I can barely afford rent!
Well… the good news is you can stretch your income a bit further with spaghettification!
well?
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Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
fartographer@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Okay, so now you can barely afford your rent inside a black hole. Enjoy the enhanced granularity of your desperation!
dohpaz42@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
That would explain why it feels like my bank account is being sucked dry.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Fortunately the universe can get Cosmic Overdraft Protection, for only a small annual fee and 11 squillion bazillion stomptillion dollars per occurrence.
Asafum@feddit.nl 8 hours ago
And since you’re in a black hole with your unaffordable rent, you can’t escape it!!!
Geodad@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
What if we’re not in a black hole, but in the aftermath of a vacuum decay event?
peregrin5@piefed.social 9 hours ago
paying rent sometimes feels like throwing money into a black hole
TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 1 hour ago
It’s actually throwing money into BlackRock.
dohpaz42@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
The same for mortgages too really. All these people out there toting new construction and how it’s good for property values seem to forget that higher property values means 1) higher property taxes, and 2) higher priority values, for when you sell your home and need to buy a new one.
Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Not to mention mortgage rates are so damn high that your mortgage payment is basically like paying rent to the bank because you’re barely touching the principal on the loan
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Therefore your landlord’s bank account is a black hole. Therefore black holes are inside banks. Therefore the universe is inside a bank.
peregrin5@piefed.social 6 hours ago
cosmic horror
underisk@hexbear.net 8 hours ago
Only sometimes?
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
NOT “discovered inside black hole”, just gained further theoretical evidence for the Earth being in a less dense area of the universe. There has been actual evidence of such for some time (at least a decade), but there is uncertainty at such large scales so it cannot be called conclusive based only on a couple types of observation that may have erroneous procedures.
rozodru@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
so basically We’re out in butt fuck no where in space and the aliens aren’t coming any time soon cause they essentially live in New York City and we’re in a town in Iowa that no one has ever heard of.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the galaxy.
Zron@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
It’s entirely possible that there are no aliens in the “New York City” part of the universe.
Dense regions of space will have much more interactions between stellar systems and may not be stable enough for life to evolve. It could be why we haven’t seen anyone else, they’re all in their own little pockets of peace.
III@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Being from Iowa, I take offense to that… But yes, you are correct.
niktemadur@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
But then there’s the guy who added all the mass and energy of the observable universe, calculated its’ Schwarzschild Radius, and came up with 13.8 billion light years.
There’s also how our observable universe’s Hubble Horizon acts like a black hole event horizon, the way in which even the speed of light is insufficient to escape beyond.
A lot of the math inside a black hole is eerily similar to the math of our own horizon, as traced by the age of the universe plus the speed of light.
deltapi@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Nah, there’s been a bunch of discussion about our entire universe being inside a black hole.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
There being a “bunch of discussion” doesn’t prove anything?
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
We should all be celebrating our good fortune, protection against a dark forest strike!
Etterra@discuss.online 3 hours ago
Dark Forest theory is just way for a Chinese author to make up bullshit nonsense physics to turn 3D space into 2D space via Clarktech while desperately trying to not piss off the CCCP.
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Dude. Relax. It was fiction.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Except from aliens that are also stuck here with us
Shard@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
We’re not stuck in here with them. Their stuck in here with us!
scytale@piefed.zip 9 hours ago
Ok I've been meaning to ask this in the Space community or the NoStupidQuestions community. I've seen this news circling around the past 2 weeks and have been watching videos of people talking about it.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the gist is that astronomers discovered with the JWST that some galaxies at the end of the observable universe appear to be younger than they are supposed to be. So it kinda blows a hole in the big bang expansion where objects farther away should be older. And that somehow ties in with the theory that our universe is inside a blackhole.
It's fascinating but I don't know what to do with that information other than just be fascinated. I think it was Neil deGrasse Tyson who said "what does it matter to us? nothing", because us being in a blackhole doesn't change anything in the scale of our universe.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
We also have to remember that we can only see a bounded sphere of the universe from our frame of reference.
If we were to move our observation points to elsewhere in the universe, we’ll be able to see more of the universe and challenge our current theories.
The JSWT sees only what it can, and our theories about the universe can only extend as far as that evidence. Those galaxies might appear to be younger, but the science is never finished!
Probably goes without saying
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
From what I’ve seen, it’s not that they’re “young” galaxies, but that they shouldn’t have had enough time to develop if the universe were truly so crazily homogenous from the big bang. It doesn’t necessarily disprove the big bang, just means the universe might not be as “smooth” as previous assumptions.
jared@mander.xyz 7 hours ago
I’ve always liked this theory, imagining the cosmos is just a series/web/tree of black holes draining into the next. Everything gets recycled eventually.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 hours ago
actually, we are inside the dream of someone else, and that one too is again in a dream …
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
It doesn’t answer where it all came from. Whatever theory or religion you choose, there’s no answer to this question apart from it suddenly appeared which implies something can be created out of nothing and that creates a whole lot of new questions and possibilities.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
It meshes well with my occasional feeling that reality is just circling the drain.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Another big part of it is that if the big bang happened evenly then galaxies and other objects should be spinning in random directions. So far that's not what's been observed. There seems to be a preferred direction everything spins in.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 hours ago
There seems to be a preferred direction everything spins in.
I’m sorry but i think that’s just not true?
Inside the solar system, yes, planets more or less spin around the same axis than the whole solar system does.
But the axis of the solar system and of the whole milky way are like 63° towards each other. Source So, not the same direction at all.
radioactivefunguy@piefed.ca 5 hours ago
The direction the black hole "toilet" flushes as it sucks stuff in and smashes it against each other?
Maybe there's a parallel universe called Astraliastra where the black hole flushes the other direction!
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Maybe the far away galaxies are just the close galaxies seen from the other side?
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Nah, that would require spacetime to curve a lot more than it does. It’d also have to curve in the other direction (local spacetime is hyperbolic, “local” as in basically all of the observable universe). Calculations show the universe must be several times larger than the observable universe in order to match even Hubble observations, let alone JWST observations.
RuthBaderGonesburg@hexbear.net 7 hours ago
The Hubble radius of the universe is also equal to its Schwarzschild radius, which is a requirement for any “we’re inside a black hole” theory.
woodenghost@hexbear.net 4 hours ago
That’s not an empirical observation nor a new discovery though. It just an analogy that leans on the definition of Schwarzschild Radius. No one is seriously implying, that we’re somehow trapped in a black hole.
In fact, the analogy only holds, if the Hubble parameter is constant and this new result, if it holds up, would still indicate, that it is not constant. As was expected by the standard model of cosmology. If the Hubble constant is decreasing, and consensus is that it does, than the Hubble radius is also different from an event horizon in the following way: light reaching us from more than 5 billion years ago comes from regions that have always been receding from us at speeds faster than light.
fluxion@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Tax breaks for the rich is the only solution
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
Wouldn’t it even be more helpful to just relieve the ultrarich from taxes? So they could better pay their rent too. I’d throw in one or two moneyz to help.
logicbomb@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I suddenly feel something trickling down from above. Is this what they were talking about all these years? Is this a good thing? It smells bad, like really bad. Like somebody is cooking meth while they have a near fatal case of diarrhea. What am I supposed to do?
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
Get hooked on meth, it’ll wildly change your priorities.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Anyone got a link to either nasa or a good article explaining it?
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Both are fair and valid.
Peaceful science & good housing should go hand in hand.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 7 hours ago
Considering NASA could be canceled by an ass hole, I think we have other problems.
sirico@feddit.uk 8 hours ago
You better start believing in compression systems you’re in one
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Yes, we ignore it. Given the size of the universe, if being inside a black implies any conseqences that will ever hurt us, it will be a process that takes billions of years to develop, giving the human race billions of years to either become extinct or solve the problem.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
There is no problem introduced by noticing that there exists a horizon to the universe. It’s also in no way what so ever a new “discovery”, but a basic concept based on how horizons work in the first place.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Don’t get me wrong, understanding the nature of the universe is valuable and noteworthy. But how would that information meaningfully impact anyone’s life or change their behavior or worldview beyond a general awe at the unfathomable mysteries we already have towards space as we’ve understood it for centuries? Am I meant to stare up at the sky from 8:15 to 8:30 every other night with my mouth agap while I try to wrap my mind around the spacetime bubble we all exist on the surface of? Or can I just eat dinner?
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
The reason research like this exists is because we don’t know what we don’t know. Results like these are meant to stoke curiousity so that more research can be done.
So on and so forth until one day you have horseshoe crabs saving millions of lives. But they didn’t know that would be the case when they started researching them crabs, function comes after exploration.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
For sure, not undervaluing scientific research and exploration by any means. But the post seemed to be a call to action or an expectation of a greater reaction to potential findings from the general public. But A) it’s honestly the first I’ve heard about any such news. And B) I don’t think the vast majority of people would have any idea how to even process that information, let alone get excited about it or understand it’s full implications, or to have any sort of reaction to it at all.
Blemish5236@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I mean on top of answering fundamental questions about the nature if reality, proving that the universe is a black hole would necessarily invalidate almost every religion. That fact alone would upend society, and probably in a bad way.
Also, if the universe is a black hole that means the universe is capable of reproduction. If the universe reproduces, there is likely no limit to the number of times it can do so. If an infinite number of universes spawn an infinite number of children, it basically establishes reincarnation as a fact of life.
And that’s ignoring all the philosophical implications such a discovery would immediately raise.
Maybe it wouldn’t change anything. Maybe it would change everything.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
No way, at all, what so ever.
Most religious people will readily admit it’s based on faith, not fact. Furthermore, it’d likely make them believe it more. God has always been described as beyond the universe, bigger than, all encompassing, etc. If the holographic principle proves true, it’d actually provide a mathematical path for such statements to be literally true.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 6 hours ago
Why would the universe being a black hole invalidate religion, any more than, for example, the universe being really big already does? Don’t most religions focus more on some entity or entities they think made or govern the universe more than what physical processes are “used” to do that, or what the ultimate shape of the universe is? Even when a contradiction is found, it’s easy enough for a religion to just say “well, that was metaphorical”, or “just the limited understanding given by (insert deity here) to our ancestors” or something along those lines to make it fit.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 hours ago
Am I meant to stare up at the sky from 8:15 to 8:30 every other night with my mouth agap while I try to wrap my mind around the spacetime bubble we all exist on the surface of?
At scale that sounds better for society than going to church. We need a little more memento mori (memento minima?) in modern life.
shneancy@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
hasn’t this been a theory for a while now? The event horizon of a black hole keeps information minus one dimension. and the theory goes that our entire universe is just at the edge or a black hole in a 4D universe
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Yes. It’s basically how the holographic principle got started, and that was decades ago.
crazycraw@crazypeople.online 9 hours ago
we could acknowledge it as a possibility AND work to better our um… local frame of reference.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 9 hours ago
I mean, I think it's fair to ignore it 99% of the time. Frankly, as much as I love space science and science in general, we all should have a responsibility to solve real problems here and now. That's been my issue with a lot of science, currently - we need problem solvers rather than idle explorers.
darthelmet@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
The problem is that most of our problems aren’t really science problems. Or at least the thing holding them up isn’t the lack of practical applied scientists. They’re political ones. We’ve known what we needed to do about climate change for decades but their are capitalists who stand to lose from doing anything about it, so we don’t. We have plenty of housing, it’s just being hoarded by people who do nothing with it but extract free money from people who are desperate to have a place to live. We have amazing medicine, but corporations are able to abuse IP laws to price gouge people who need it to live.
A scientist or engineer could come up with some amazing sci-fi tech that has the potential to save us and capitalists would find some way to make it bleed us dry.
Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 7 hours ago
I thought black holes aren’t actually holes at all, they’re literally gigantic physical objects because they’re dead suns with shockingly high gravity that prevents light from escaping; how could our universe be inside something like that?
procrastitron@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I took a physics course at a community college over 20 years ago and one of the things that stood out to me was the professor telling us not to overthink or assign too much romanticism to the idea of black holes.
His message was basically “it just means the escape velocity is greater than the speed of light… if you plug the size and mass of the universe into the escape velocity formula, the result you get back is greater than the speed of light, so our entire universe is a black hole.”
If this was being discussed at a community college decades ago then I think the new discoveries aren’t as revelatory as they would at first appear to the general public.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 hours ago
Nah really it was probably some small thing the media got a hold of and just ran with. I think you’re spot on
Klear@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Relevant xkcd
And a relevant smbc for good measure.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
On the contrary; while I have heard the explanation that the commenter you replied to has said I have also heard a slightly different theory:
Our universe is the 3 dimensional event horizon of a 4th dimensional black hole. By extension we may find that black holes in our universe have similar funky 2 dimensional areas at their even horizons.
I am sure clickbait articles are part of it but there also seems to be several actual theories surrounding the idea of the nature of our universe relating to black holes.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 hours ago
another thing I learned at some point: Just because a physics formula returns a result, doesn’t mean that it’s reality
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
TBF black holes themselves were originally just the result of a Physics formula, but they eventually turned out to be a “reality”. Sometimes that shit happens, yo.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Theory is one thing.
Observation is the next step.
procrastitron@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Absolutely. I don’t want to minimize the importance of the new discoveries in any way; I’m just saying this isn’t the great surprise the original post seems to think it is.
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Interestingly, galaxies at the edge of our ability to perceive are in fact receding away from us at velocities greater than the speed of light.
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Maybe it’s because they are outside the black hole and aren’t time dilated.