I will keep repeating this, Biden will be the reason Trump gets reelected. If he loves his country he needs to leave right fucking now. Democrats like him and Clinton are addicted to power. Bernie Sanders could have beaten Trump in both election but the democrats circles of power made sure to get the candidate they wanted. Old fool.
To all you outside of the US...
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Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
psycho_driver@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Sanders wouldn’t stand a chance. Too many moderate Democrats would be terrified of the scary socialist madman.
SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
“The scary socialist madman” accompanied by the Democratic Party apparatus? A presidential candidate Sanders along with a moderate liberal VP would have gotten both the traditional Democratic vote (as long as the party collaborated with him, rather than giving him the Corbyn treatment, which I don’t trust liberals not to do) and a considerable chunk of the electorate who doesn’t feel represented by either party. The day you guys understand that you don’t have to fight the Republicans in traditional terms, but rather, to change the coordinates of the fight, you’ll force Republicans to choose between evolving or getting buried. But the real problem by this point is whether it is too late.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Most of this country is centrist, so no unfortunately sanders would have lost to trump.
mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
lol at thinking Americans are mostly centrists…
mberger@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Can you guys just put obama back in? I would unironically say thanks. It would be poetic.
AA5B@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Maybe you’re right but too many of us think the opposite. I would much rather a younger more progressive candidate but Joe Biden has a track record of beating Trump. Biden has done a lot of good things in his first term that I’d want to continue. Even where he hasn’t gone nearly far enough or balanced bad with good, it may be necessary to appeal to the undecideds in the middle. Biden is the only one who can overcome the Trump personality cult
KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
A track record of beating trump?
Something about the statistical validity of a sample size of one.
Pandantic@midwest.social 4 months ago
Montagge@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Bernie ain’t winning shit at a national level
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 months ago
At this point, I’m convinced the Democrats are purposely throwing the election.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
People keep saying Bernie could have won, but he didn’t beat Clinton.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Sanders and Clinton didn’t play on a level field.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
It’s the usual catch - the leader of the losing side doesn’t get the post, but keeps power of his faction.
While if that leader is no longer a leader, their personal power would be less even if the faction wins.
Western Roman Empire had a similar story with Stilicho’s conviction and execution. The empire loses, but those who ate him get some power.
rsuri@lemmy.world 4 months ago
How about we pick someone who vaguely approaches the average age of an American adult. There’s a ton - Buttigieg, AOC, I dunno even Kamala. Literally anybody under the age of 70. Why is that so hard to do?
justaderp@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You keep repeating it because a false dichotomy, that you must choose between a D or R, prevents you from accepting that the lesser evil is, in fact, evil. So, you’re stuck on stupid and not asking questions. This should help:
The Democrats already, quite predictably, ignored the outcome of their primary to nominate Clinton. They’re not going to do a fucking thing that doesn’t make a corporate donor money. All of Sanders proposals took from corporations to provide for humans. He never stood a chance of being nominated as a Democrat and he damned well knew it. If we give him the benefit of the doubt then his goal was education. If not, he rallied for Democrats to avoid the rise of a Labor Party during a critical time in history.
Frokke@lemmings.world 4 months ago
Yeah no. Your choice has global impact. Sadly enough.
Klear@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I mean, I follow the presidental race somewhat because it has global impact, but watching the debates is not worth my time, and I’m fairly certain it’s not worth anyone’s time, especially non-americans.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Plus it’s unlikely to change anyone’s mind. At this point you’re either pro or anti Trump and you’ve had at least eight years to pick your side.
kandoh@reddthat.com 4 months ago
It’s 50% a desire to stay informed and 50% sports entertainment
trolololol@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I came here to skip the debate and catch up with the jokes. But seems like the joke is the debate itself
Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Its … horrible how you treat your elderly in closed wards.
I shall avert my gaze.
Didn’t mean to pry, it was just too loud to not notice it.I’d rather look at our … increasingly hard-right EU politics … wait, that can’t be right, wtf.
quatschkopf43@feddit.org 4 months ago
We used to say that conservative politics in the EU would still be considered left in the USA. Well, I‘m not so sure about that anymore.
Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Biden’s immigration policy is honestly a wet dream for most right extremists in Europe
Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I mean, in previous years we did pass some environmental laws (like banning internal combustion cars), not as much or as strict as I hoped, but change was there. Sure hope that doesn’t all get undone ‘to boost the economy’ (in the USA sense - so help the existing big corps to boost their profits & do nothing for the majority).
Hell, I rally like the vast majority of EU regulations (various directives and delegated acts) that were passed & are being constantly updated (to keep up with the times/trends & tech) over the last 20 years, I think its a rally good balance between protecting the people whilst at the same time working with the market to actually achieve a meaningful & painless change over several years. That’s why we have representatives. The added “bureaucracy” as companies call it is just extra reporting & testing (to confirm compliance with standards). This benefits us all & is of unbelievably marginal cost when you look at the economy, regardless of what lobbyists say.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The US far right actually made a project of helping the far right in Europe.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Unfortunately, when America farts we’re all forced to smell it. America wants Europeans to stay out of American business, buts that’s rather difficult to do when that country demands to be the center of attention.
samus12345@lemmy.world 4 months ago
America wants Europeans to stay out of American business
I don’t. Please save us!
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
we’re our own kind of fucked up over here :( Except the Finns, the Finns are cool.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Last time Europe sent people to “help” America it didn’t end well…
undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 4 months ago
We did but then you lot started ringing bells.
Tbf, were fucked too.
can@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
And all that hot air rises to Canada.
Kaput@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Unfortunatly it seems america just shat it’s pant.
match@pawb.social 4 months ago
I’ve been begging for europeans to export unions and labor rights to America for years, we meed help
Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 4 months ago
Well I suppose the answer I'd give is that because of how right-wing the US is compared to much of the Western world, it becomes a patient zero for whatever the far-right is cooking up - which inevitably influences far-right groups in other Western countries
EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Word Putin planted his seed with Trump in his greatest enemy (democracy/America). It quickly caught on & has spread globally.
TheBat@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Putin planted his seed with Trump
Please don’t post your fanfics here 🤮🤮
tourist@lemmy.world 4 months ago
America sneezes, the world catches a drone strike or something
Tetsuo@jlai.lu 4 months ago
I follow closely what is happening in the US from France because even though we have a very different culture I still think US politics is a preview of what’s to come here.
Right now I consider we are at the step where our media are crumbling and becoming unable to properly inform us. A step that has been reached a couple of years ago in the US in my opinion.
The next step will probably be our own coup attempt in a few years and a steady increase in the division of the country and far right movements.
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I mean Brexit predated the Trump election by 5 months
loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
As a French tho, do watch the debate between Gabriel Attal, Merdella and Manuel Bombard. See how Bompard (the left wing candidate) politely wipes the floor with both shitbags.
Infynis@midwest.social 4 months ago
Is it the official French stance to omit the Oxford comma?
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 months ago
It’s only an Oxford comma if it’s from the region of Oxford. Otherwise it’s just sparkling interpunction.
Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
That’s the topic of the next debate.
stormdelay@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Correct, no comma before the last element if it is preceded by a conjunction (e.g. “et”, that is “and” in English) in French
djsoren19@yiffit.net 4 months ago
I mean, reading that sentence, it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if they omitted it just to spite the British.
Valmond@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yes,
MicrondeMMMMMMM@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
WE 👏STAN👏BOM-👏PARD👏
The thing that’s pissing me off though is that the centrist party decided it would rather demonize the left than the alt right, I suppose they know they already lost and are trying to get as many votes off of those they know might vote for them (some socialists).
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Centerists will always attack the left rather than the right. They are actually right wingers that don’t want the social stigma that goes with admitting that you’re right wing. Once the progressives have been killed off by the right wing, the liberals will take the mask off.
loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Yeah, I think going toe to toe with the far right once again was always Macron’s plan. This is the foe he’s familiar with, against whom he won before. The short deadline for the anticipated election was probably to keep the left from organizing, as to not disturb their duel. But it backfired when the left immediately formed the Front Populaire. Now he’s nervous. The polls give his party third place, so he’s playing for second. He thinks if it’s the centrist against the far right, the “barrage vote” will save him once more.
What’s shocking is the extent to which they go to demean the left, and the amount of media that help spread his baseless accusation. Everyone knows at this point that the center will lose, so they’re choosing who they’ll lose too. They maybe think it’ll erase the left and let Macron’s clan be seen as the alternative to fascism during the next presidential elections…
SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
The vibes I get from the French left in social media remind me of the days when Podemos (in Spain) was soaring. It gives me a bit of hope. Good luck.
MicrondeMMMMMMM@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
As a french person we have bigger fishes to fry lmao 😂 (I might live in a fascist state soon™)
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 months ago
As an American, I feel ya.
CptEnder@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Oof so you think Macron pulled a David Cameron and shot himself in the foot with the snap election and the RN party gonna sweep? Man so sorry our shitty alt right politics are infecting you guys too.
Noodle07@lemmy.world 4 months ago
At least the left is doing something, I just hope it’s enough :x
uis@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Well, France is known for their national holiday: revolution
trolololol@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Time to start a new Republic. 5th is the charm number. I guess.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
yeah but your family seems to make your problems our problems so we wanna know just how fucked we are.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Yeah it’s like listening to your mobster neighbours fighting. It’s their business but anyone can catch a stray.
NegativeInf@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The answer is always “Very.”
JeffreyOrange@lemmy.world 4 months ago
In german media there is so much content about america even I sometimes get confused whoch country I actually live in.
Asafum@feddit.nl 4 months ago
We’re so fucked it’s absolutely insane.
I thought Trump had a chance before, but now… My god Biden embarrassed the shit out of himself… Fuck the goddamn DNC for condemning us by REFUSING to have primaries… Yeah it’s the tradition because usually the incumbent has a chance, but 90472828 year old Biden? Ffs…
Yes Trump is old too but it was plain as day how much more lucid trump is than biden…
MrMobius@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
It’s not that us outsiders like to watch your elections closely. But we need to since they’re gonna have a big impact on the world we live in, whether we like to admit it or not.
weker01@feddit.de 4 months ago
I would love not knowing about any debate but lemmy is like: Nope you’ll read American “news” if you want to or not.
So next time keep your national humiliation fetish at private please
gruvn@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Too late, I watched it all. It would have been funny if it hadn’t been so sad.
EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 4 months ago
How is this fascist right wing shit show not a global debacle? Putin, Netenyahu, Bolsanaro, Trump… Italy & Germany both rolling right. North Korea (of course) and Xinny the Pooh.
Does Britain’s finally dumping the Tories (after a decade & a half+) make them one of the few to break left at this time on the global stage? {Something about broken clocks being right from time to time.}
chagall@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It was just…. ugh. 😞
menemen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This is comparable to a loud family feud carried out on the streets with yelling and throwing stuff at one another and then yelling at the shocked onlookers to move away.
dumbass@leminal.space 4 months ago
Nope, you can’t stand there for generations going “LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!” Then get shitty when we do, we want to watch you drive that burning bus into the the ocean.
rsuri@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The crazy thing is everything up to this point was so much better. They’d show biden waiving at “nobody” and then they’d zoom out and there’s someone standing there. Or he’d say “president of Mexico” when he meant to say “president of Egypt”. But then last night was like nonstop fail. It’s the perfect nightmare scenario because now everyone can say “You shoulda seen it sooner!” but really, we couldn’t.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
As part of the CUSMA trade agreement, I think us Canadians and Mexicans are allotted one sigh of disappointment…
Como parte del acuerdo comercial T-MEC, creo que a los canadienses y los mexicanos se nos permite un solo suspiro de decepción…
ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world 4 months ago
FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 4 months ago
No chance, I usually don’t care about American politics but I’m not gonna miss the chance to watch 2 geriatric fucks attempt to debate one another.
It was so much worse than I envisioned it to be though. Like one guy seemed to make up literally everything with insane claims that were delivered with confidence only rivaled by how stupid they were and the other sounded like his brain turned to soup if he spoke for more than 5 seconds and when not speaking he looked like a frog seeing a very tasty fly on the wall.
I really hope Europe can get our collective shit together and supply Ukraine once the US shits the bed there.
evranch@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
America needs some perspective. You complain that your only choices are a doddering fool or a toxic narcissist who wants to actively destroy the nation.
Here in Canada we look at our options and think “America is so much better, I wish we had an option to vote for a doddering fool. All we have are narcissists”
No joke I wish we had a leader as good as Biden. The bar is so low that the devil is doing the limbo with it down in Hell.
Annually2747@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Your family is in our neighbourhood and in this domestic dispute I’m just wondering if I need to call the police or the abundance.
NMeneses@lemmings.world 4 months ago
As a foreigner I sinned for I disobeyed the advices and watched it…
I couldn’t believe it was so bad… once I saw it I couldn’t believe I was watching that.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 months ago
But think of all the popcorn we are able to consume watching you shitshow. This is way more entertaining than the usual movies, series, and shows that you produce!
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’d rather drink bleach than watch this shitshow.
boatsnhos931@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Hey Everyone! That was just a funny joke, haha parody…you know how we do! Real debate next month haha
JATtho@lemmy.world 4 months ago
A dum question: if both candidates are unable to function, then what happens? (Trump for his crimes, Biden for getting dementia…)
Meanwhile in Finland: the Finnish version of “build the wall”:
Parliament’s Administrative Committee will not resume its discussion of the Refoulement Act until after the weekend. The committee is still so far behind schedule that it could not complete its work today. The debate on the bill continued during the committee meeting, which started at 5 p.m. but ended quickly. Peltokangas says there was no drama at the meeting. https://yle.fi/uutiset/lyhyesti/74-20097017
The bill needs 5/6 parliamentary approval and politicians are already sweating over it because it touches too many international treaties + constitution. Debate is mostly: is it ready yet? is it ready yet? is it ready yet? (While the committees checking the bill are getting more uneasy by the bill’s content…)
oeverbloem@feddit.nl 4 months ago
I’ll just leave this here… :’-) Image
youngalfred@lemm.ee 4 months ago
And there’s quite a few missing!
ricdeh@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The one on Greenland, for example
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 4 months ago
Even the Pentagon doesn’t know where they are!
hernanca@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Add to this one another map of past CIA-backed coups and despair.
LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Honestly that’s something I never learned about until I was like, 23, 24. Still know bugger all about it and that’s fucked. Do you know any good resources where I can learn about this stuff?
match@pawb.social 4 months ago
Well if you care so much how come you’re not doing anything about it?? We all know what happens when America cares about someone else’s elections…