This was a whole plot point of season one of The Boys in which Vought International forces Starlight to wear a skimpier costume (this after she was already sexually assaulted by The Deep).
Reality imitates art, I guess.
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uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
4grams@awful.systems 1 month ago
I mean, the boys was meant as biting social commentary so not sure where we are in the cart/horse equation here.
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
That guy’s stuff is always really on the nose. Watch ‘preacher’, his previous adapted-for-tv work. Its about American Christianity, conservative politics, and their conspiracies.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I read the Preacher comic and… I gotta say, it falls off fast after the first couple of chapters. The mature-ish grotesquerie made to deliver context early on devolves into pure juvenille banging-my-action-figures-together by the end.
Eugenics Jesus was a pretty good gag about american myth and Nazi racial mythology.
I enjoyed “What if the Catholic Church tried to Hapsburg Family the Desposyni” as a concept. The execution was crass and fell flat. They could have had a legitimately interesting story arc introducing a severely disabled Jesus descendant capable of the odd miracle who the straight white male able-bodied main character could engage with. But it was more fun to make poop jokes and then splatter them in the punchline panel.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s nutpicking, to a degree. The odds of finding someone who wants to fuck the cartoons approaches 1.0 lightning fast on the internet. I’m less disgusted with the guy whining about an uninspiring upskirt shot (literally, why even shoot that frame? You could just not point the camera there!) I’m more disgusted with the AI Slop in the first panel, where they’ve replaced Kara Zor-El’s legs with the Hulk’s for some reason.
TwistedTurtle@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Sex is too important to be cordoned off to just porn.
Not saying this guy in particular is right, but I hate this attitude that “porn exists so we shouldn’t have sex, or nudity, or anything horny in other art forms”. We shouldn’t treat people like creeps just because they like/want horny art. Personally, I’d love to see more horniness and sexuality in our art.
Personally, I find the current cinema trend of “everyone is beautiful, but no one is horny” far creepier than the rampant sexualization in old 80s movies.
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Maybe don’t sexualize the character that, at least in part, is aimed at teenage girls.
TwistedTurtle@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
See, that’s an example of a much better argument than “porn exists, stop being a creep”.
whereitsat@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
the actress is probably 35, who cares who the character is aimed at. it’s normal for men to see an attractive woman and be like ‘wow she’s attractive.’
you’re pathologizing normal thinking and probably feeling incredibly satisfied with your lame response because you used the word ‘teenage’ and nobody would dare to cross swords.
grow up.
whereitsat@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
why is her outfit ‘sexualizing’ anyway?
even if her outfit didn’t suggest ‘panties’ it’d still be sexy because it accentuates her form.
blarghly@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So we aren’t allowed to sexualize Orlando Bloom anymore, then?
modus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Unless you your thing is teenage girls. Then it’s ok. /s
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Afaict, nobody is making the argument that you’re refuting.
There is art that is elevated by being horny and art that is made worse by it. Being horny doesn’t fit this character, and isn’t relevant to the story being told, so it seems like a bad fit. Being a bad fit, the only people this would benefit are creeps who want upskirt shots of whoever, and I don’t think that’s a demographic to cater to at the sacrifice of the more vulnerable demographics that this film is targeting.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
The cut of the leotard is way too much. But a leotard still makes fine sense for a super hero who’s doing athletic acrobatics.
If anything the cape is the stupidest part of the outfit.
whereitsat@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
porn in america is hyper-aggressive and focused on penetration. there’s no eroticism to it. it’s crass and disgusting.
there’s something to putting on a 90s skinemax film wand seeing hot milfs wearing sexy, satin nighties tenderly riding men on a real bed in a real bedroom, instead of watching giant, unearthly cocks penetrating gaping vaginas in extreme close-up.
what a boneheaded take out of the OP.
there’s a HUGE difference between what porn is selling and what turns you on.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
porn in america is hyper-aggressive and focused on penetration. there’s no eroticism to it. it’s crass and disgusting.
Truuue.
what a boneheaded take out of the OP.
Well, the guy they’re talking to is almost certainly a Sargon of Akkad-lite who is upset that feminism is ruining his disney movies. I would tell him to go watch porn too, but that’s because I like zingers.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s one of the things I didn’t like about gal gadisreal’s version of Wonder woman. Her whole costume is half a step above a bikini with how skimpy it is.
elephantium@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Err…this is Wonder Woman you’re discussing, right? A skimpy costume is completely on-brand for the original.
blarghly@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Hey now - bikinis arent sexual. Only the male gaze makes them so
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Left hand image doesn’t even look like her usual costume so where tf did he get that idea from
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 month ago
There’s probably something from the 90s/early 00s with her dressed like that. Comics were really ramping it up for a while there. Not that teenager me was complaining.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Why is the word porn censored?
cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because we normalized self-censorship to make it more palatable to everyone. Which is stupid.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Its called algospeak and it’s one of the most retarded fucking things ever.
Its the first time I’ve ever thought that the children are infact doomed and retarded.
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
‘Everyone’ being violent prudes who worship at rge altars of Comstock and McCarthy.
People who work in industries like porn, people whose existence is often censored, and people who identify/sympathize with obscenity because their existence is regarded as obscenity do not count. Fuck them. They’re all trash.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because most of the people on Lemmy are refugees from reddit and nowadays on reddit, if you are not a porn focused sub then they require you to censor every damn thing or face getting banned from that particular subreddit, getting banned from several subreddits depending on who’s modding and how many subs they are modding and how fucking stupid their bots happen to be, or getting banned from the entire site by the admins on their particular whim for that day/week.
spazzman6156@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Someone else already answered the why. What I think the best reaction is when you see this kind of bullshit censorship is just down vote it.
qarbone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is my exact stance. I want my porn separate from my non-porn.
People that just have badonkulous jiggle physics blasting while they play a normal game baffle me.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I’m like this about food.
I like my candy and food to be separate. All this candy-masquerading-as-food, like sweetened yogurt and cranberry sauce, can get bent.
silasmariner@programming.dev 1 month ago
If your cranberry sauce is that sweet it has too much sugar in it. It should be sharp and sexy, not sweet and not-as-sexy-yet-more-conventially-appealing
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I get you but also I feel like this is an unrealized pushback to just how sanitized a lot of mainstream culture has become. I feel like a lot of media up until about the 2010s give or take had a lot of sexual elements without being porn outright and while not necessarily being porn, it really does feel like a weird bit of cultural puritanism especially given how hot a lot of actors are.
In summary a lot of things are hot but basically nothing is sexy and it’s weird.
qarbone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My issue with “porn in nonporn” is it almost always feels objectifying. Like the gooner Supergirl in the OP image: if her character liked the look of a battlethong and owned it, then that’s fine. It might even factor into the story. But if she just looks like that and acts like things are normal, then it’s like she is being sexed up solely for some nondiegetic viewer. It gives me the same sort of voyeuristic ick as invisible people peeping in locker rooms or perverts abusing X-Ray glasses.
I don’t mind Skinemax; like softcore porn is fine. Because everyone understands the assignment.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 month ago
It is bloody irritating when there’s anime boobies in my face, while trying to loot my enemies for every resource they have.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You know, in ancient Greece super man and women were nude.
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 1 month ago
Tell me more…
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 month ago
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Just read the Princess of Mars (or John Carter of Mars depending on how you wanna look at it) series by Edgar Rice Borroughs. Literally everyone is naked and doing crazy superhuman shit.
wpb@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What we want: henry cavill in the exact outfit on the left What we got: henry cavill in the normal superman outfit
Not pictured: an AI rendering of the above, because do we really need to spend resources on that?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
May I have Henry Cavilll in the outfit on right too?
Karjalan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Yes, we must acceleray the atmospheric cooking of the planet to make an uncanny valley rendition of a meme we have already clearly explained with words that maybe a dozen people will see and exhale out their nose breifly at” - too many people, for some reason
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I mean, I’m as much of a gooner as the next guy but if you don’t think the one on the right is hot that’s a you problem.
justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
yeah, the left one looks terrible
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Absolute loser behavior.
StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s not even a horny thing, but the one on the left is just too distracting. I’d be staring at it the whole time just trying to figure out why Supergirl made that choice.
Her thighs would be cold the whole time. Any major combat movement is going to make her bits show. It looks like she literally cut her shorts into that shape.
Like… I like attractive women too, but come on, guys. There’s no way in hell she’d wear her costume like that. I wouldn’t even be able to enjoy it in the toxic male-gaze way. I’d just be annoyed by it the whole time.
Tja@programming.dev 1 month ago
Any major combat movement is going to make her bits show.
Hence distracting the villains and gaining tactical advantage!
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Would her thighs not be cold with the one on the right??
Katana314@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Same. I’m a gooner. But I like building into the fantasy. I like the role play starting with “Ooh, I’m a tough mage overestimating herself, here I go in this dungeon” - but starting that mage out in nothing but a thong pulls me out.
Write situations where it makes sense to briefly see someone in their underwear, I won’t deny being satisfied. But you’d have to write. People still need regular clothes
moopet@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
She wouldn’t care about the cold, she can survive without discomfort in the vacuum of space or in a house fire.
I mean, realistically her and Superman’s clothes should rip off within milliseconds of them doing 99% of the things they end up doing.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m half remembering a scene from I think one of the justice league movies where they explain that Superman’s invulnerability field extends like a millimeter from his skin, mostly protecting his clothes. Something about his powers being based around a telekinetic field projection that, for example, lets him hold entire buildings by a single corner without them crumbling into bricks.
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
And I’d watch that. It would be much more fun to watch. It would be a good scene. It would highlight the whole ‘world of cardboard’ thing, and be kinda hot.
Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Any major combat movement is going to make her bits show.
She is an alien, so maybe she doesn’t have bits like humans.
python@lemmy.world 1 month ago
As a woman, I kinda thought for a second that the costume on the left looks kinda cool. Then I remembered chub rub exists and visibly recoiled. It would be so painful to walk around in that jfc
rexxit@lemmy.world 1 month ago
BreadOven@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Whoopp whhoooooppp!
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“No no it’s ok, she’s kryptonian so she wouldn’t get chub rub”
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If the left outfit is better for doing super stuff then Superman needs to wear a speedo.
lime@feddit.nu 1 month ago
he does, with long johns on underneath.
pulsey@feddit.org 1 month ago
maybe one of the elephant trunk undies.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Strictly speaking he does wear one. Most superheros do… Some just wear tights under it lol
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
Speak for yourself. Kryptonians, like Saiyans, exist for the cool ass fight scenes and saying shit like “The world belongs to its people, not tyrants”. (Maybe Saiyans dont say that lol)
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Maybe Saiyans dont say that lol
Obviously, because Saiyans also have a tyrant, King Vegeta. Saiyan are born warrior and compassion aren’t being taught as it’s treated as a weakness amongst them, so they’re basically a race of ruthless fighter, and King Vegeta is on the top of that. He went and conquer the stars, and only stopped because of Frieza, the bigger tyrant.
The only good saiyan is Goku, all due to the head trauma and also raised by Gohan. Vegeta only being good because of the bigger tyrant, Bulma.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
This is bulma slander and Vegeta won’t have anyone speaking bad of his waifu!
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
Bardock is also pretty chill.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Holy moly, this comment section.
Good job for defeating my very low expectations, Lemmy.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’ve only ever known Supergirl to have a full suit like Kal-El, or a skirt with thigh-highs.
Don’t mistake Supergirl with her Project Cadmus clone; Powergirl, with huge tits, boob window, and completely bare legs.
Supergirl isn’t a manufactured object in the comics, so she doesn’t look like one.
KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I don’t want either. For me, superhero stuff is tried and boring. How about some new ideas?
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Porky no lost dose?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Jesus Christ, she’s 40% thigh in that first one.
Somebody just wants to see Supergirl crush a watermelon with her legs.
Katana314@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There’s probably a good opportunity for a more detailed discussion on sexuality in media here.
Several things are true. One, I think most commenters agree the guy posting this is likely a sex-obsessed misogynist. Two, some people do get uncomfortable, or lose immersion in media, based on certain costume designs. Three, some people would like to see more sexualization/attractive characters in media for their own enjoyment, and in certain contexts that’s not always a harmful thing to ask for.
It’s also made trickier because for groups both for/against sexualization of various forms, they’re often shy about discussing it. It’s a subject that leads to fast accusations of censorship, prudishness, or misogynistic deviancy or gender hatred.
Still, I do think there’s better balances to achieve by allowing a bit more communication. Wonder if this makes sense as a YouTube video or just a more open-ended thread question starting with a poll.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So, liking skimpy outfits on my favored ridiculous super hero is now “creepy”, and I should watch porn instead?
What the fuck is wrong with liking the first costume? Desiring “realism” in costume design is your preference, fine. Not everyone wants realism from their ridiculous super hero fantasies. If your disgusted by that, the problem is you.
hOrni@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’ll agree to the left one, but only if we make superman wear the same costume. And we go back to Cavill.
Ravenheart@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I don’t know who this Fahhh person. Are we sure he isn’t just making a dumb joke? Because it’s giving me those vibes.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t understand the adolescent need for every female character to be fuckable.
Consider the absolute meltdown over the new God of War game. It’s to the point where some loser made an AI slop game where the character does laundry, gives birth, etc… because they’re so buttmad that every game isn’t Stellar Blade.
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 1 month ago
I mean, I don’t quite agree with Fahhh’s stance, but how is the left image porn or porn-related, and why should horny = creepy?
chrischryse@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Didn’t supergirl aways wear a skirt?
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 month ago
For me, I would prefer to combine both. A good panty shot is one of my jams.
KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
We do. It just doesnt feel any less empty inside.
nullspace@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It wouldn’t be fair if Superman got underpants and Supergirl didn’t.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
This isn’t a power girl movie and the actress playing supergirl is nowhere near buxom enough to play her even if it were one. Supergirl’s outfit has never looked like the left.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 1 month ago
In much of her history, she’s also quite young. Young enough to live in an orphanage in the golden age before getting foster/adoptive parents. Sometimes she’s an adult in the 20-24ish range. But it seems like every time the canon gets reset for her she’s canonically 16 again. And as such she’s almost always dressed pretty reasonably by Superheroine standards.
She almost always wears a skirt and briefs, of not shorts, tights, pants or full legged unitard. Don’t know that she has ever been depicted as particularly busty.
In fact, it is a running gag that her Earth 2 counterpart, Powergirl, is famously quite busty and confident his her body (boob window and all), particularly in comparison to Supergirl.
For comparison sake: Image
SaraTonin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We can, at least, identify her exactly in the film, as she celebrates her 23rd birthday
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I’ll never forget the boob window is there to help deal with the boob sweat.
I mean there’s logic there but it’s funny none the less.