Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai?

• yeahiknow3@lemmings.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Matter to whom?

  We are discussing whether creating an AGI is possible, not whether humans can tell the difference (which is a separate discussion).

  Most people can’t identify a correct mathematical equation from an incorrect one, especially when the solution is irrelevant to their lives. Does that mean that doing mathematics correctly “doesn’t matter?”

  It would be weird to enter a mathematical forum and ask “why do you care? Why does it matter?”

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  • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Most people can’t identify a correct mathematical equation from an incorrect one

    this is irrelevant, we’re talking about something where nobody can tell the difference.

    What is “economically important labor”? Arguably the most economically important labor is giving birth, raising your children, and supporting your family. So would an AGI be some sort of inorganic uterus as well as a parent and a lover? Lol.

    it means a job. That’s obviously not a job and obviously not what is meant, an interesting strategy from one who just used “what most people mean when they say”

    That’s a pretty tall order, if AGI also has to do philosophy, politics, and science. All fields that require the capacity for rational deliberation and independent thought, btw.

    it just has to be at least as good as a human at manipulating the world to achieve its goals, I don’t know of any other definition of agi that factors in actually meaningful tasks

    an agi should be able to do almost any task a human can do at a computer. It doesn’t have to be conscious and I have no idea why or where consciousness factors into the equation.

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    • yeahiknow3@lemmings.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      we’re talking about something where nobody can tell the difference, not where it’s difficult.

      You’re missing the point. The existence of black holes was predicted long before anyone had any idea how to identify them. For many years, it was impossible. Does that mean black holes don’t matter? That we shouldn’t have contemplated their existence?

      Seriously though, I’m out.

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      • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The existence of black holes has a functional purpose in physics, the existence of consciousness only has one to our subjective experience, and not one to our capabilities.

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    • yeahiknow3@lemmings.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Economics is descriptive, not prescriptive. The whole concept of “a job” is completely made up and arbitrary.

      This has been fun, but I’m bored now.

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      • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        A job is a task one human wants another to accomplish, it is not arbitrary at all.

        philosophy, politics, science are among the most important non-family-oriented “jobs” we humans do. They require consciousness.

        i don’t see why they do, a philosophical zombie could do it, why not an unconscious AI? alphaevolve is already making new science, I see no reason an unconscious being with the abilty to manipulate the world and verify couldn’t do these things.

        Plus, if a machine does what it’s told, then someone would be telling it what to do. That’s a job that a machine cannot do. But most of our jobs are already about telling machines what to do. If an AGI is not self-directed, it can’t tell other machines what to do, unless it is itself told what to do. But then someone is telling it what to do, which is “a job.”

        yes but you can give it large, vague goals like “empower humanity, do what we say and minimize harm.” And it will still do them. So what does it matter?

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