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  • UnspecificGravity@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Russian capsules have returned to land since their very first launches.

    The decision has more to do with geopolitics than physics. Russia does not have a robust Navy with access to equatorial waters on which to land a spacecraft, the US does. Given the historical accuracy of landing a capsule it is actually a hell of a lot easier to drive a big ship to the eventual location than it is to drive a big truck into the middle of a desert. The reason western nations return capsules to the sea is because its easier to recover them there.

    Both approaches have technical challenges. Returning to land requires a slower landing speed (although as a percentage of the starting velocity of a spacecraft its a pretty insignificant difference) and landing on the sea requires the carrying of flotation devices and designing a capsule with buoyancy in mind.

    In other words this post is completely inaccurate.

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    • ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      For a while (maybe still) Russian rockets even had a shotgun on board after wolves got to a landing first.

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      • mkwt@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It was a three-barreled gun that fired shotgun shells, rifle rounds, and rescue flares. 10 rounds of each type of ammunition were supplied. The stock could be detached and used as a machete.

        For a while, these guns were on every Soyuz capsule that docked with ISS, and they were under the operational control of the Soyuz commander. I’ve read that they may have been retired in 2007 because Russia finally ran out of the very unique ammo.

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      • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Did the cosmonauts fend off the wolves, or did they just stick the wolves in their suits and pretend that they were on the mission the whole time?

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    • mkwt@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The Russian system has a braking rocket that fires at the very last second to soften up the landing. On one early Soyuz mission, this rocket didn’t fire, and the solo cosmonaut suffered substantial injuries from the landing.

      The Orion capsule hits the water at the final parachute speed of 20-30 mph without injuring the crew. But as you state, they also have to design the capsule for flotation and egress in potentially rough sea state.

      Boeing Starliner is designed for a land landing, but it uses deployable air bags instead of a braking rocket. It’s not clear that Starliner will ever fly again after the RCS thruster problems.

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      • Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s such a weird flip of philosophy given we’ve all heard the classic story of the US spending millions on developing pens that write in space while the Soviet Union just issues pencils.

        Choosing a retroburst system over trusty parachutes is wack.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m upset that you didn’t mention Cosmonauts are equiped with an on board shotgun to fend off bears.

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      • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Moon bears?

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      • Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Low key, we gotta pack some shotties in ours. Space race to the death!

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    • Ariselas@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I listened to Chris Hadfield describe coming home in a Soyuz capsul and it rolling a few times after hitting the ground. Land works but water sounds more comfortable, as long as you don’t get sea sick on top of it all.

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      • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Water isn’t like in the video games. It’s still a hard landing that you wouldn’t survive if you were going too fast. There’s just much more margin for error trying to hit the ocean vs. a plot of land.

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      • anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        When they were covering the Artemis landing, they mentioned that just returning to earth from weightlessness makes them pretty nauseous, so they get motion sickness meds before landing anyway. Ibuprofen or anti inflammatory meds too, since 1 G is hard on joints after a few days without it.

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    • mimavox@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Imagine surviving a whole ass moon flight just to perish at sea because no one comes to get you..

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      • notoftenthat@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        They had only imagined the moon flight…

        On July 21, 1961, Virgil I. “Gus” Grissom flew the second NASA Mercury-Redstone mission. But that trip, nearly identical to Shepard’s almost ended in disaster. Grissom’s capsule, Liberty Bell 7, sank after the successful splashdown in the Atlantic, and Grissom came close to drowning.

        The space race has a lot of “learning by doing” with some pretty icky lessons learned along the way.

        Ref

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    • bluesheep@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Both approaches have technical challenges. Returning to land requires a slower landing speed (although as a percentage of the starting velocity of a spacecraft its a pretty insignificant difference) and landing on the sea requires the carrying of flotation devices and designing a capsule with buoyancy in mind.

      Does landing on the sea really require that much more braking when compared to land? Sure water has some give but I’ve always understood that, from a large enough hight, due to surface tension landing on water is the same as landing on concrete. But I ain’t no physicist and by no means of the imagination a rocket scientist so I might as well be very wrong here lmao

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      • turmacar@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        One of the advantages of water is even if your target area is measured in square miles it’s all roughly at sea level. If you miss your target area on land you have to account for that and trees and wildlife and hopefully not buildings.

        Like the above said, you can do either, it’s kind of a wash. But a water based landing does simplify some things.

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    • tarsisurdi@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      another thing that’s also not considered here is the fact that astronauts parachute out of the capsule before impact

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      • paranoid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        … What?

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      • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        False. They teleport.

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      • teslekova@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        No no no. They dive, so as to hit the water with the least surface area.

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      • tortina_original@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Nonsense.

        They have ejection seats.

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    • brownsugga@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      yes the post may be inaccurate but i doubt the dumbass they were responding to could have even read HALF of your comment

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  • MithranArkanere@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why do people always do cannonballs into pools, lakes, and oceans, and never from windows and overpasses into the concrete?

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    • FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean, people do that occasionally, but for completely different reasons.

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  • Nomorereddit@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Uhuh, tell that to the cosmanauts.

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  • smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Water big. Easy hit.

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    • waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The nasa broadcaster called it a perfect bullseye landing about 5 times. A perfect bullseye, hit em right in the Pacific ocean.

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      • mkwt@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        They later said it was less than 1 mile away from the target spot.

        A big benefit of the ocean is if the capsule loses all attitude control, it can still reenter and survive. But it will be a “ballistic reentry”, much more punishing with the g forces, and also about 1500 miles short of the target zone.

        The Pacific Ocean makes it easy to ensure that those backup contingency landing sites are also safe landing sites.

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      • felsiq@piefed.zip ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I mean they generally do aim for a specific spot so the ships can be nearby to pick it up, so even aiming for the ocean a perfect bullseye is a valid thing to say lol

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    • jared@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Bullseye

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    • a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Bonus: You pee into the water and the fish have to just be there. Because fuck fish.

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  • PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Just show this dumbass how landings happen for Russians on land. There’s a reason why no one does it multiple times.

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  • SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Flat earth-ism started as very elaborate satirical performance art. Now thanks to 50 years of Republicans cheapening public education, a plurality of Americans actually believe this shit and want it taught in the schools.

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    • zikzak025@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I have had the displeasure of knowing several people like this. In the post-truth landscape we find ourselves, there are really people out there who will call your denial of their alternative facts “unscientific” because they think that science is just about questioning everything, and they know their perspective is the right one.

      Therefore, when their high school science teacher (who obviously hated them in particular for their good Christian beliefs) insists on ideas like the Earth being round, or the existence of climate change or—heavens forbid—evolution, she’s obviously just trying to brainwash her students to believe her liberal agenda.

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  • Octagon9561@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    To be fair the Soviet cosmonauts did land in the Kazakh steppe. I mean sure the landings were probably hard but they didn’t die.

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    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Well, the Russians had a sea, but they emptied it. So land it is.

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    • horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This was because they had rockets that fired precipitously close to the ground which cushioned the landing to something like 20 mph IIRC. If those rockets failed for any reason there would be a very big splat.

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      • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        In Russia, people have always been expendable.

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    • eyes@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They did have to give them a special gun so they weren’t killed by bears though.

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        space bears?

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  • 1dalm@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Several capsules are designed to effectively and safely land on land.

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    • quips@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Including the soyuz which to this day routinely lands on land

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      • Spezi@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        But the landing needs active thrusters to soften the blow. This introduces more complexity and also adds more danger as there needs to be extra fuel on board.

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      • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And the space shuttle which did it for decades

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  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Water is as hard as concrete from a large height.

    They splash down in water because there is less chance of hitting something.

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    • ptu@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Due to its low density and viscosity, water cushions the spacecraft enough that there is no need for a braking rocket to slow the final descent

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashdown

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    • michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You are talking about surface tension. The importance parameter is speed not height and “like concrete” is a drastic simplification as both behave very differently on impact.

      Notably whereas high divers have reached speeds of 60 mph the Artemis II splashed down at around 1/4 that speed a speed you too can obtain by jumping from about 10 feet up.

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  • LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    What the fuck is the first person insinuating? What would always landing in the water “prove”??

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    • Diddlydee@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I think she’s saying ‘pay attention’ because she is used to people drifting off mid-sentence

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      • generallynonsensical@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Baahahaha…thank you. I needed that today.

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    • Carmakazi@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You can’t easily go out to see a splashdown in the middle of the ocean, therefore space travel is fake.

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      • bountygiver@lemmy.ml ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Except for all the private boats parked right outside of the restricted area watching with binoculars.

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    • aski3252@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They say Arthemis landed on EARTH, but it actually landed on WATER (no earth far and wide). If they lie about something so obvious, what else are they lying about??

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    • Signtist@bookwyr.me ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      She probably assumes the landing location is entirely random, which is ridiculous to anyone who has even the slightest understanding of the amount of planning needed for space travel, but those people and the people who believe space travel is fake are not the same people.

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  • HeroicBillyBishop@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    …ok, but what is the post getting at?

    Like what conspiracy is this supporting?

    That they are more easily faked on water?

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    • hansolo@lemmy.today ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes, because the area gets a no-fly zone and navy ships go to get the capsule, it makes it “easy” to fake because the government controls the situation. Yes, this ignores a lot of other independently verifiable data, because that doesn’t confirm biases. Yes, it ignores all the Soyuz landings over land. Yes, it ignores the facts that the Soviets and Russians do and did the same thing, as if a highly-planned re-entry might just happen in anyone’s rye field. Yes, it’s stupid. Yes, it’s on purpose.

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      • GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        gagarin just parachuted out of a plane and told that farmer he went to space

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      • SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Why would that be any different over land? Wouldn’t they land in government-controlled land? The conspiracy isn’t unique to water… or am I missing something?

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  • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I though “woke” was the term that implied people being asleep, or are they use them interchangeably now?

    1000057808

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    • wieson@feddit.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Woke means you’re awake to the injustices in society

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      • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yup. Being woke means you care about others around you. Which the right undeniably hates.

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    • Grass@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      wasn’t woke used as a slang for denoting good things in the past?

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      • ugjka@lemmy.ugjka.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It started in afro communities and “woke” meant they were socially conscious and aware of racial injustice and systemic oppression

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  • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Water = inside blood Land = outside blood

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  • angband@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So does a low iq mean if you notice something, anything, you think it is clever, like a little child?

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  • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They never land back on land? Really? Tell that to Russia, they always land the Soyuz back on land.

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I spent so much time playing Kerbal Space Program in the early days that my asshole still puckers when I see a return vehicle heading toward the water

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  • theblurstoftimes@leminal.space ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Just launch these fuckers into space. I’m fine with not shooting trash at the sun because it’s too expensive but we should let make an exception for people like this. If they’re so smart I’m sure they’ll figure out a way back.

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    • Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Seems a bit harsh, and I agree!

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  • TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    What… are they even trying to imply?

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    • ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The ocean is flat

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    • Mirshe@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This mission especially brought the “space travel is fake” crowd out. The rocket launch explodes over a deserted area, nobody’s onboard, all the missions are faked, and the splashdowns are in restricted waters to sell the simulation.

      Usually this is on top of “well you can’t survive the Van Allen radiation belts”, as if radiation safety and shielding is not a problem we understood and solved before we even lit off Mercury.

      Ultimate reasoning for it is either a vague notion of “control”, bread and circuses, or “they do this to defy God”, because space isn’t real and the Firmament lies above the sky.

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  • OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why does EVERY rocket have thrusters… PAY ATTENTION…

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  • expatriado@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    she’s got a good point, should we called waterers not landers

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  • David_Eight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Except for every time they used the Space Shuttle lol

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    • ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Space shuttle says hold my beer I got this

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  • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The shuttles landed on runways…

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  • melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I like how conspiracy theories are now slightly sarcastic, signifying the underlying bullshit underneath.

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  • Gork@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    boing boing

    I would add a spring emoji but the UNICODE Consortium has not deemed it important enough to include one in the character set.

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    • crank0271@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Make it happen

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  • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What I found funny is them getting plucked out by helicopter, why didn’t they drive a boat out there?

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  • melfie@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    But SLS uses Space Shuttle engines and that landed in a runway.

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  • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    This doesn’t add up.

    If I jump off a sufficiently high bridge into water I get crushed? What’s the velocity of the capsule?

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  • heartpunk25@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Actually, they need to check in with the wizard mermaids in Atlantis that made the whole thing possible.

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  • Egonallanon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Odd thing is there are landers that have come down in land, Soyuz in particular comes to mind and there might even be some US have some examples in the past also.

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  • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Can confirm, I get way more booms on land than in water in Kerbal Space Program

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