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⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Little know fact⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
12 inch member
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Deny it?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
I’m earthquake
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Looks legit, but can it actually be a real thing?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Officers can still access the debug mode and see everything. For when they need a quick wank
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why the long gill?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Spinal catastrophe fucked up the being alive meta on this planet. Everything is spinal now. So unoriginal
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨someone tell Luigi about this⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Everybody printing guns, so yawn Wake me up when they printing anti air missiles
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The one drawback to walking at night⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Well Picard Manoeuvre has made the odious post, whatever his reasons he now belongs in prison for a long time.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The one drawback to walking at night⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
This why we can’t have nice things
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition Review & Benchmarks: Gaming, Thermals, & Power [ch: Gamers Nexus, t: 40:02]⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Not for no reason, drama gets attention. Also most tech reviewers are shameless shills
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hold on!⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
AI can easily tell the human is not AI in a reverse tyring test.

It’s not even close m.youtube.com/watch?v=0MmIZLTMHUw
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hold on!⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Clearly human
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Yaay⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
The internet has a mistake we must cut every last fiber of its heinous being.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Par for the course⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Lizards too
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨This could be the costume for a New Super Hero. What would you name him?⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
This account is a good litmus test for lemmy censorship
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨This could be the costume for a New Super Hero. What would you name him?⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
The Open Fly
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Checking in⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Dude I was just scrolling fun pics and there was that other dude so I typed the question and just posted the answer here. I don’t have the time at this moment to join a book club!
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Checking in⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

What does Huey P. Newton mean by “bourgeois”?

First line, this is the question I had
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Checking in⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
I’m sorry, the library was closed.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Checking in⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
“Real cheese” is a trademark cheese like substitute derived from petroleum coke and nitrogen troxide.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Checking in⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
What does Huey P. Newton mean by “bourgeois”?

ChatGPT said:

Huey P. Newton, co-founder of the Black Panther Party, used the term “bourgeois” to refer to the wealthy or middle class who uphold capitalist, oppressive systems that exploit marginalized communities. The word comes from Marxist theory, where the bourgeoisie is the class that owns the means of production (like factories, businesses, and property) and benefits from the labor of the working class (the proletariat).

In Newton’s context, the bourgeois class represented those in power who benefited from systemic oppression, racism, and economic inequality. He saw the U.S. capitalist system as one that allowed the bourgeoisie (both white and Black) to maintain their wealth and status by exploiting the poor, particularly Black people.

Newton often criticized “bourgeois values”—such as individualism, materialism, and allegiance to the capitalist system—as a barrier to liberation. He believed that true liberation required rejecting these values and dismantling capitalist structures that perpetuate inequality.

You said:

In this conception of bourgeois, are all wage labourer still not bourgeois and anyone that profits off wage labour is bourgeois? Is ownership of the means of production a central factor?

ChatGPT said:

Yes, in Huey P. Newton’s conception — heavily influenced by Marxist theory — the ownership of the means of production is indeed a central factor in defining the bourgeois class. According to Marxist and Black Panther thought, a person is bourgeois if they profit from the exploitation of others’ labor by owning or controlling the means of production (factories, businesses, land, etc.) and employing wage labor to extract surplus value (profit) from workers.

Are all wage laborers not bourgeois?

No, wage laborers are not bourgeois. In Marxist theory, wage laborers are part of the proletariat (working class), regardless of how much they earn or their social status. Even well-paid workers, like doctors or engineers, are still considered proletariat if they rely on selling their labor to survive, because they don’t own the means of production and don’t profit off the labor of others. In Newton’s view, Black people in America — especially the poor and working class — were overwhelmingly proletarian because they were exploited by a capitalist system that kept them oppressed and excluded from wealth and ownership.

However, wage laborers can become bourgeois in consciousness if they adopt bourgeois values, such as prioritizing personal wealth and status over collective liberation. This is what Newton referred to as the “petit bourgeois mentality” — when members of the oppressed class start to think and act like their oppressors, aspiring to climb the capitalist ladder rather than dismantle the system. Is anyone who profits off wage labor bourgeois?

Yes. In Marxist theory (and Newton’s view), anyone who profits off the labor of others is bourgeois, regardless of their personal background. This includes not just the ultra-wealthy capitalist elite, but also small business owners, landlords, and middle-class professionals who employ people and extract surplus value from their labor.

For example:
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A CEO of a corporation is bourgeois because they profit off the labor of their workers.

A small business owner who employs workers for a wage is also bourgeois (albeit petit bourgeois or “small bourgeoisie”) because they still profit from the work of others.
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In contrast, a sole proprietor who works entirely by themselves and doesn’t exploit anyone else’s labor is not bourgeois. They are still part of the proletariat, despite being self-employed, because they rely solely on their own labor. Summary of Key Points:
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Ownership of the means of production is central to the definition of bourgeois.

Wage laborers are not bourgeois; they are proletarian because they don’t own the means of production.

Anyone who profits off the labor of others is bourgeois, even if they are a small business owner or landlord (petit bourgeois).

Bourgeois is both a class position and a state of mind. Wage laborers can adopt bourgeois values even if they aren’t bourgeois by class.
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For Newton, the Black liberation struggle required rejecting bourgeois capitalist values and building a new, socialist society based on collective ownership and the elimination of exploitation.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Checking in⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Horny check failed, usb host-to-host you dirty dog
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Checking in⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
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⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Apple CEO Tim Cook Donating $1 Million to Trump's Inaugural Fund⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
You are grieving for something that never really existed. If it exists and we are bold enough, then it exists in the future but you’ll have to trade your grief for hope, and an aluminium baseball bat.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Apple CEO Tim Cook Donating $1 Million to Trump's Inaugural Fund⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Because American democracy, is not real and this is a scientifically proven fact. act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/

They even made a video about it youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨I got into the wrong career lol⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Sex work is performance.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Pornhub Is Now Blocked In Almost All of the U.S. South⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Legalize recreational nukes, worldwide.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Venezuela fines TikTok $10M for fatal social media challenges that led to the death of 3 teenager, intoxication of 200 others⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Why not shutdown tiktok, emprison copycats?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Le Reddit Army is Here⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
“I’ll start my own Lemmy, with blackjack and hookers” and it will have the same systemic structure that perpetuates underhanded unaccountable shadow moderation and the concentration of power into the hand of a few individuals who just happened to be at the right place at the right time and cannot realistically be avoided or dislodged until an absolutely monumental fuckup on their part that it can’t be ignored.

It’s becoming clear that Lemmy is not in any way the safe haven it has been marketed as. And this NFT rigamarole certainly isn’t going to be that either.

Anything that doesn’t put the ENTIRE content discovery engine fully in the hands of the users and that doesn’t make content moderation a crowdsourced-only transparent, auditable endeavor is going to reproduce l’ancien régime.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Le Reddit Army is Here⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Getting permabanned from reddit is the best thing that happened to me in 2024. I don’t even know what for and I don’t care.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Le Reddit Army is Here⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
That’s the logic that ends dictators.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Le Reddit Army is Here⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
That part is the exact same and worse here. Lemmy is not really decrentralized, it’s just fractured. Each community still have just one “big one” by design.