wischi
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- Comment on Don't fix the problem just change the parameters 1 week ago:
Exactly. And that’s also true for young children. Reading digital clocks is exactly that… reading. It doesn’t mean you understand what it means or how to interpret it. Analog clocks however are a great tool at actually get a feeling for time.
I think the biggest issue judging by the comment section is that most Americans (at least it seems that way) are almost never exposed to analog clocks.
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You are right, nothing to argue against here. What I’m arguing against is just that digital clocks are somehow the successor of analog clock, which they are not. There is a digital clocks are now everywhere and that’s mainly cost. It’s far cheaper to add a digital clock (sometimes just software because the hardware had a (segmented) display anyway). Nobody would add an analog clock to a microwave, because why would you. But because you need the display anyway to show the remaining time, why not show the actual time when there is nothing in it.
The other thing I’m arguing against is the claim that digital clocks are easier to read. That’s just wrong. Assuming you have roughly the same amount of exposure to both types of clocks. Children about 3-5 have no problem understanding analog clocks (just focus their attention to the hour hand at first) but I have yet to see three/four year old kids reading and understanding digital clocks. Digital clocks are more like actual reading and you need a pretty solid understanding of time already to interpret what you read. An analog clock on the other side doesn’t assume you know how long an hour is, quite the contrary, it helps children develop a feeling for how long minutes and hours are.
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Your fact check doesn’t say it’s fake. Even the “mostly false” mentioned in the fact check is a bit of a stretch if you read the “what’s true” section.
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pneumatic silverware
🤣 awesome. I’d love to see that. Reminds me of a video where a guy tried to eat corncob by mounting it on a drill. IIRC he lot some teeth doing that “stunt”.
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But calling the fact that time passed and we will reach another equinox at some point is like saying that “progression of time towards 5:43 pm” is a thing just because time always tends towards 5:43 and one we pass it, we use the next 5:43 as a target.
I develop calendar systems in my spare time and you should take a look at the leap year rule of SAC13, it takes the precession of the equinoxes into account.
The things you just said are just words thrown together - and again - just because you can’t admit that you heard precession of the equinoxes in the past and misremembered it.
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“Old technology” like, hammers, spoons and books 🤣 Let’s get rid of the wheel. That crap was invented ages ago.
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To be fair if you are never exposed to it (and judging by the comments that seems to have happened in the US) you can’t tell the time by “just looking at it”. But analog clocks are objectively simpler to teach to children (let’s say three to eight years old).
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You can’t just make stuff up and then say “it’s just a description”. It looks like you just remembered precession of the equinoxes wrong and doubled down once somebody called you out on it?
If it’s a description of something, what does “progression of the equinoxes” describe? Astronomically it’s complete gibberish, so I’m not sure what it’s describing.
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Do you have a link or something that explains “progression towards the equinoxes”. I never heard of that and can’t find anything about it.
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Probably because it doesn’t look much like AI. At least today. In a few years we probably won’t have to ask that question because they would be practically indistinguishable.
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The part in the middle is a screenshot of some social media site and the blacked out parts are navigation bread crums, comment counts. The answer below has a blacked out user name, profile picture, etc.
I have no idea why they would remove UI elements from a screenshot.
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What is progression towards the equinoxes? You mean progression of the equinoxes? That takes millennia and is very much negligible when reading sun dials on a day to day basis, or even year to year basis.
The orbital motions of the objects in our solar system is pretty messy and you are right that there goes more into designing accurate sun dials than just a stick in the ground, but I’d still argue that that’s not part of “reading a sun dial” - which was the question I answered.
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It’s about how far the hand moves in a given time. On a normal 12h circle analog clock the hand moves 30° per hour. On a 24h analog clock that’s halfed to 15° per hour.
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You can teach three year olds to read analog clocks (see my other post) but I’ve yet so see three year olds reading and understanding digital clocks. I get the feeling in this thread that everybody that has issues with analog clocks os from the US and that might come from the fact that the US (at least it seems based on this thread) has almost no exposure to analog clocks.
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Analog clocks are mechanical imitations of sun dials. Ever wondered why clockwise is the way it is? It’s because the sun moved that way (on the historically a bit more dominant northern hemisphere)
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Why/How are analog clocks annoying?
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24h analog clocks exist but they are pretty useless because you lose angular resolution. So unless you are a vampire that’s up 24/7 a 12 hour wall clock has better angular resolution than a clock with 33% wasted area you’ll never use/see because you are asleep
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Analog clocks imitate sun dials and of you have amazing eye sight/precision you would only need the hour handle. If the handle is exactly on 3, it’s 3 o’clock. If the handle is exactly in the middle between 3 and 4 it’s half past 3. If the handle is 4° after 5 it’s 04:08. But because our eye sight doesn’t have super resolution we just add another handle that makes a full circle when the hour handle moves an hour. And same with seconds. Second handle makes a full circle for 1 minute.
Back to birthdays - you can do that on the other direction as well but I wouldn’t call it a clock, it’s a circular calendar. Think about a disk (like a wall clock with only one handle) and seven equal segments. The days of the week, every morning we move the handle to the next day. Another disk with 31 segments (day of the month) and another separate disk with 12 segments. We typically move that one on the first of the month to the next step.
Now of we discuss events I can point to a segment and even though she is a young kid she immediately gets the scale of things because of something happens in a few hours (let’s say she is meeting a friend) I show it to her on the normal analog clock with focus on the hour handle. But if she ask about Christmas I point on the “month” dial and she knows that it takes a very long time for that handle to move.
Typical analog clocks have all the handles on the same disk (for convenience and because it’s compact). Our “child-clock” started originally as an normal analog clock with only the hour handle and is now a normal analog clock with hour and minute handle and three more separate disks for day of the week, day of the month and month of the year.
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I hope you are not serious. If the shadow (handle) is on two, it’s two o’clock. If it’s on three, it’s three o’clock. If it’s exactly between those two ticks it’s half past two. There isn’t even anything to learn (at least when they were invented). That’s exactly how the hour handle on a clock works.
(Note: Today it would be a bit more complicated if you want wall-clock-time because the sun dial always tells local solar time and if you want the time in your time zone you would have to adjust for DST and use the equation of time for some smaller corrections)
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Are you from the US? I’m completely amazed that there are counties we you are almost never exposed to analog clocks. I’m from Europe and analog clocks are everywhere. Every train station, public buildings, churches, clock towers, homes, wrist watches. Heck we even have tons of (but more because of esthetics instead of serious time keeping) sun dials on walls (which the analog clock and the clock wise direction is based on - for the north hemisphere). Many appliances/devices have digital clocks but that’s not because the are more modern/better but because they are way cheaper to produce and have less moving parts.
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Analog clocks are dated? Let’s get rid of books because we have kindles. Just something was invented a very long time ago doesn’t make it obsolete by any means. Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers? Those things are really somewhat dated.
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My daughter got analog clocks before she could read when she was about threw. IMHO it’s a teaching skill issue. Take a normal wall clock, remove all hands except the hour hand, split the day into segments (brushing teeth, lunch, Kindergarten, etc.) and draw (did that in Gimp) some nice symbols and colors. Done. Explain stuff every time she asks “when” using that wall clock. Let that sink in for a year. Now add the minute hand back in.
Analog clocks are not really “obsolete” if you ask me. Hands on a circle aren’t used enough. We have “clocks” (this time inverted - the circle spins and the hand/indicator is fixed) out of cardboards for a week to learn the days of the week, including “activity” symbols for kindergarten, “weekend”, “music lesson”, etc. a wheel for “day of the month”, and one for month of the year also showing seasons.
The total amount of time that was invested in building those was about three or four hours but the value is huge when you have something to point to when she asks anything about time no matter it’s about when we go to sleep, birthdays, holidays, etc.
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There is not “brain transplant”. That’s called “full body transplant” IMO.
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Newton believed in god, so there obviously were things he accepted with practically no evidence whatsoever 🙊
- Comment on Cable management is an art form 1 month ago:
Is it though? There isn’t one part in the human body that has exactly one specific purpose. Everything is something mushy with basically one main purpose and a ton of side-quests. Almost the exact opposite of what engineers prefer.
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Intelligent design. Same with our eyes 🤣 just put them in backwards and thread the cables through the retina; genius. Octopuses are clearly gods chosen “people”.
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American dream. He is a business owner.
- Comment on Ding ding ditch is punishable by death apparently 2 months ago:
Remember folks, armed minorities are harder to oppress
That’s why we hear of all those cases were ICE agents are shot by the people they bully. Oh wait… we don’t.
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Have you recently watched the news? Looks like it’s not working.
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In understand why we need to armed;
I don’t. Why?