The problem isn’t AI. The problem is Capitalism.
The problem is always Capitalism.
AI, Climate Change, rising fascism, all our problems are because of capitalism.
Lemmy be like
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to [deleted]
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Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ofiuco@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
[deleted]zeca@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Problems would exist in any system, but not the same problems. Each system has its set of problems and challenges. Just look at history, problems change. Of course you can find analogies between problems, but their nature changes with our systems. Hunger, child mortality, pollution, having no free time, war, censorship, mass surveilence,… these are not constant through history. They happen more or less depending on the social systems in place, which vary constantly.
Eldritch@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
While you aren't wrong about human nature. I'd say you're wrong about systems. How would the same thing happen under an anarchist system? Or under an actual communist (not Marxist-Leninist) system? Which account for human nature and focus to use it against itself.
Tja@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Can, would… and did. The list of environmental disasters in the Soviet is long and intense.
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Rather, our problem is that we live in a world where the strongest will survive, and the strongest does not mean the smart… So alas we will always be in complete shit until we disappear.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a pathetic, defeatist world view. Yeah, we’re victims of our circumstances, but we can make the world a better place than what we were raised in.
Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The fittest survive. The problem is creating systems where the best fit are people who lack empathy and and a moral code.
A better fit would be selecting world leaders from the population at random.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Distributed platform owned by no one founded by people who support individual control of data and content access Majority of users are proponents of owning what one makes and supporting those who create art and entertainment AI industry shits on above comments by harvesting private data and creative work without consent or compensation, along with being a money, energy, and attention tar pit
Buddy, do you know what you’re here for? Or are you yet another bot lost in the shuffle?
dactylotheca@suppo.fi 2 weeks ago
Or are you yet another bot lost in the shuffle?
Yes, good job, anybody with opinions you don’t like is a bot.
It’s not like this was even a pro-AI post rather than just pointing out that even the most facile “ai bad, applause please” stuff will get massively upvoted
galoisghost@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
Yes, good job, anybody with opinions you don’t like is a bot.
I fucking knew it!
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I guess that was a bit too far, posted before I checked the user history or really gave it time to sit in my head.
Still, this kind of meme is usually used to imply that the comment is just a trend rather than a legitimate statement.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
The currently hot LLM technology is very interesting and I believe it has legitimate use cases. If we develop them into tools that help assist work. (For example, I’m very intrigued by the stuff that’s happening in the accessibility field.)
I mostly have problem with the AI business. Ludicruous use cases (shoving AI into places where it has no business in). Sheer arrogance about the sociopolitics in general. Environmental impact. LLMs aren’t good enough for “real” work, but snake oil salesmen keep saying they can do that, and uncritical people keep falling for it.
And of course, the social impact was just not what we were ready for. “Move fast and break things” may be a good mantra for developing tech, but not for releasing stuff that has vast social impact.
I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field. Usually, AI technologies just got gradually developed and integrated to software where they served purpose. Now, it’s marred with controversy for decades to come.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If we develop them into tools that help assist work.
Spoilers: We will not
I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field.
I think this is just an American way of doing business. And it’s awful, but at the end of the day people will adopt technology if it makes them greater profit (or at least screws over the correct group of people).
But where the Americanized AI seems to suffer most is in their marketing fully eclipsing their R&D. People seem to have forgotten how DeepSeek spiked the football on OpenAI less than a year ago by making some marginal optimizations to their algorithm.
The field isn’t suffering from the hype cycle nearly so much as it suffers from malinvestment. Huge efforts to make the platform marketable. Huge efforts to shoehorn clumsy chat bots into every nook and cranny of the OS interface. Vanishingly little effort to optimize material consumption or effectively process data or to segregate AI content from the human data it needs to improve.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Spoilers: We will not
Generative inpainting/fill is enormously helpful in media production.
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
lnuidp@crazypeople.online 2 weeks ago
Wouldn’t the opposite of artificial intelligence be natural stupidity?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
natural is a superfluous word that could mean multiple things. genuine means specific and vetted.
ie: “Natural Flavors”
MisterD@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I need to watch that video. I saw the first post but haven’t caught up yet.
pyre@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
it’s just slacktivism no different than all the other facebook profile picture campaigns.
ronigami@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, it is objectively bad for life. Throwing away millions to billions of gallons of water all so you can get some dubious coding advice.
wischi@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Throwing away water? Does it escape into space. I completely understand the energy arguments but water?
ronigami@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It gets heated and then it’s unusable because the point of it is to cool things off. Some of it you can cool down and use again, by evaporation, but then you lose the amount that evaporated. When it goes back into the atmosphere it becomes polluted and you have to spend more energy cleaning it before it can be used by humans. Entropy always increases, the question is how fast you want it to increase.
RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
How people dare not like the automatic bullshit machine pushed down their troat…
Seriously, genrative AI acomplishment are :
- Making mass spam easier
- Burning the planet
- Making people lose their job and not even being a decent solution
- Make all search engine and information sources worse
- Creating an economic bubble that will fuckup the economy even harder
- Easing mass surveillance and weakening privacy everywhere
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
One could have said many of the same thigs about a lot of new technologies.
The Internet
Nuclear
Airplanes etc.Any new disruptive technology comes with drawbacks and can be used for evil.
But that doesn't mean it's all bad, or that it doesn't have its uses.
RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Give me one real world use that is worth the downside.
As dev I can already tell you it’s not coding or around code. Project get spamed with low quality nonsensical bug repport, ai generated code rarely work and doesn’t integrate well ( on top on pushing all the work on the reviewer wich is already the hardest part of coding ) and ai written documentation is ridled with errors and is not legible.
And even if ai was remotly good at something it still the equivalent of a microwave trying to replace the entire restaurant kitchen.
deur@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Absolutely brain dead to compare the probability engine “AI” with no fundamental use beyond marketed value with a wide variety of truly useful innovations that did not involve marketing in their design.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Of those, only the internet was turned loose on an unsuspecting public, and they had decades of the faucet slowly being opened, to prepare.
Can you imagine if after WW2, Werner Von Braun came to the USA and then just like… Gave every man woman and child a rocket, with no training? Good and evil wouldn’t even come into, it’d be chaos and destruction.
Imagine if every household got a nuclear reactor to power it, but none of the people in the household got any training in how to care for it.
It’s not a matter of good and evil, it’s a matter of harm.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes. AI can be used for spam, job cuts, and creepy surveillance, no argument there, but pretending it’s nothing more than a corporate scam machine is just lazy cynicism. This same “automatic BS” is helping discover life-saving drugs, diagnosing cancers earlier than some doctors, giving deaf people real-time conversations through instant transcription, translating entire languages on the fly, mapping wildfire and flood zones so first responders know exactly where to go, accelerating scientific breakthroughs from climate modeling to space exploration, and cutting out the kind of tedious grunt work that wastes millions of human hours a day. The problem isn’t that AI exists, it’s that a lot of powerful people use it selfishly and irresponsibly. Blaming the tech instead of demanding better governance is like blaming the printing press for bad propaganda.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
This same “automatic BS” is helping discover life-saving drugs, diagnosing cancers earlier than some doctors
Not the same kind of AI. At all. Generative AI vendors love this motte-and-bailey.
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Arent those different types of AI?
I dont think anyone hating AI is referring to the code that makes enemies move, or sort things into categories
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
We should ban computers since they are making mass surveillance easier. /s
RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
we should allow lead in paint its easier to use /s
You are deliberatly missing my point which is : gen AI as an enormous amount of downside and no real world use.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Its true. We can have a nuanced view. Im just so fucking sick of the paid off media hyping this shit, and normies thinking its the best thing ever when they know NOTHING about it. And the absolute blind trust and corpo worship make me physically ill.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Nuance is the thing.
Thinking AI is the devil, will kill your grandma and shit in your shoes is equally as dumb as thinking AI is the solution to any problem, will take over the world and become our overlord.
The truth is, like always, somewhere in between.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Whether intentional or not, this is gaslighting. “Here’s the trendy reaction those wacky lemmings are currently upvoting!”
Getting to the core issue, of course we’re sick of AI, and have a negative opinion of it! It’s being forced into every product, whether it makes sense or not. It’s literally taking developer jobs, then doing worse. It’s burning fossil fuels and VC money and then hallucinating nonsense, but still it’s being jammed down our throats when the vast memory of us see no use-case or benefit from it. But feel free to roll your eyes at those acknowledging the truth…
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
it’s literally making its users nuts, or exacerbating their existing mental illness. not hyperbole, according to psychologists. and this isn’t conjecture:
psychologytoday.com/…/can-ai-chatbots-worsen-psyc…
rollingstone.com/…/ai-spiritual-delusions-destroy…
futurism.com/openai-investor-chatgpt-mental-healt…
futurism.com/chatgpt-psychosis-antichrist-aliens
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10686326/
lavocedinewyork.com/…/when-the-machine-takes-over…
Zink@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
What is the gaslighting here? A trend, or the act of pointing out a trend, do not seem like gaslighting to me. At most it seems like bandwagon propaganda or the satire thereof.
For the second paragraph, I agree we (Lemmings) are all pretty against it and we can be echo-chambery about it. You know, like Linux!
But I would also DISagree that we (population of earth) are all against it.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Are you honestly claiming a shitpost is gaslighting?
What a world we live in.
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Lots of AI is technologically interesting and has tons of potential, but this kind of chatbot and image/video generation stuff we got now is just dumb.
MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I firmly believe we won’t get most of the interesting, “good” AI until after this current AI bubble bursts and goes down in flames. Once AI hardware is cheap interesting people will use it to make cool things. But right now, the big players in the space are drowning out anyone who might do real AI work that has potential by throwing more and more hardware and money at LLMs and generative AI models because they don’t understand the technology and see it as a way to get rich and powerful quickly.
Mostly_Roblox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I personally think of AI as a tool, what matters is how you use it. I like to think of it like a hammer. You could use a hammer to build a house, or you could smash someone’s skull in with it. But no one’s putting the hammer in jail.
oppy1984@lemdro.id 2 weeks ago
Seriously, the AI hate gets old fast. Like you said it’s a tool, gey over it people.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yeah, except it’s a tool that most people don’t know how to use but everyone can use, leading to environmental harm, a rapid loss of media literacy, and a huge increase in wealth inequality due to turmoil in the job market.
So… It’s not a good tool for the average layperson to be using.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
“Guns don’t kill people, people kill people”
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The reason most web forum posters hate AI is because AI is ruining web forums by polluting it with inauthentic garbage. Don’t be treating it like it’s some sort of irrational bandwagon.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
You’d also get a ton of upvotes for saying “Trump bad”, but you wouldn’t be wrong. Shit is just shit.
GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I don’t hate the concept as is, I hate how it is being marketed and shoved everywhere and into everything by sheer hype and the need for returns on the absurd amounts of money that were thrown at it.
Companies use it to justify layoffs, create cheap vibed up products, delegate responsibilities to am absolutely not computer program. Not even mentioning the colossal amount of natural and financial resources being thrown down this drain.
I read a great summary yesterday somewhere on here that essentially said “they took a type of computer model made to give answers to very specific questions it has been trained on, and then trained it on everything to make a generalist”. Except that doesn’t work, the broader the spectrum the model is covering the less accurate it will be.
Identifying skin cancer? Perfect tool for the job.
Giving drones the go ahead on an ambiguous target? Providing psychological care to people in distress? FUCK NO.
Brotha_Jaufrey@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not all AI is bad. But there’s enough widespread AI that’s helping cut jobs, spreading misinformation (or in some cases, actual propaganda), creating deepfakes, etc, that in many people’s eyes, it paints a bad picture of AI overall. I also don’t trust AI because it’s almost exclusively owned by far right billionaires.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
AI is bad and people who use it should feel bad.
MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Wow i’m sure this comment section is full of respectful and constructive discussion. Lemme go pop some popcorn.
Barrymore@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Lots of pro AI astroturfing and whataboutisms in these comments… 🤢
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah it is bad
It’s actually a real problem
CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It Is true thou, ai bad
EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Tetsuo@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
An AI could be demonstrably 30 times more accurate than a human in diagnosing a cancer on a scan Lemmy would still shit on it because it’s an IA :D.
On Reddit I knew that the subject of gun control was not allowed to be talked about. Now I embraced Lemmy and I can’t talk no matter what about AI. It’s just a taboo subject. Apparently some people want to reject the tech entirely and think it will somehow just magically stay out of their lives. A very naive dream.
So yeah Lemmy. Refuse the conversation, look away, I’m sure it will be fine.
razorcandy@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
There are valid reasons for disliking AI (rather, how it’s being used) and I’ll upvote when a relevant, informed argument is made against it. Otherwise I’ll mentally filter out the low-effort comments that just say “fuck AI” with dozens of upvotes.
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’m sure AI would be great if we actually had it. LLMs are not AI.
_cnt0@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’d welcome actual AI. What is peddled everyday as “AI” is just marketing bullshit. There’s no intelligence in it. Language shapes perception and we should take those words back and use them according to their original and inherent meaning. LLMs are not AI. Stable diffusion is not AI. Neural networks trained for a singular task are not AI.
Mika@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
lemmycirclejerk ☺️
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I find it very funny how just a mere mention of the two letters A and I will cause some people to seethe and fume, and go on rants about how much they hate AI, like a conservative upon seeing the word “pronouns.”
commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
B-But you don’t understand, AI DESTROYS le epic self employed artists and their bottom line! Art is a sacred thing that we all do for fun and not for work, therefore AI that automates the process is EVIL!
- Actual thought process of some people
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Yes, any further questions?
BroBot9000@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Do you really need to have a list of why people are sick of LLM and Ai slop?
Ai is literally making people dumber:
microsoft.com/…/lee_2025_ai_critical_thinking_sur…
www.theregister.com/…/is_ai_changing_our_brains/
They are a massive privacy risk:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyH7zoP-JOg&t=3015s
theconversation.com/ai-tools-collect-and-store-da…
Are being used to push fascist ideologies into every aspect of the internet:
…org.uk/…/ai-the-new-aesthetics-of-fascism/
And they are a massive environmental disaster:
news.mit.edu/…/explained-generative-ai-environmen…
forbes.com/…/ai-is-accelerating-the-loss-of-our-s…
Stop being a corporate apologist and stop wreaking the environment with this shit technology.
AnonomousWolf@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you ever take a flight for holiday, or even drive long distance and cry about AI being bad for the environment then you’re a hypocrite.
Same goes for if you eat beef, or having a really powerful gaming rig that you use a lot.
BroBot9000@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ahh so are you going to acknowledge the privacy invasion and brain rotting cause by Ai or are you just going to focus on dismissing the environmental concerns? Cause I liked more than just the environmental impacts.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Texas has just asked residents to take less showers while datacenters made specifically for LLM training continue operating.
This is more like feeling bad for not using a paper straw while local factory dumps all their oil change into the community river.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
You’re getting downvoted for speaking the truth to an echo chamber my guy.
Sl00k@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
This echo chamber isn’t ready for this logical discussion yet unfortunately lol
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hypocrisy can be called the primitive nature of man who chooses what is easier because he is designed that way. Human is like a cancerous tumor for the planet.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
With the number of times that refrain is regurgitated here ad nauseum, need is an odd way to put it. Sick of it might fit sentiments better. Done with this & not giving a shit is another.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Evil must be fought as long as it exists.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And books destroyed everyone’s memory. People used to have fantastic memories.
No different than the rest of cloud tech. Run your AI local like your other self hosting.
Hitler used radio to push fascism into every home. It’s not the medium, it’s the message.
AI uses a GPU just like gaming uses a GPU. Building a new AI model uses the same energy that Rockstar spent developing GTA5. But it’s easier to point at a centralized data center polluting the environment than thousands of game developers spread across multiple offices creating even more pollution.
Run your own AI! Complaining about “corporate AI” is like complaining about corporate email. Host it yourself.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh sure, let me just pull a couple billion out of the couch cushions to spin up a data center in the middle of the desert.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Lol I didn’t know that the anarchists over at lemmy.dbzer0.com are being corporate apologists. /sarcasm
oatscoop@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Weird … It looks like I can sign up for an account on dbzer0 even though I’m not actually an anarchist.
Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Gish gallop
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re repeating debunked claims that are being pushed by tech giants to lobby for laws to monopolize AI control.
I’d rather read AI crap than this idiocy.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 2 weeks ago
Everything can be used for that. If anything, I believe AI models are too restricted and tend not to argue on controversial subjects, which prevents you from learning anything. Censorship sucks
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 2 weeks ago
I would not say “can potentially lead to long-term overreliance on the tool and diminished skill for independent problem-solving” equals to “literally making people dumber”. A sample size of 319 isn’t really representative anyways, and they mainly had a sample of a specific type of people. People switch from searching to verifying, which doesn’t sound too bad if done correctly. They associate critical thinking with verifying everything (“Higher confidence in GenAI’s ability to perform a task is related to less critical thinking effort”), not sure I agree on this.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We don’t need a collection of random ‘AI bad’ articles because your entire premise is flawed.
In general, people are not ‘sick of LLM and Ai slop’. Real people, who are not chronically online, have fairly positive views of AI and public sentiment about AI is actually becoming more positive over time.
Here is Stanford’s report on the public opinion regarding AI (hai.stanford.edu/ai-index/…/public-opinion).
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My dude, it sounds like you need to go out into the environment a bit more.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
god forbid you have evidence to support your premise. huh.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
oh you have a spare ecosystem in the closet for when this one is entirely fucked huh? npr.org/…/elon-musk-ai-xai-supercomputer-memphis-…
stop acting like it’s a rumor. the problem is real, it’s already here, they’re already crashing to build the data centers - so what, we can get taylor swift grok porn?
That’s stanford graph is based on queries from 2022 and 2023 - it’s 2025 here in reality. Wake up. Times change.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 2 weeks ago
I do agree on this, but at this point everyone uses instagram, snapchat, discord and whatever to share their DMs which are probably being sniffed by the NSA
AnonomousWolf@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
…substack.com/…/a-cheat-sheet-for-conversations-a…
BroBot9000@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not clicking on a substack link. Fucking Nazi promoting shit website
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This can be called not a technology, but a weapon for killing in my opinion.