in all fairness italian cuisine is a relatively recent invention
Submitted 3 weeks ago by cm0002@no.lastname.nz to memes@sopuli.xyz
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Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Saryn@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He’s Scottish though, not English
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The Scotts will one up the English at any chance they get out of pure spite if for no other reason.
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The cow that made that cheese should sue him for assault.
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A classic. For sure that’s a dope sando tho
mrslt@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“Relatively recent”
I’ll be sure to let the Etruscans know.
swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Isn’t tomato native to the Americas?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Most food is.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The Etruscans, famously known for their tomato sauce.
mrslt@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah, all they did was form the basis for modern pasta, and cultivating the seasonings used by modern Italians. I’m sure that counts for absolutely nothing. /s
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s a reference to Alberto Grandi and his theses about the origins of many popular Italian dishes that are perceived as “traditional” but did become mainstream until after WWII (and that Italian cuisine before that was much more regional and less homogeneous).
I think there’s something to those arguments, but it is worth noting that he’s not really a “food historian” as he’s often described but a professor of economics and management.
tomenzgg@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
economics and management
The foremost things I have with every meal.
Zink@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Ahkshually, cultures all over the world have eaten crustaceans for millennia!
(I made up that fact for the sake of the punch line, no idea if accurate)
logi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
My people would rather have starved than eat crustaceans. Lobsters were being fed to prisoners in the US until recently. People are weird.
(It was a valiant attempt)
n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
England had to utilize military force to control India to get the spices, to make the blandest food on the planet.
mika_mika@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They sold the spices to other nations for major profit to enrich themselves. They never intended to eat said spices.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s what the Portuguese and the Dutch did. By the time the British finally defeated the Dutch in… like… the seventh war, the spice trade was no longer the most profitable. It was then the Atlantic Triangle… or whatever it was called.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Curry is practically the national dish in the UK now and a few variants were even invented there
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
British food is great. Chicken tikka, pizza, Chinese, lasagne… The list goes on.
lobut@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
In all seriousness, there’s some great British food and people get too territorial about what constitutes as what food belongs to whom.
arc99@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Definitely - foods like British / Scottish / Irish / Ulster fry, pork pies, bangers & mash, fish & chips, Sunday roast (carved meat, roast potatoes, yorkshire puds), shepherd’s pie, beef wellington to name a few. Plenty of deserts too.
A Sunday roast / carvery is basically what Americans get when they order prime rib. The cut of meat is slightly different due to different classifications but for all intents and purposes it’s a Sunday rib roast. For some bizarre reason in the US it’s regarded as fine dining with a price 4x as much as it would be for a better Sunday roast meal / carvery in a British pub. Over two decades ago I went to dine in a Lawry’s Prime Rib in Chicago - big mistake - massively overpriced for what it was.
QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Who would have anything against British cuisine? www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHbWHGVYaU
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
This is another one of those times where I can’t tell if this is British humour or British documentary.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Can someone authoritative clarify? I literally can’t tell either.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
You can only tell at the very end when he says “no joke intended”
gmtom@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
100% real, you can buy packs of frozen removedts at basically any supermarket
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Lmao, the first comment:
"Well I know my algorithm didn’t search for “peas.”
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I did NOT see that opening sentence coming! 😂
WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Opening, middle, end… Much like removeds, there just is so much to love.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Curry is the greatest dish of English cuisine.
Johanno@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
The best German dishes are Döner, Spaghetti and Lasagne.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Fuckin schnitzel doesn’t matter or anything!?
fishy@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
In Japan they consider curry a European dish, so you’re not really wrong.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What about doner kebab and garlic sauce?
Donkter@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t worry, it’s not a trad misogynist belief that women belong in the kitchen. It’s just a widdle bit of cute racism.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think you mean bigotry not racism.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But seriously i had a roast at an English friends house, have you guys ever heard of slow cooking? Braising? Grilling? Marinating? Just throwing a roast in boiling water or in the oven for an hour isnt gonna cut it
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I was gonna say hey, that’s what I do and mine turns out fine, then googled to see what braising means and apparently that’s what I do with my roasts.
Do you mean the brits just… Straight up boil roasts, fully submerged and without browning firat?
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yeah, no, Italians can’t make breakfast for shit.
Coffee and a cake does not breakfast make.
mika_mika@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
English breakfast might be considered an acceptable meal if it wasn’t served at the time of day it is.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I hate Italian breakfast. My stomach doesn’t fare well with coffee, sugar, or wheat. I skip breakfast when I’m there.
Skyrmir@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I can’t agree, but I can very much understand.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
“Everybody get the fuck out of my way and don’t touch anything”
-Me, in the kitchen
owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
“'ow about we add some vinegah—”
“ANDARE!”
gmtom@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
British food is actually top tier. Tye difference with Italian food for example is Italian is quicker and easier to make, so your average person can put together a pasta dish pretty quickly as a weekday evening meal. Whereas youre not going to come home and quickly make a roast dinner or a beef wellington or a proper steak and ale pie, so instead you’ll just bang some fish fingers and chips in the oven and 20 minutes later have some perfectly good scran for while you watch EastEnders.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have several thousands of millions of food intolerances, so I love that British simplicity
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I agree but if you need some beans made, they will excel in that.
deHaga@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
She just needs a bit of toad in the hole
pewpew@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
I’m italian, but I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want me in your kitchen
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Italians assume they eat good but in fact they eat a lot of shit like anyone else
Flipper@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
The food, the weather and the women created a seafaring nation.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So what you’re saying is, I need to find an Italian woman! I can work with that.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I get this sentiment. I don’t particularly like cooking, but I like cooking a lot more than what my partner prepares.
Sharlot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A strong boundary and a great punchline 😄 That’s love, culture, and humor all working together.
bitchkat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The absolute best breakfast in the world is square sausage and potato scones.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The best chefs in the world are men.
RedSnt@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
Whenever I see some recipe with tomato or potato and people in the comments are trying to convince everyone it’s a dish from their country I can’t help but be a bit amused. It’s often Indians unsurprisingly, and I say that because 1/8th of the world’s population and most spices are from India.
And on the flipside, it’s almost impressive how England has stuck with their guns culinary-wise. I mean, just play a round of Scrandle for those mushy peas.Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
British cuisine is abysmal, but Australia doesn’t even have a cuisine at all.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
nialv7@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
jokes aside, i’d say british cuisine is definitely taking more flak than what it deserves.
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
A lot of you still cooking like the Germans are still flying over your heads NGL
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
We still are, but now it’s Lufthansa, not Luftwaffe. Big difference.
DmMacniel@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Well de are, but instead that the English read the dropped recipe books they use it as toiletpapers!
lobut@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Of course it does. I grew up in the UK and it’s fun taking jabs but then you have a bunch of people who just keep doubling down as if they’re God’s gift to the kitchen.
My favourite take of theirs is always what they exclude from English food but they’ll talk about American food and include everybody else’s cuisine …
hraegsvelmir@ani.social 2 weeks ago
In fairness, a lot of people will only experience or know what’s brought out as quintessential English for at holidays or other special occasions, which isn’t always the best thing there is to offer from the cuisine. It’s something else entirely if you actually go there for a couple of weeks and pay attention to all the delicious stuff you’ll eat while there.
Plus, you get plenty of weirdos from every country who seem to have Stockholm syndrome with the most bland/boring aspects of their cuisine and will wholeheartedly recommend their absolute most terrible dish as the pinnacle of their country’s cuisine. I have a coworker from Ireland who won’t touch a spice bag if his life depended on it, but will tell anyone who listens how wonderful beans on buttered brown bread is and that it should be more common everywhere.
HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What’s crazy is all the trash they talk about American food, and somehow managed to completely forget that Louisiana is in America…
hansolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Yeah, you all definitely have… 8 or maybe 9 edible things that aren’t beer or curry.
All the same, I’d rather have a full English breakfast than 90% of French food and 98% of German food. Kidneys in cream, or raw pork crackers, or bread and cheese like they invented it or whatever.
FreeBeard@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Very ignorant take because everything a full English offers is also very German. This includes the pig blood which isn’t french but you probably didn’t think of that anyway.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I guess you’re not into bread, because Germans have incredible bread
Rinox@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
Maybe…
What I don’t understand is how they can be on an island, surrounded by some of the best fish in the world (including the fantastic Scottish salmon) and the only piece of fish you can find in the whole country is freaking cod with four layers of batter applied to it and fried until the only flavor you can perceive is that of mediocre burnt oil.
They make good meat dishes (roasts, meat pies), but then they pair them with the most uninspiring sides… The UK cuisine has a few good things, and they have good ingredients, but more often than not they cook them in boring ways and stop there, calling it “good enough”
Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I once read that a group of Rotterdam Housewives wrote a collective letter to their fishermen husbands, that they would abide no more then 2 days of salmon dinner a week. Maybe having an abundance of it makes it unbearable after decades. I mean, complaining about salmon dinner seams crazy to me, so who knows what you can get fed up with :)
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Tbh, british food is mostly just salt-deficient. Add salt to it and a lot of it tastes really good.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I mean… British were always shafted by their nobility. The land wasn’t known for fruits or sweet veggies, the rent in UK paid to the landlord was relatively high, so most peasants ate pickles, chutneys or different mushed veggies as sides.
Cyclist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It may not be as nuanced, but it’s pretty damn good.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yeah their curry is awesome.
Waitasecond…
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, tikka masala is awesome. And yeah fish and chips is amazing too. It’s just that brits also have stuff like boiled roasts
crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I do believe tikka masala is British but it is funny that it’s the first thing you said because it’s also very clearly Indian
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m not much of a fan of many traditional British dishes, and there are some things many British people seem to enjoy make me wonder about their taste buds. OTOH, Britain once had a worldwide empire, and it brought back a lot of dishes from that empire to the mainland. Indian curries are the obvious example, but there’s also Caribbean food, Chinese food, even other curries from South-East Asia.
idunnololz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
idk man. I went to the UK to sample of cuisine thinking it can’t be that bad and I have mixed feeling afterwards. Like the food is edible at least.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
What did you have because you can go to a crap pizza place in Italy.
Lenny@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
www.youtube.com/shorts/-in0vZ3yDQs
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
In comedy, timing is everything. This cut down TikTok ruined the joke :(
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Food is like music. You can have very strong tastes for a particular genre. But I reckon real lovers will always find something to love wherever they go.
Like, I love scones, and carrot cakes and I fondly remember a simple ham and potatoes I had one Christmas in Ireland. And fantastic fish. That smoked salmon filet with herbs and spices from M&S is still in my mind all those years later.
There is always something to love, if you give it a fair go.