between the kids who were complaining in math class that what they were learning was useless along with the adults who claim math class didn’t teach them “how to do taxes”. (As if you do anything other than fill out a form, anyways.)

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Wait we were supposed to pay attention in school now it makes sense

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    • DakRalter@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Mine didn’t. We did Buddy, The Crucible, Animal Farm and Shakespeare from what I remember. First I heard of the Odyssey was when I was 19 and DW did a retelling of it on Arthur. When I saw a copy of the story in the shop I worked at, I got it so I could read the actual story.

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      • WilloftheWest@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Were you not aware of it at any point? I don’t necessarily mean as part of the GCSE curriculum. I’ve been aware of the Odyssey and the Iliad from the “Ancient Greeks” part of our primary school curriculum back in year 4. Of course we weren’t analysing texts, but I’d expect any ten year old to be capable of rattling off some major plot points like blinding Polyphemus, or sailors plugging their ears with wax against the sirens and tying Odysseus to the mast.

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  • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You haven’t experienced The Odyssey until you’ve read it in it’s original Klingon.

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I have to admit that I have not read the Illias or the Odyssey in school, either. We were made read books in school intendet to make children shy away from books, so they won’t touch any of them after school ever again.

    Luckily I had read loads of good books by that time, so I knew that only a few are as horrible as the ones they made us read in school.

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    • NIB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      There are basic versions of these stories with big drawings, mostly made for kids. Basically manga. When i was a kid(in Greece), 35 years ago, i had this

      www.stratikis.gr/wp-content/…/iliada-nea.jpg

      This is Iliad and it was cooler than Odyssey. Badass dudes with almost divine powers fighting other dudes, while Gods are taking sides and fucking things up. Basically shonen.

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      • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I first read the classic translation by Schwab when I was ten or eleven.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It does feel a lot like that, doesn’t it? Why else would the Bronte sisters be on the curriculum if not to snuff out any interest in literature?

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      • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It could be worse. We read Brecht and Kafka. Several works of them. I’ve never encountered worse waste of paper and ink than those idiots. And the rest was not much better.

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      • arken@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Only boring kids would find Wuthering Heights & Jane Eyre boring. Both books would be excellent choices in any curriculum. If you wanna talk boring early 19th century authors, Jane Austen is the name you’re looking for.

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    • teije9@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      the illias and the odyssey are ancient greek literature, I don’t think they’re that fun to read.

      But, you still should be taught about their existence in history.

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      • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They were more fun to read than the sh-t the forced down our throats in school. At least Homer knew how to write a story.

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  • qevlarr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The Odyssey was like the Bible before the Bible.

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    • FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Only in that it was widely published but there are others too like the Epic of Gilgamesh.

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      • AccountMaker@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The Illiad was like the ancient Greek Bible because it was used to provide behavioural guidelines and views common to all Greeks. It was a text central to any Greek’s education. How does a leader act? Read the Illiad. How are battles waged? Read the Illiad. What is the relation between humans and gods? Read the Illiad.

        Alexander the Great was known to carry a copy of the Illiad with him at all times, and many philosophers routinely used excerpts from it to illustrate their points. And people would reference it like we reference things from the Bible in the west (Judas, turn water into wine, cross to bear, turn the other cheek etc)

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    • NIB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Iliad was not a religious text(or even a text for many centuries). It was just a story of a dude trying to get back home.

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      • Tin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I know you know this and likely just mistyped, but for clarity, the Iliad is about the war itself. The Odyssey is about the dude trying to get back home.

        They weren’t religious texts per se, but they were certainly cultural touchstones which contain important lessons about the human condition, death, love, and what’s truly important in life. They would fill a role similar to histories in the Old Testament, probably, like the book of Ruth.

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  • R3D4CT3D@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    is this why the miniseries is trending on some torrent sites?? haha!

    en.wikipedia.org/…/The_Odyssey_(1997_miniseries)

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  • FreshLight@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Wait… some people don’t know the Odyssey?

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  • nifty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I am tired of western Cinema jerking off to same old stories, which tbh aren’t the pinnacle of literature or storytelling. There are so many cultural epics which are deserving of the big screen, but unfortunately this western culture bias keeps the general audience from being exposed to any of it.

    It wouldn’t matter, but the issue is then you have utter fucking illiterates and philistines who believe that only western writers, thinkers or philosophers came up with anything good. New flash, dudes, many, many of the western writers took their influence from non-western sources.

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  • WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    What! He never saw Wishbone’s the oddesey?

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  • SparrowHawk@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    "the world doesn’t revolve around your country"country Said the user from UK.

    Silly anglophone countries, the world actually revolves around the chad mediterranean

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  • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I prefer to watch it in its original Japanese.

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  • SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Just play “Age of Mythology”. Duh.

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  • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The American version has more Laser-shark-launching gun-swords though fewer exposed boobs.

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  • niktemadur@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    instead we studied useful things

    Have you ever seen any British television quiz game shows? The amount of world geography and history most contestants seem to know is abismal, makes me scratch my head and seriously wonder what many of these people are doing there, in a game show about knowledge. What are they even doing there, in the delusion that they have a shot.

    “What is the capital of Denmark?”
    “Erm… pass.”

    This person’s comment is just another drop in the bucket in the sorry state of things.

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  • Master@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Its not even that great of a mini van. You can get better for cheaper!

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  • rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    …may we see the tweets?

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  • Vespair@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Meanwhile on tiktok British people are apparently mad at Americans for not knowing or caring about Robbie Williams

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  • yournamehere@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    may nigel farage further dumb down the island people.

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  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Most cultured Brit

    Reminds me of this: www.tiktok.com/@emanrtm/…/7348507560032439585?lan…

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  • L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The Odyssey is an American epic? Wtf, I love America now!

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  • Fontasia@feddit.nl ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How are you supposed to enjoy the music of Civilisation 7 without knowing The Odyssey?

    On a similar note, you’d think the guy on the right would counter with Beowulf

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  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m in Canada.
    I wasn’t taught anything about the Odyssey or Iliad
    But I at least know that there ancient and Greek.

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  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Did “history of the world” not mention Homer?

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