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interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
AI is bad and people who use it should feel bad.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 16 minutes ago
So is eating meat, flying, gaming, going om holiday, basically if you exist you should feel bar
absentbird@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
When people say this they are usually talking about a very specific sort of generative LLM using unsupervised learning.
AI is a very broad field with great potential, the improvements in cancer screening alone could save millions of lives over the coming decades. At the core it’s just math, and the equations have been in use for almost as long as we’ve had computers. It’s no more good or bad than calculus or trigonometry.
occultist8128@infosec.pub 48 minutes ago
No hope commenting like this, just get ready getting downvoted with no reason. People use wrong terms and normalize it.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The problem isn’t AI. The problem is Capitalism.
The problem is always Capitalism.
AI, Climate Change, rising fascism, all our problems are because of capitalism.
Ofiuco@piefed.ca 2 hours ago
Wrong.
The problem are humans, the same things that happen under capitalism can (and would) happen under any other system because humans are the ones who make these things happen or allow them to happen.Eldritch@piefed.world 1 hour ago
While you aren't wrong about human nature. I'd say you're wrong about systems. How would the same thing happen under an anarchist system? Or under an actual communist (not Marxist-Leninist) system? Which account for human nature and focus to use it against itself.
Tja@programming.dev 2 hours ago
Can, would… and did. The list of environmental disasters in the Soviet is long and intense.
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Rather, our problem is that we live in a world where the strongest will survive, and the strongest does not mean the smart… So alas we will always be in complete shit until we disappear.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
That’s a pathetic, defeatist world view. Yeah, we’re victims of our circumstances, but we can make the world a better place than what we were raised in.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Its true. We can have a nuanced view. Im just so fucking sick of the paid off media hyping this shit, and normies thinking its the best thing ever when they know NOTHING about it. And the absolute blind trust and corpo worship make me physically ill.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
Nuance is the thing.
Thinking AI is the devil, will kill your grandma and shit in your shoes is equally as dumb as thinking AI is the solution to any problem, will take over the world and become our overlord.
The truth is, like always, somewhere in between.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 hours ago
Distributed platform owned by no one founded by people who support individual control of data and content access Majority of users are proponents of owning what one makes and supporting those who create art and entertainment AI industry shits on above comments by harvesting private data and creative work without consent or compensation, along with being a money, energy, and attention tar pit
Buddy, do you know what you’re here for? Or are you yet another bot lost in the shuffle?
dactylotheca@suppo.fi 8 hours ago
Or are you yet another bot lost in the shuffle?
Yes, good job, anybody with opinions you don’t like is a bot.
It’s not like this was even a pro-AI post rather than just pointing out that even the most facile “ai bad, applause please” stuff will get massively upvoted
galoisghost@aussie.zone 7 hours ago
Yes, good job, anybody with opinions you don’t like is a bot.
I fucking knew it!
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 hours ago
Yeah, I guess that was a bit too far, posted before I checked the user history or really gave it time to sit in my head.
Still, this kind of meme is usually used to imply that the comment is just a trend rather than a legitimate statement.
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
I’m sure AI would be great if we actually had it. LLMs are not AI.
Draces@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
They factually are. ML is AI. I think you mean AGI maybe?
Oderus@lemmy.world 39 minutes ago
AI > ML > DL > GenAi.
AI is a generic term for any LLM followed by Machine Learning, Deep Learning and Generative AI.
The hate against AI is hilariously misinformed.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
GTFO with your nuanced and engaged understanding. This is Lemmy.
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Could be, I get confused by the alphabet soup of acronyms. I mean these glorified predictive text machines that for some reason marketers are trying to push as having some sort of ability to “think”.
Mostly_Roblox@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I personally think of AI as a tool, what matters is how you use it. I like to think of it like a hammer. You could use a hammer to build a house, or you could smash someone’s skull in with it. But no one’s putting the hammer in jail.
oppy1984@lemdro.id 6 hours ago
Seriously, the AI hate gets old fast. Like you said it’s a tool, gey over it people.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Yeah, except it’s a tool that most people don’t know how to use but everyone can use, leading to environmental harm, a rapid loss of media literacy, and a huge increase in wealth inequality due to turmoil in the job market.
So… It’s not a good tool for the average layperson to be using.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
Stop drinking the cool aid bro. Think of these statements critically for a second. Environmental harm? Sure. I hope you’re a vegan as well.
Loss of media literacy: What does this even mean? People are doing things the easy way instead of the hard way? Yes, of course cutting corners is bad, but the problem is the conditions that lead to that person choosing to cut corners, the problem is the demand for maximum efficiency at any cost, for top numbers. AI is is making a problem evident, not causing it. If you’re home on a Friday after your second shift of the day, fuck yeah you want to do things easy and fast. Literacy what? Just let me watch something funny.
Do you feel you’ve become more stupid? Do you think it’s possible? Why wouild other people, who are just like you, be these puppets to be brain washed by the evil machine?
Ask yourself. How are people measuring intelligence? Creativity? How many people were in these studies and who funded them? If we had the measuring instrument needed to actually make categorizations like “People are losing intelligence.” Psychologists wouldn’t still be arguing over the exact definition of intelligence.
Stop thinking of AI as a boogieman inside people’s heads. It is a machine. People using the machine to achieve a mundane goal, it doesn’t mean the machine created the goal or is responsible for everything wrong with humanity.
Huge increase in inequality? What? Brother AI is a machine. It is the robber barons that are exploiting you and all of the working class to get obsenely rich. AI is the tool they’re using. AI can’t be held accountable. AI has no will. AI is a tool. It is people that are increasing inequality. It is the system held in place by these people that rewards exploitation and encourages to look at the evil machine instead. And don’t even use it, the less you know, the better. If you never engage with AI technology, you’ll believe everything I say about how evil it is.
RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
A hammer doesn’t consume exorbitant amounts of power and water.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
Do you think hammers grow out of the ground? Or that the magically spawn the building materials to work on?
Everything we do has a cost. We should definitely strive for efficiency and responsibile use of resources. But to use this as an excuse, while you read this in a device made of metals mined by children, is pretty hypocritical.
No consumption is ehical under capitalism, take responsibility instead for what you do with that consumption.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 6 hours ago
“Guns don’t kill people, people kill people”
Grimy@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Bad faith comparison.
The reason we can argue for banning guns and not hammers is specifically because guns are meant to hurt people. That’s literally their only use. Hammers have a variety of uses and hurting people is definitely not the primary one.
AI is a tool, not a weapon. This is kind of melodramatic.
ignotum@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
My skull-crushing hammer that is made to crush skulls and nothing else doesn’t crush skulls, people crush skulls
In fact, if more people had skull-crushing hammers in their homes, i’m sure that would lead to a reduction in the number of skull-crushings, the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a skull-crushing hammer, is a good guy with a skull-crushing hammerKintarian@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Guns don’t kill people. People with guns kill people.
Ftfy
Allero@lemmy.today 5 hours ago
Yet gun control works.
Same idea.
burgerchurgarr@lemmus.org 5 hours ago
GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
I don’t hate the concept as is, I hate how it is being marketed and shoved everywhere and into everything by sheer hype and the need for returns on the absurd amounts of money that were thrown at it.
Companies use it to justify layoffs, create cheap vibed up products, delegate responsibilities to am absolutely not computer program. Not even mentioning the colossal amount of natural and financial resources being thrown down this drain.
I read a great summary yesterday somewhere on here that essentially said “they took a type of computer model made to give answers to very specific questions it has been trained on, and then trained it on everything to make a generalist”. Except that doesn’t work, the broader the spectrum the model is covering the less accurate it will be.
Identifying skin cancer? Perfect tool for the job.
Giving drones the go ahead on an ambiguous target? Providing psychological care to people in distress? FUCK NO.
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
And here the question is: should we laugh out of despair or just cry?
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Yeah it is bad
It’s actually a real problem
RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 hours ago
How people dare not like the automatic bullshit machine pushed down their troat…
Seriously, genrative AI acomplishment are :
- Making mass spam easier
- Burning the planet
- Making people lose their job and not even being a decent solution
- Make all search engine and information sources worse
- Creating an economic bubble that will fuckup the economy even harder
- Easing mass surveillance and weakening privacy everywhere
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 7 hours ago
One could have said many of the same thigs about a lot of new technologies.
The Internet
Nuclear
Airplanes etc.Any new disruptive technology comes with drawbacks and can be used for evil.
But that doesn't mean it's all bad, or that it doesn't have its uses.
RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
Give me one real world use that is worth the downside.
As dev I can already tell you it’s not coding or around code. Project get spamed with low quality nonsensical bug repport, ai generated code rarely work and doesn’t integrate well ( on top on pushing all the work on the reviewer wich is already the hardest part of coding ) and ai written documentation is ridled with errors and is not legible.
And even if ai was remotly good at something it still the equivalent of a microwave trying to replace the entire restaurant kitchen.
deur@feddit.nl 6 hours ago
Absolutely brain dead to compare the probability engine “AI” with no fundamental use beyond marketed value with a wide variety of truly useful innovations that did not involve marketing in their design.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Of those, only the internet was turned loose on an unsuspecting public, and they had decades of the faucet slowly being opened, to prepare.
Can you imagine if after WW2, Werner Von Braun came to the USA and then just like… Gave every man woman and child a rocket, with no training? Good and evil wouldn’t even come into, it’d be chaos and destruction.
Imagine if every household got a nuclear reactor to power it, but none of the people in the household got any training in how to care for it.
It’s not a matter of good and evil, it’s a matter of harm.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Yes. AI can be used for spam, job cuts, and creepy surveillance, no argument there, but pretending it’s nothing more than a corporate scam machine is just lazy cynicism. This same “automatic BS” is helping discover life-saving drugs, diagnosing cancers earlier than some doctors, giving deaf people real-time conversations through instant transcription, translating entire languages on the fly, mapping wildfire and flood zones so first responders know exactly where to go, accelerating scientific breakthroughs from climate modeling to space exploration, and cutting out the kind of tedious grunt work that wastes millions of human hours a day. The problem isn’t that AI exists, it’s that a lot of powerful people use it selfishly and irresponsibly. Blaming the tech instead of demanding better governance is like blaming the printing press for bad propaganda.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 6 hours ago
This same “automatic BS” is helping discover life-saving drugs, diagnosing cancers earlier than some doctors
Not the same kind of AI. At all. Generative AI vendors love this motte-and-bailey.
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
Arent those different types of AI?
I dont think anyone hating AI is referring to the code that makes enemies move, or sort things into categories
CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
It Is true thou, ai bad
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 7 hours ago
You’d also get a ton of upvotes for saying “Trump bad”, but you wouldn’t be wrong. Shit is just shit.
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
It would still be a performative post though.
What we need is a circlejerk@ community
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 7 hours ago
He's potentially bringing the downfall of the US, so that could be seen as good?
AI isn't that black and white, just like any big technology it can be used for good or bad.
Just like Airplanes
deur@feddit.nl 6 hours ago
Good lord stop comparing LLMs to airplanes in your replies. This is why you think “AI bad” is an unserious statement.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 hours ago
Yes, any further questions?
_cnt0@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
I’d welcome actual AI. What is peddled everyday as “AI” is just marketing bullshit. There’s no intelligence in it. Language shapes perception and we should take those words back and use them according to their original and inherent meaning. LLMs are not AI. Stable diffusion is not AI. Neural networks trained for a singular task are not AI.
occultist8128@infosec.pub 2 hours ago
Define “intelligence”
_cnt0@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence
Take your pick from anything that isn’t recent and by computer scientists or mathematicians, to call stuff intelligent that clearly isn’t. According to some modern marketing takes I developed AI 20 years ago (optimizing search problems for agentic systems); it’s just that my peers and I weren’t stupid enough to call the results intelligent.
Mika@sopuli.xyz 5 hours ago
lemmycirclejerk ☺️
naught101@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
AI is exactly as bad as mechanised weaving looms.
pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 hours ago
i’m pro-AI (with huuuuge caveats) but i disagree with this… AI reduces certain jobs in a similar way, but it also enables large scale manipulation and fucks with our thought processes on a large scale
i’d say it’s like if a mechanised weaving loom also invented the concept of disinformation and propaganda
BroBot9000@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
You mean it’s going to outsource the labour to children in third world countries?
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 hours ago
AI BAD, TRUMP BAD, GENOCIDE BAD.
Now where are my upvotes?
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
You forgot CEOs and landlords.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
And the call for violence, because it splat as it’s your team* doing it.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 hours ago
fixed
Tetsuo@jlai.lu 7 hours ago
An AI could be demonstrably 30 times more accurate than a human in diagnosing a cancer on a scan Lemmy would still shit on it because it’s an IA :D.
On Reddit I knew that the subject of gun control was not allowed to be talked about. Now I embraced Lemmy and I can’t talk no matter what about AI. It’s just a taboo subject. Apparently some people want to reject the tech entirely and think it will somehow just magically stay out of their lives. A very naive dream.
So yeah Lemmy. Refuse the conversation, look away, I’m sure it will be fine.
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
An AI could be demonstrably 30 times more accurate than a human in diagnosing a cancer on a scan Lemmy would still shit on it because it’s an IA
I think this is an exaggeration.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Thats because platforms like Lemmy and Reddit utilize the bandwagon effect. The upvote/downvote system is inherently flawed because there is no accountability as to why one votes the way they do.
In this particular case people are just ignorant as to how these new technologies function for example they continue to call them AI when they’re not AI they’re llms… They have no clue how the technology functions or how it should function and simply go by whatever they read on their feed which on lemmy as you know is nothing good.
occultist8128@infosec.pub 7 hours ago
In this particular case people are just ignorant as to how these new technologies function for example they continue to call them AI when they’re not AI they’re llms
You’re my people 👏
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 hours ago
Legitimately useful applications, like in the medical field, are actually brought up as examples of the “right kind” of use case for this technology.
Over and over again.
It’s kind annoying, because both the haters of commercial LLM in All The Things and defenders of the same will bring up these exact same use cases as examples of good ai use.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Think about your argument for a minute.
I know you think this will harm you and everyone you know, but it’ll be much better if you just stay quiet instead of vocally opposing it
When has that ever been good advice?
razorcandy@discuss.tchncs.de 8 hours ago
There are valid reasons for disliking AI (rather, how it’s being used) and I’ll upvote when a relevant, informed argument is made against it. Otherwise I’ll mentally filter out the low-effort comments that just say “fuck AI” with dozens of upvotes.
occultist8128@infosec.pub 7 hours ago
+1
EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
occultist8128@infosec.pub 8 hours ago
Peak misunderstanding between AI and LLM
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
The LLM shills have made “AI” refer exclusively to LLMs. Honestly the best ad campaign ever.
frog@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
Why the hell are you being downvoted? You are completely right.
People will look back at this and “hover boards” and will think “are they stupid!?”
Mislabeling a product isn’t great marketing, it’s false advertisement.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Apple = bad is also an instant karma farm 😁
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 7 hours ago
I prefer the fine vintage of a M$ = bad post, myself.
Or perhaps even a spicy little Ubuntu = bad post.
JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Back in my day, PAC-Man ghosts stayed perfectly still, exhibiting no behaviour at all and that’s how we Lemmy people liked it!
salty_chief@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Remember when the internet was treated like AI when it first dropped? People up in arms about internets influence on young people/kids.
This all seems really familiar.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Not all that glitters is gold. 🤷
DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 7 hours ago
WTF is "AI"? You mean LLM?
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 8 hours ago
Where are you seeing more than 200 upvotes on any post?
josefo@leminal.space 5 hours ago
Yes
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 5 hours ago
Pfft, as if a post on lemmy would ever get more than 1K upvotes.
BroBot9000@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Do you really need to have a list of why people are sick of LLM and Ai slop?
Ai is literally making people dumber:
microsoft.com/…/lee_2025_ai_critical_thinking_sur…
www.theregister.com/…/is_ai_changing_our_brains/
They are a massive privacy risk:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyH7zoP-JOg&t=3015s
theconversation.com/ai-tools-collect-and-store-da…
Are being used to push fascist ideologies into every aspect of the internet:
…org.uk/…/ai-the-new-aesthetics-of-fascism/
And they are a massive environmental disaster:
news.mit.edu/…/explained-generative-ai-environmen…
forbes.com/…/ai-is-accelerating-the-loss-of-our-s…
Stop being a corporate apologist and stop wreaking the environment with this shit technology.
AnonomousWolf@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
If you ever take a flight for holiday, or even drive long distance and cry about AI being bad for the environment then you’re a hypocrite.
Same goes for if you eat beef, or having a really powerful gaming rig that you use a lot.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
You’re getting downvoted for speaking the truth to an echo chamber my guy.
BroBot9000@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Ahh so are you going to acknowledge the privacy invasion and brain rotting cause by Ai or are you just going to focus on dismissing the environmental concerns? Cause I liked more than just the environmental impacts.
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Hypocrisy can be called the primitive nature of man who chooses what is easier because he is designed that way. Human is like a cancerous tumor for the planet.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 hours ago
With the number of times that refrain is regurgitated here ad nauseum, need is an odd way to put it. Sick of it might fit sentiments better. Done with this & not giving a shit is another.
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
This can be called not a technology, but a weapon for killing in my opinion.