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Recession indicator, what do you call this dish?

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  • yesman@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hamburger helper is bullshit. They give you some dry noodles and a “spice” pack of dubious powder, you have to provide the beef and milk. That’s not helping very much.

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    • SailorFuzz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      for real, and it’s not even enough noodles. So you end up adding more noodles too… at that point you’re paying for a box with some “spice” in it.

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      • gastroglizzy@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        But by the time you add enough beef and noodles to it, there’s not enough spice and it’s all bland. So you gotta add extra spice. May as well just cook.

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      • the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thats why I make 2 of them.

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    • switcheroo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For me, it’s just too salty.

      Grab some mac n cheese and put some hotdogs in it. If you are wealthy*, you can add ground beef instead and toss in some green chilies and some Italian seasoning. (It’s really good. Go ham on the seasoning.)

      • ground beef is freaking expensive nowadays 😩
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    • wizzor@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How… Does this help in making a hamburger? I have never had a noodleburger, are they good?

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      • kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        i think the intent is if you have meat for hamburger it helps stretch it into more meals

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      • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not for a hamburger. It’s basically to make a noodle and burger meal.

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      • A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think the “helper” might have more of a “helping” meaning, as in a helping of hamburger.

        Although idk if a noodle burger would be all that bad with the right kind of bread

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  • Murse@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Happy to say I’m past the piss-broke stage of life, but I’ll never forget how much is sucks. One of the really shitty things about it is all the products marketed toward selling us a ‘cheap’ meal, and we buy it because you don’t question it: it’s poverty food, right? Must be among the cheapest options in the store, right?

    Then you start pricing stuff out by things like cost-per-gram and realize you’re getting ripped off. To answer OPs question, I’d call that dish: predatory, bc it’s an up-charged box of ingredients that you can buy separately in probably that same aisle for much cheaper.

    For anyone reading this who is stuck in that hell, first off: /hug. Second, the real poverty food MVP is rice. I don’t recall the price off the top of my head, and even if I did I’m sure it’s inflated since I was a frequent buyer, but look for “fortified short grain” which is usually the least expensive and is ‘fortified’ with some extra nutrients to get something other than carbs. Buy it in bulk - you can get it in 50lb bags at places like Costco (if you don’t have a membership, mooch a ride there off someone who does, they can get you through the door/checkout) or Asian/Middle Eastern grocery stores. Price it out to what you’re paying for the amount used in a single meal, and it’s like a literal nickel.

    Rice makes for a boring meal by itself, but it’ll fill you up. Your second best friend is the clearance shelf. Pretty much any meat or veggie can go with rice. You’d be surprised how well other shit work with rice too… I recall having a single slice of shitty supreme pizza in the fridge; not enough for a satisfying meal, but, fuck it, whipped up a serving of rice, chopped up the slice of pizza crust and all, and threw it in when the rice was just about soft enough to eat and kinda stir fried it in. The oils from the cheese and sausage all got soaked up by the rice… end result wasn’t amazing by any stretch, but it was away more satisfying than a single slice of pizza or bowl of plain rice, tasted decent, costed pennies.

    Pro tip: buy some snack-sized ziplock bags, measure out what you need for a serving, portion it into a ton of individual bags, and keep those in a sealed 5-gallon buckets. There’s a type of beetle that lays its eggs in rice, and it may not hatch until after you’ve bought it. Then they propagate, and there are tiny beetles all over the batch… and losing the better part of a 50lb bag to those fuckers is pretty heart breaking. If you portion it out first, and then it hatches, you lose a single-portion ziplock full. No biggie. Also keep the empty ziplocks and reuse them for the next big bag of rice.

    Also get a cheap rice cooker as soon as you can afford it - a pot works fine, but a rice cooker will get you much more consistent results for much less effort.

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    • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Add some beans and spices to that rice for an almost nutrient complete meal that can taste pretty damned good.

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      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        ^ Beans FTW.

        Dress it up with hot sauce if you can find it.

        Getting slightly off the path of “cheap”…

        If you have a grocery nearby that sells cheap goods from south of the border, grab some plantains. Wait until they’re good and dark, peel, cut them in half lengthwise and then in abbut 2” pieces and fry them. Making me hungry just thinking about it. Sofrito for the rice.

        One of my favorite cheap meals.

        (USD) Sofrito jar 2.99 25 lb bag of rice 13.50 (~55 cups of rice, 25¢ a cup) 1 lb beans, pinto 1.19, black 1.59 (2 cups/bag, 60¢ cup) Hot sauce 1.19 Plantains 65¢ each.

        Rice and beans, decent serving, 1 cup cooked each makes a good amount, 85¢. Assuming some salt is already available to cook the rice with.

        So adding a cup of sofrito, a dash of hot sauce, and cooking up a plantain will add a little over $2 to the total, make it $3 for the whole meal.

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      • Nouvellalia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If I had one trillion dollars I would still eat red bean and rice, often

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    • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pro tip: buy some snack-sized ziplock bags, measure out what you need for a serving, portion it into a ton of individual bags, and keep those in a sealed 5-gallon buckets. There’s a type of beetle that lays its eggs in rice, and it may not hatch until after you’ve bought it. Then they propagate, and there are tiny beetles all over the batch… and losing the better part of a 50lb bag to those fuckers is pretty heart breaking. If you portion it out first, and then it hatches, you lose a single-portion ziplock full. No biggie. Also keep the empty ziplocks and reuse them for the next big bag of rice.

      Do this, but also Freeze 'em.

      The beetles you’re talking about are common in pretty much every grain. Freezing kills the beetles, the larvae, and the eggs. I’d suggest gallon-sized freezer bags rather than snack sized. If you don’t need the space for anything else, just store the bags in the freezer. If you do need the space, freeze the bags for a week, then move them to the buckets.

      Same trick works for flour, oats, etc. Any grains you bring home should go straight into the freezer for a week before you move them to the pantry.

      An additional benefit: Freezers are most efficient when they are kept completely full. The thermal mass and insulation of 50lbs of rice and/or other grains will keep your perishables frozen for days during a power outage.

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    • Nollij@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not to derail your point, but rice can be especially bad for people (myself included) where carbs (esp. white rice) make you hungry. If you’re one of those people where Chinese food makes you hungry an hour later, it’s usually because your insulin spikes in response to the rice.

      For those people, obviously try to avoid white rice (and flour, sugar, and potatoes). Brown rice usually includes the fiber on the outside (which gets stripped away for processed white rice) which at least slows the carb rush.

      Fresh or even frozen, unprocessed veggies that you have to cook yourself are still remarkably cheap, even in this economy. A pan of random chopped veggies and some random seasonings from the spice aisle (no blends!) can easily get you a filling and nutritious meal, and still cheaper than a box of hamburger helper.

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      • Murse@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh, 100% this is unhealthy as fuck. I gained a ton of weight when I was piss broke cuz all I could afford was rice - exceptions were a treat. When your that tight on cash though, you start to prioritize it over pretty much everything else, including your own body.

        Spending any more on food would have required cutting into something critical like rent - I never did have to deal with homelessness, but boy did I toe that line.

        In any case, this is desperation diet - hopefully for a very short term leading up to having the means to live a healthier lifestyle.

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      • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The catch for brown rice is it’s one of the few whole grains that turn rancid fairly quickly. Don’t buy 50 pounds unless you can subdivide it into vacuum sealed bags with oxygen absorbers, lest you end up with 48 pounds of rancid rice.

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      • IamtheMorgz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Can you do the thing where you make the starch resistant rice? Cooking rice then cooling it lowers the GI, from what I understand.

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    • exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      it’s an up-charged box of ingredients that you can buy separately in probably that same aisle for much cheaper.

      Yeah, this product is an awful choice for the budget conscious.

      Pasta is like $1.20/lb. There are many different ways to dress up pasta with other ingredients, whether saucy or cheesy or creamy or oily or even relatively dry seasoning. You can add a cheap protein source. You can add vegetables. In many forms, pasta is still a one-pan dish that can be made in about 20 minutes, where you prep ingredients as the water boils. Or you can put in a lot of effort (all-day sauces, hand-pounded pesto, etc.).

      My favorite low effort, cheap and nutritionally complete meal is boiling a package of pasta, dumping in a can of beans, dumping in a can of premade chili, and shredding a bunch of cheddar over it. The macros are good, even for athletes, it’s cheap, and it’s easy.

      As you mention, rice is between $1 to $2 per pound, based on quantity and type. There are a ton of options around that, too.

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    • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Note, the wild or brown rice has more nutrients, because the shell was not removed to make the less nutritious sticky rice.

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  • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Give yourself so much hypertension that the inevitable heart attack is so quick you won’t need to worry about paying medical bills

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    • shartgargle@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Now you’re speaking my language!

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  • wittymcusername@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Some of y’all never had Helper and it shows.

    “Want to eat at my house? My mom’s making Helper.”

    “You mean like Hamburger Helper?”

    “Yeah but without the hamburger.”

    Being too poor to afford hamburger is not exactly a new condition.

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    • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hamburger Helper without the Hamburger still slaps.

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    with real cheese

    Yeah, I don’t believe that an just the fact you have to say it makes me suspicious.

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    • DrSoap@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You add the real cheese in yourself

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    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Actually (mostly) edible!”

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    • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Depending where this is taken, in Canada most of our “cheese powder” is literally cheddar cheese grated extremely fine and dehydrated. So it’s literally real cheese, and not some test tube product.

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    • Polyphilic@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The brand is called Real Cheese and does not guarantee detectable cheese levels in their cheddar flavored blocks

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  • SolacefromSilence@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is cooking with training wheels and I'm not gonna shit on it.

    I hear the comments that you need to add noodles, add more spice... you know that because you started here too. I'm glad this exists to open the door to cooking for yourself, but if you know better, do better.

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    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you need to add meat, noodles and spice than… what is it? Just bunch of preservatives and artificial food dyes so that American bodies can absorb it without going into shock?

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      • SolacefromSilence@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I don't see any lie. It's a salty, bland, and expensive version of this... https://www.allrecipes.com/homemade-hamburger-helper-recipe-8550449

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    • BigDiction@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My wife started adding sliced grilled hot dogs to Annie’s Mac n Cheese and it goes pretty hard

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  • the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We did this all the time when I was a kid, my dad would make macaroni and cheese and toss in some hot dogs. It was delicious then and its delicious now.

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    • shartgargle@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hell I still do it, ESPECIALLY when the kid isn’t around. Finally, I get the whole pot!

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      • adarza@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        who knew those boxes were actually a single serving?

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  • Malica@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think this was designed with poverty in mind in the first place

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    • protist@retrofed.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I genuinely think these were designed and marketed as time savers. My family never had any issues affording food, and my mother wouldn’t hesitate to make something like this for us. She’s pretty susceptible to commercials, also…

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      • General_Shenanigans@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I agree. These are just SO EASY to make a decent amount of food with minimum effort in very little time. Poverty? Maybe. Absolutely exhausted parents with no time nor energy to cook a more traditional wholesome meal? Absolutely. BOOM, family fed. Time to go to bed.

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      • Malica@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Could be

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    • urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, when it launched in 1970beef prices were skyrocketing and the economy was weaker. It was intended to “help” stretch a pound of ground beef to feed a family of five , and only take a single pan to cook

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The real recession indicator is when they swap Hamburger Helper for Tuna Helper.

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    • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nothing can help canned tuna.

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      • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Mayonnaise says “hi.”

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      • erev@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        canned tuna with some rice and saltines is great

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      • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        tuna, mayo, mustard, onion, celery, salt, tomato

        mix any and all in whatever portions please you. you can get great flavour and texture

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  • fonji@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Money aside, beef has a horrible environmental impact. Pork (as found in hot dogs) is way better.

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    • kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, I think the total land used for cattle equals the entire landmass of north america too.

      I love beef, I love hamburgers, but it’s pretty clearly unsustainable.

      I suspect beef prices are only going to go up and they’ll never come down ever again.

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      • otterpops@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        this can’t be true

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    • _stranger_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why is it “pig meat” instead of pork?! That seems suspiciously hot dog specific…

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    • adjectivenoun@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Is this one of those, “if farmers gave their cows kelp tablets once per day to reduce methane farts, it would reduce it by 50%” deals? I find it hard to believe raising cattle produces more GHG emissions than a similar weight pig.

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      • RidderSport@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It is the special kind of metabolism of cows that causes their high emission of methane

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    • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I heard that ground beef isnt all that bad. Considering people eat tons og steaks etc. ground beef is literally jusg leftovers after all the good stuff.

      If you have to eat meat, eat ground beef instead of cuts.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I call this the dinner I most often had as a kid.

    Uh yeah we were poor.

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    • switcheroo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Look at Mr Money Bags over here actually getting dinner…

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    • renrenPDX@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That and Bean n Weenies

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      • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Dude I can afford steak and chickens but nothing slays as much as beans and weenies.

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    • Gormadt@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Store brand Mac and Cheese was also slotted in pretty often too

      Both with the cheapest hotdogs money could buy

      Those cheap hot dogs got a special place in my heart to this day

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    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      my dad LOVED this stuff… rest of the family would fend for themselves. I’d rather have SOS or cereal tbh

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  • blackshirt@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What the hell is this? are you supposed to eat that?

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    • blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      People will probably look forward to eating that shite

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      • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I can afford steak and chicken every night, and I still love me some Helper.

        Don’t yuk someone else’s yum. Enjoy your kale or whatever dog shit you enjoy.

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  • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hot Dog Self-Harm Assistant

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    • brownsugga@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Brilliant

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  • overkrill@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    hotburger doggler

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    • shartgargle@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Damn, that’s a good porn name.

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  • answersplease77@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This shit taste good. I once microwaved and ate this on a plate. My ex looked at me and said that I eat puke like dog. I didn’t flinch I was happy and kept eating it like a dog eating puke indeed

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  • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Use Hot Dogs instead of Hamburger in Hamburger fucking Helper?

    I think it means we are great again?

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  • thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cheesey weiner helper

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  • Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We don’t have this product in my country so I call this cheap looking food for people who can’t cook.

    But money is tight all around, so if this is all you can afford, I hope things get better for you soon…

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  • SabinStargem@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Pain.

    The Hamburger Helper brand sucks. Buy the store brand version. I personally enjoy the “Lasgana Skillet Meal”. Has more flavor than HH, and a bit cheaper too.

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  • Sibshops@feddit.cl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How do you say your old without saying you are old. Complaining about hamburger helper.

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  • tatterdemalion@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This shit will raise your cholesterol like nothing else.

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  • myyass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    T-rumps in a blanket.

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  • ccunix@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I call that “American”

    I’ll be honest, I’m not sure I can classify it as food

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  • WiseScorpio@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Try it with Ramen instead of hot dogs for even cheaper calories /s

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  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Try with dog food!

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  • dektep@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    American food is insane

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  • Polisheocket@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I call it my childhood

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  • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    A waste of money.

    Box of elbow macaroni, 1/4 block of velvita and a single hot dog is WAY less than that box

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • neuromorph@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    its called the FDA has failed the consumer. No faith that beef supplies are safe.

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