Have you tried persecuting all the scientists yet??
We are so cooked
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shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
vk6flab@lemmy.radio 5 weeks ago
They just got fired, together with anyone who might begin to fix this.
Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
And the US government banned words related to climate change from any future studies. If your grant proposal includes those keywords, it’ll get denied automatically without a human even looking at it.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
We’re pretty sure it’s the Monsanto pesticide and anyone who suggests it is hit with a litigation threat. Curiously, as we’re speed-breeding domesticated bees the wild bees are dying out faster, so as the bee population dwindles it also becomes more domesticated and less wild. I know that’s a bad thing, but I am fuzzy on the why details.
I’m a brown thumb, and plants wilt as my shadow falls on them, but if you’re a green-thumb, plant pollinators, which will help the bees.
Also plant milkweed for the monarchs.
mlg@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Some beekeepers actually mentioned that they’ve been scraping the beeswax clean off their hives more frequently because its known that the beeswax collects pesticides and herbicides over time which affects the colony due to exposure.
The problem is its not just monsanto acid, there’s a ton of other issues also correlated like weather/climate, seasonal flowering, untreated parasites, bacteria, etc.
We’ve literally nuked the environment so hard that even if we fix one problem, the population will not make a full bounce back (although I would think monsanto is the biggest threat)
Biggest scam of this century was corporate produce monoliths convincing people Organic was about health and not the fact that it doesn’t use a scorched earth policy and scam one off hybrid plant seeds to grow food which has been setting us up for a widespread fammine for decades.
Some random superweed is gonna crossbreed with some rapid out of control growth plant and wipe out half of the food chain.
MintyAnt@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Plant native. Plants that are native to your ecosystem. Those are the true pollinator powerhouse plants that bees need to survive
JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
I forget the term for non native, non invasive plants (naturalized?) but those are good too. Native is best, of course. I see a ton of carpenter bees (native bees to my area) on my red clover (non native, non invasive).
spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Also, the domesticated bees are generally honeybees. And unfortunately, honeybee and wild bees don’t fulfill the same rile, so even if we replaced wild bees with honeybees 1:1, we still wouldn’t be able to polinate everything.
MintyAnt@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Honeybees cant buzz pollinate for shit, lazy ass bee
Kalysta@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
It’s Bayer’s now. Monsanto sold it to Bayer when they started getting heat for neonicotinoids killing all the bees.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’ll hop in here and add that your locality probably does pesticide fogging/spraying. For what it is worth, you can ask them not you spray your property. Make some local wildflower patches in your yard. Less stuff you have to mow, more food and habitat for native birds and insects. It’s a win-win.
MintyAnt@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Native plant patches can also absorb some of the harmful crap like pesticides to a degree. It does help.
saltnotsugar@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I know it’s likely pesticides, but have we officially ruled out bee assassins?
ceenote@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
You mean wasps? They have been pretty quiet lately…
brrt@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Ah cmon now, stop spreading conspiracy theories. They probably just couldn’t prove citizenship and were deported.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
All those darn African killer bees! Stealing all the jobs!
match@pawb.social 5 weeks ago
i personally just think the bees are sentient and have depression
Trimatrix@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Isn’t pesticides just bee assassination on a mass scale? Thus, I argue, we cannot not yet rule that out.
garbagebagel@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Idk, I heard that trans people and immigrants are murdering bees.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
it’s the European honey bee that’s dying in unprecedented numbers
but it’s not all bees
European honey bees are the easy button for farmers but they are going to have to decide if pesticide is more important or not
this nobody knows what’s happening is bullshit provided by the likes of the Monsanto and other chemical companies
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
They (save for a smarter minority) are 100% gonna decide that pesticides are more important. Until they learn they aren’t, but it will be too late.
Rob1992@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The company that makes roundup and the GMO plants that can resist it will decide for them
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Say what you will about RFK, but he’s broken clock right on a couple of issues, pesticides being one of them. Sure, maybe his rationale isn’t right, but his end game may be a benefit. Unfortunately it’s at odds with Trump’s complete destruction of regulation, but he (RFK) seems to be chugging along. I think making America healthy is good; I don’t think pesticides or ultra processed foods make kids transgender.
Redex68@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’m not too up to date with this story, but haven’t pesticides been used for forever now? Why would the suddenly cause a 80% drop in population?
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
I think bee populations are under threat from pesticides, habitat reduction, disease, climate change, nutrition, et cetera.
Of that list, pesticides are probably the easiest to solve.
0tan0d@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s not the same pesticides year over year. My bet is some MBA pushed a tweaked the formula for short term gains.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
neonicotinoids were invited in the 1980s and it’s been recently understood that it’s like a forever chemical. it will get into the dirt and go through the plants and pass on through pollen
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Different pesticides?
Flemmy@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Finedust from traffic, mircoplastics, insecticides, GMO infertile weeds… etc. Bayer ass well.
Colloidal@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
Haven’t you heard? Bayer and Monsanto are one. And Dow and Dupont have fused too. Together, Bayer-Monsanto and Dow-Dupont control over 60% of all grain seed production in the world. All your wheat, corn, rice… it’s all in the hands of these 2 companies.
BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I was worried so I looked for the source of the information, it seems to be from 'Washington State University" from their website they say it concerns “Commercial honey bee colony”, so it might not be all bees (I don’t know enough to say what the difference is exactly), they say “60 to 70% losses” (not 80), and they also say “Over the past decade, annual losses have typically ranged between 40 and 50%.”, so it is probably worrying but not as much as the CBS article was making it seem.
xta@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
so worry but not panicking yet. gotcha, nothing will be done then.
chaogomu@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Part of the panicking should be wild bees. They’re dying at accelerated rates.
We also know why, commercial bee keeping is part of it, as is hobbies bee keeping.
And pesticides… and monoculture farming.
BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I don’t know whether you were satiric or not, but it feels like it, hard to tell on a text medium. No hard feelings either way 😄
If you were “mocking my post in a satiric way”: I didn’t mean to say that nothing should be done or that it was not a reason to worry. I actually believe we should protect our ecosystems, but I think we need accurate data and this kind of posts, even if they convey the “right” message according to me, are misleading and create false information about what is going on. I truly believe we should try to avoid doing this.
nothingcorporate@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is a really good article with some charts that make clear global bee populations are not nosediving. earth.org/…/bees-are-not-declining-everywhere-a-g…
So there’s just 6,328 other crises to worry about…
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This story is about domesticated honeybees, which have been declining for decades due to Colony Collapse Disorder and other stressors. Native North American bees are in their own long-term decline, with 1 in 4 species at risk of extinction. However, domesticated honeybees are tremendously important for the pollination and yield of many crops important to humans, and this population drop, thought to be the largest annual losses seen, should be considered in the context of the longer decline, and the possibility that we could hit a tipping point when pollination, and a crucial pillar of our food system, could fail.
rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio 5 weeks ago
I definitely don’t want to downplay a crisis, but I feel like I’ve been seeing headlines saying “all the bees are dying and we don’t know why” every year for nearly 20 years now.
I’m no bee expert. Just seems to me, based on the headlines, bees would’ve been extinct 10 years ago.
Some cursory searching led me to Colony Collapse Disorder which, apparently, has no agreed-upon cause. Apparently devastating losses to honey bee colonies started being reported around 1900. But it also mentions:
In 2024, the United States Census of Agriculture reported an all-time high in commercial honey bee hives (mostly in Texas), making them the fastest-growing livestock segment in the country.[38]
Link to the source cited there: https://archive.is/nfeb2
Apparently last year saw the largest honey bee populations in US history. Though apparently that huge boom in honey bee population is a threat to other native pollinators, so I guess that presents its own unique problems.
Jesus_666@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Usually, when people talk about bees dying, they mean wild bees. Unlike honey bees they aren’t cultivated by us. They also tend to be better pollinators than honey bees, adapted to local plants that honey bees can’t handle well.
safesyrup@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
The issue is OP is spreading misinformation. You‘re right, we haven‘t lost 80% of the bee population, because this was a hypothetical statement in the article saying it would have consequences if it happened.
raod_guitar@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
The person in the article says you can’t keep up the industry if 80% of the bees die every year.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That’s $15 billion worth of crops.
They just can’t break out of that frame, even when the topic is EVERY LIVING THING FUCKING STARVING TO DEATH.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
But also
“there are now an all-time high number of honeybee colonies in the US – 3.8m, around 1m more than five years previously.”
According to the guardian
CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
We could always eat the rich.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Everybody says this. Nobody posts recipes.
atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The inherent problem with that is how few there are.
ace_of_based@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
They’re hoarding all the wealth and and are a rich source of vitamins and minerals
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
Think of the shareholders!
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
This is why we’re doomed.
can@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
PixelatedCleric@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Best comment lmao
Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
The people need their ads (or whatever the reasoning is), show some compassion, in a few decades they’ll only be seeing the same Nuka Cola ad everywhere.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Also, bees usually survive cold winters, which could be a thought for last few months.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 5 weeks ago
honeybees are an invasive species, fun fact
unfortunately they outcompeted a lot of the native pollinators so we’re fucked without them though
Glifted@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Honey bees are dying but you can help native bees in your area. Find out what they like and plant that shit. Also just letting weeds grow helps a lot of species.
I get leafcutter bees at my place as well as a few other solitary species
skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Bees live less than two months, so if 80% of bees died in the last 8 months that would suggest a sharp recent increase.
I’m not saying there isn’t a bee crisis, just that this factoid is very badly worded.
roguetrick@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The running thought is these non-native European honeybees couldn’t find forage at the right times due to climate change and these massive commercial hives died.
F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Imma go out on a limb here and blame late stage Capitalism and some sort of pesticide or whatever that could solve the problem if it costed 5 cents more but the solution is to save that money and let the bees die.
Imma take my chances on that.
The2b@lemmy.vg 5 weeks ago
Remember that honey-producing bees are terrible pollenators compared to the specific pollenators who don’t produce honey. The honey producing bees being kept by everyone are artifically outcompeting the specific pollenators, which are what we really need to be supporting.
riodoro1@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
LETS KEEP PUMPING CAPITALISM UP
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mrodri89@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Care about the environment? Great me too. Thats why im asking ya’ll to sign up for the General strike.
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Matriks404@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The longer I live the more I see modern civilization collapse inevitable and happening in the relatively near future.
How the fuck do you even prepare for something like that?
VampirePenguin@midwest.social 5 weeks ago
Want to help? Plant pollinator gardens. Easy peasy. Even some pots of local wildflowers on your patio. It all helps.
RaptorBenn@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
We know why.
donkeyass@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
This doesn’t say 80% of the bees have died.
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Bees have been under assault for a while.
It’s hive mites. The Varroa mite is going to wipe out all bees from the planet. And there’s not a damn thing we can do about it.
Ghosthacked@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Shame. The US is a beautiful country and psycho cult rednecks have let deregulation ruin such beautiful wilderness.
safesyrup@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Nowhere in the article does it say we lost 80% of the bee population. You are spreading misinformation
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I’m not a bee, you’re not a bee, so it sounds like a them problem.
(On the internet, no one knows you’re a bee.)
WickedPissah@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Thanks for researching this! Still not good news for bees 🐝 😪
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
make sure you retract words like bias and gender from your articles and they will come back. they are just extremely bigoted.
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Imagine when we find out bees were the only thing holding it all together.
Aaaaand, it’s over.
Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Pesticides, same as always.
collapse_already@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Bees aren’t the only arthropods having this problem, but for most of the other non-pollinators people seem to think "good less bugs to bother me. " I guess we should just give up on the survival of the food chain.
The news for insects is not entirely bad, emerald ash borers are finding the ability to survive in areas that were formerly too cold for them. This allows them to kill more trees turning them into kindling for lightning strikes and other fire starting events.
Who could have known that fucking with our habitat might have negative consequences for us?
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Probably the same reason we had 40+ tornadoes, huge hailstorms, floods, and drought-enabled wildfires in six adjacent states within 48 hours. Anthropogenic climate change is real, whether you believe in it or not.
dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
Dont forget that time the hurricane hit Tennessee and it fucking flooded the mountains
Everything is totally normal
shalafi@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Well, one would expect mountainous areas to flood because elevation focuses water flow. I’m in Florida, flattest state in the union. We never flood except in hurricanes, and those floods don’t last like they do in other places, in and out.
secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Please stop saying sacreligious comments like this. It’s offensive to religious people.
Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
You know who believes in climate change? Fossil fuel companies, insurance companies, the military industrial complex, and every single politician talking about buying or taking Greenland by force. All the very same people who have spent the past half century publicly denying the existence of anthropogenic climate change. Not only do they believe in it, but they are designing their profit models around it at our expense.
arakhis_@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
grue@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Slap her in the face for me.
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Would a graph help? statista.com/…/divergence-of-ocean-temperatures-f…