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I’m an anarchocommunist, all states are evil.
Your local herpetology guy.
Feel free to AMA about picking a pet/reptiles in general, I have a lot of recommendations for that!
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
I have, I simply disagree with your conclusions.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
No, the machine will and so would a conscious one. you misunderstand. This isn’t an area where a conscious machine wins.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
These have been listed repeatedly: love, think, understand, contemplate, discover, aspire, lead, philosophize, etc.
these are not tasks except maybe philosophize and discover, which even current models can do… discovery has also been done by current models.
deepmind.google/…/alphaevolve-a-gemini-powered-co…
I said a task, not a feeling, a task is a manipulation of the world to achieve a goal, not something vague and undefinable like love.
We want a machine that can tell us what to do, instead.
theres no such thing, there’s no objective right answer to this in the first place, it’s not like a conscious being we know of can do this, why would a conscious machine be able to? This is just you asking the impossible, consciousness would not help even the tiniest bit with this problem. you have to say “what to do to achieve x” for it to have meaning, which these machines could do without solving the hard problem of consciousness at all.
yet again you fail to name one valuable aspect of solving consciousness.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
Why do you expect an unthinking, non-deliberative zombie process to know what you mean by “empower humanity”? There are facts about what is GOOD and what is BAD that can only be grasped through subjective experience.
these cannot be grasped by subjective experience, and I would say nothing can possibly achieve this, not any human at all, the best we can do is poll humanity and go by approximates, which I believe is best handled by something automatic. humans can’t answer these questions in the first place, why should I trust something without subjective experience to do it any worse?
When you tell it to reduce harm, how do you know it won’t undertake a course of eugenics?
because this is unpopular, there are many things online saying not to… do you think humans are immune to this? When has consciousness ever prevented such an outcome?
How do you know it won’t see fit that people like you, by virtue of your stupidity, are culled or sterilized?
we don’t, but we also don’t with conscious beings, so there’s still no stated advantage to consciousness.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
You don’t understand the claims you’re making if you can’t explain them. Try again this time actually explaining yourself rather than just going “some guy said I’m right”, you keep doing that without engaging with the discussion, and you keep assuming the guy verified your claim when they actually verified an irrelevant one.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
That’s just because there are no consistent set of axioms for human intuition. Obviously the best you can do is approximate, and I see no reason you can’t approximate this, feel free to give me proof to the contrary but all you’ve done so far is appeal to authority and not explain your arguments.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
Jobs are not arbitrary, they’re tasks humans want another human to accomplish, an agi could accomplish all of those that a human can.
For instance, people frequently discuss AGI replacing governments. That would require the capacity for leadership. It would require independence of thought and creative deliberation. We simply cannot list (let alone program) all human goals and values. It is logically impossible to axiomatize our value systems. The values would need to be intuited. This is a very famous result in mathematics called Gödel’s first incompleteness theorem
Why do you assume we have to? Even a shitty current ai can do a decent job at this if you fact check it, better than a lot of modern politicians. Feed it the entire internet and let it figure out what humans value, why would we manually do this?
In other words, if we want to build a machine that shares our value system, we will need to do so in such a way that it can figure out our values for itself. How? Well, presumably by being conscious. I would be happy if we could do so without its being conscious, but that’s my point: nobody knows how. Nobody even knows where to begin to guess how. That’s why AGI is so problematic.
humans are conscious and have gotten no closer to doing this, ever, I see no reason to believe consciousness will help at all with this matter.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
A job is a task one human wants another to accomplish, it is not arbitrary at all.
philosophy, politics, science are among the most important non-family-oriented “jobs” we humans do. They require consciousness.
i don’t see why they do, a philosophical zombie could do it, why not an unconscious AI? alphaevolve is already making new science, I see no reason an unconscious being with the abilty to manipulate the world and verify couldn’t do these things.
Plus, if a machine does what it’s told, then someone would be telling it what to do. That’s a job that a machine cannot do. But most of our jobs are already about telling machines what to do. If an AGI is not self-directed, it can’t tell other machines what to do, unless it is itself told what to do. But then someone is telling it what to do, which is “a job.”
yes but you can give it large, vague goals like “empower humanity, do what we say and minimize harm.” And it will still do them. So what does it matter?
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
The existence of black holes has a functional purpose in physics, the existence of consciousness only has one to our subjective experience, and not one to our capabilities.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
You’ve arbitrarily defined an agi by its consciousness instead of its capabilities.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
Most people can’t identify a correct mathematical equation from an incorrect one
this is irrelevant, we’re talking about something where nobody can tell the difference.
What is “economically important labor”? Arguably the most economically important labor is giving birth, raising your children, and supporting your family. So would an AGI be some sort of inorganic uterus as well as a parent and a lover? Lol.
it means a job. That’s obviously not a job and obviously not what is meant, an interesting strategy from one who just used “what most people mean when they say”
That’s a pretty tall order, if AGI also has to do philosophy, politics, and science. All fields that require the capacity for rational deliberation and independent thought, btw.
it just has to be at least as good as a human at manipulating the world to achieve its goals, I don’t know of any other definition of agi that factors in actually meaningful tasks
an agi should be able to do almost any task a human can do at a computer. It doesn’t have to be conscious and I have no idea why or where consciousness factors into the equation.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
Being able to decide its own goals is a completely unimportant aspect of the problem.
why do you care?
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
If there’s no way to tell the illusion from reality, tell me why it matters functionally at all.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
If it quacks like a duck it changes the entire global economy and can potentially destroy humanity. All while you go “ah but it’s not really reasoning.”
what difference does it make if it can do the same intellectual labor as a human? If I tell it to cure cancer and it does will you then say “but who would want yet another machine that just does what we say?”
your point reads like complete nonsense to me. How is that economically valuable? Why are you asserting most people care about that and not the part where it cures a disease when we ask it to?
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
A philosophical zombie still gets its work done, I fundamentally disagree.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
Consciousness is entirely overrated, it doesn’t mean anything important at all. An ai just needs logic, reasoning and a goal to effectively change things. Solving consciousness will do nothing of practical value, it will be entirely philosophical.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 2 weeks ago:
Tbh would happen with high compute agi as it could then create low compute tendrils.
- Comment on SteamOS finally released by Valve 3 weeks ago:
I specialize in giving new users linux and documentation has not been an issue at all with bazzite, I just let them know to use rpm-ostree as little as possible ( and that it replaces the normal fedora package manager ) and only when necessary and search for atomic fedora for guides.
so far I have run into zero documentation issues that weren’t just general linux ones. I think your claim might have been true a while ago but no longer is.
- Comment on SteamOS finally released by Valve 3 weeks ago:
Tbh I copy and pasted a lot from a previous post I made about mint
- Comment on SteamOS finally released by Valve 3 weeks ago:
Tbh I don’t agree at all that kubuntu is easier for beginners, that may have been the case 5 or so years ago, but bazzite and aurora are the best now, also there’s literally no reason to use fedora over bazzite or aurora since they’re literally the same thing except with some added packages and important fixes (especially the ffmpeg fix that makes twitch work)
- Comment on [deleted] 1 month ago:
I do question your moral choice of putting flavor above killing
To be clear, I do not. What I’m doing is morally wrong, in fact, it’s morally terrible, but I do it anyway.
- Comment on [deleted] 1 month ago:
Did you choose to eat meat?
Yes.
What’s your logic?
There is none, I wholly accept that it is entirely illogical and unethical. I am addicted to the flavor.
Which animals?
Any so long as it is delicious.
Would you eat dog?
Yes. It’s no different than pig in my eyes.
- Comment on [deleted] 1 month ago:
What does eating the same foods you grew up with have to do with it?
i try all new things even bugs, but some foods I grew up with are delicious
- Comment on Denying the Human Sex Binary Turns Biology into Nonsense 1 month ago:
I don’t care what discovery magazine says. It’s wrong.
On what basis? Is that a fact or your opinion?
Here’s the original source: www.sciencedirect.com/…/S1087184599911295?via=ihu…
This is my field of expertise.
Herpetology is my field, do you specifically study reproduction?
Intersex is not another sex category as much as your want it to be.
Why not?
It’s a defect. Plain and simple.
You couldn’t explain why it’s a defect. This is just your opinion.
There are only two sexes in human biology. This isn’t a debate.
Except for the thing you call a defect unjustifiably.
This isn’t a debate. This is how it’s taught and it’s taught this way for a reason.
Except it isn’t taught that way at higher levels, because things are often more complex than they are at the simple levels, for the same reason species is taught as things that can’t interbreed at the lower levels.
Do you know the definition of a species?
- Comment on Denying the Human Sex Binary Turns Biology into Nonsense 1 month ago:
Sex is about reproduction. There are only two sexes. Period.
except when there aren’t like here: discovermagazine.com/…/why-this-fungus-has-over-2…
and when even by your own gametes definition intersex people produce both.
I’m defending facts.
You’re not, I just gave you contradictory facts, you’re defending your opinion.
We don’t need stupid children. Not understand the classification.
There’s literally nobody who doesn’t understand or is confused by this.
Two is all you need for humans. Period.
Except in intersex cases where there’s at least 3 and arguably 4 if you want to include producing neither gametes.
- Comment on What would this list look like for your generation? 1 month ago:
You’d think so but I think saying o*io is a little much… up there with the n-bomb, you just can’t say it
- Comment on Denying the Human Sex Binary Turns Biology into Nonsense 1 month ago:
Sex is binary. It’s taught in biology in binary.
Yes, except for hermaphrodytes and when you get more into the weeds it kinda breaks down… like a lot of basic concepts in biology.
Species are taught as things that cannot interbreed, but you also will realize that falls apart along close analysis.
Trust science.
No. Science is all about skepticism, you don’t have to trust science, that’s the whole point! You make reproducible, repeatable predictions precisely so that you do not have to trust science. Science is not a faith.
Sex is a classification for reproduction and not feelings.
You’re the one that seems to have feelings blocking your ability to process this.
Sex is a classification that needs improvement to accurately describe the totality of reproduction.
- Comment on Denying the Human Sex Binary Turns Biology into Nonsense 1 month ago:
Should we also make science more Christian-inclusive?
Yes, being more inclusive is always good.
Avoid teaching things that are offensive to them?
No, but nobody said we should do that, so, what’s your point?
That would surely increase the number of scientists.
We aren’t increasing it at all costs, we’re just finding ways to increase it by being kind to one another.
No, because that would be silly.
Yeah, that would be silly… but nobody is arguing for it and this is entirely a strawman.
Science doesn’t care how you identify.
Humans do science, humans should care.
Put up or shut up.
How does that benefit science?
- Comment on Denying the Human Sex Binary Turns Biology into Nonsense 1 month ago:
The definition you’re pushing is incoherent garbage. If there’s actually a better definition, great. Yours isn’t it.
All definitions are incoherent garbage, is the problem, that’s why they’re trying to make new better ones.
My definition stands, sex is not binary, because of intersex people, even by that definition, that’s one of many possible definitions, how do you know you have the best one?
What do you think my definition is, and what are its flaws?
I’m not going to wade through a bunch of garbage. You couldn’t even be arsed to figure out that the author isn’t a serious academic and won’t stand behind her own work before citing it. Find real citations first. A shit poll isn’t a citation either
Okay, but they still stand.
- Comment on Choose a number, 1-5! 1 month ago:
The only valid choice is 3, I want the full weight of the fork to be the tongs so they don’t knock cups over.