Clock logic

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• Admetus@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I get the joke, but the sundials of ancient civilisations precluded clocks.

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sundials also didn’t work very well at midnight for some reason, what’s ya point?

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    • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’re just not holding the flashlight properly.

      If you hold the flashlight right they work 100% of the time.

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    • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s why for a long time, and even longer in the Royal Navy, the new day started at noon and not midnight.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Sundials also didn’t work very well at midnight for some reason, what’s ya point?

      Noon is the center of the dial. Midnight is just the opposite of noon.

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  • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “Precluded” means “prevented” or to “make impossible” ❤️

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  • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s all the Babylonians fault

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    • sundray@lemmus.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Those fuckers could count to 60 on their fingers. Witchcraft!

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  • exothermic@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well… This post sent me down a rabbit hole -> Unequal Hours if anyone else is curious.

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  • hakase@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    precluded

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• IWW4@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It is wild how people refuse to use the 24 hour clock. It is so logical and easy. kind of like the metric system……

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  • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    First thing I change on every electronic device I buy.

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    • spazzman6156@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And really annoying when something only has 12hr mode

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  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t want to believe that time goes on for that long.

    I’d rather a 6 hour clock.

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It only solves a small part of the issue at the cost of less convenience and consistency. Propose a “metric” time that solves more of this issue problem and I’m all for it

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    • groet@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      less convenience and consistency

      What? … seriously, which convenience and consistency are you talking about.

      24h only has one “inconsistency”, going from 23:59 to 0:00. How is that less consistent than 12am being after 11:59pm and 12pm being after 11:59am. Solves all parts of the issue except for one. Which is a lot better than the 12h system.

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    • DharmaCurious@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There was a metric clock after the revolution, it didn’t last long, because it was bad. It made the day (as in, the 24 hour day) 10 metric hours long, and contained 100 minutes and 100 seconds. Meaning a metric hour is about 2.24 standard hours. Having only 10 hours in a day meant it was harder to schedule things, and you had to be much more precise. 10 is also just not as divisible as 12 or 60. There’s a reason why base 12 systems have staying power, even when they’re converted into base 10 and feel clunky.

      My suggestion for a better metric clock, still keeping the standard base 10 of metric, would be to divide the day into daytime and nighttime hours, and giving each of them 10 so it feels all nice and frenchy. 100 minutes, 100 seconds.

      That makes the metric hour about equivalent to 72 standard minutes, and the metric minute about 43 standard seconds

      1 metric second would be a little less than half our current second.

      The day is nearly divided into two segments, daytime (DT) and nighttime (NT) that parallels the am/pm system. I don’t particularly like this, as I prefer a 24 hour clock in our currently system, but it’s still an improvement on the actual metric clock from the revolution.

      Now, if you want an actual improvement, and not just a clock that goes well with your other systems of measure, you’d need to attend on my Ted Talk on why we should transition to base 12 for everything (not go to the American/imperial system, but actual base 12. As in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, X, E, 10). The meter can stay the same physical length, the dozenal kilo would balance a scale with old one, but divide everything in the new system, giving us significantly more ways to divide things evenly, and keeping the nice round “10s.”

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  • The_Lurker@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’d prefer base 10 time than base 12. Until then I’ll just keep with am pm

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    • BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      I’d prefer base 12 for everything

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• Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  24 hour analogue clocks exist. I have a 24 hour watch which only revolves once per 24 hours. It’s a disadvantage though.

  The reason why clocks and watches display 12 hours at a time is so that they have space to show finer resolution of time. If you try to cram 24 hours onto a clock, it’s not easy to tell if it’s 12:20 or 12:30 at a quick glance.

  Most people are not too stupid to be aware of if they are in the first 12 hours or second 12 hours of a day, so they benefit from a watch with 12 hour timescale and finer resolution so that they can more easily see exactly what time it is.

  And for all the dummies posting about 12h vs 24h clocks. In the sense of saying that it’s 1pm vs 13:00. That’s not what this meme is even describing. This is about the physical layout of a clock or watch face.

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  • riot@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I can't believe this is the first I'm hearing of 24-hour analogue clocks! That's so cool. But yeah, I see your point about it now allowing for very much precision at a glance.

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    • Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      If 12 is better than 24 we should build 6 hour analog clocks already!

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• altphoto@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Alright, I’m calling a 4.1666666666666666666666666666 metric hour meeting to discuss this!

  The meeting might run to a full 5 metric hours.

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  • bountygiver@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    there’s 86400 seconds in a day. If we use a new unit that is slightly shorter than a second as a metric second, we can do 100000 metric seconds a day, with 100 metric seconds per metric minutes, and 100 metric minutes per metric hour, and each day having 10 metric hours.

    We are only used to the current system because we have been using it.

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• s@piefed.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Keep it simple and just measure in terms of seconds since the Big Bang. The current time is 435,884,579,968,052,736 seconds, easy peasy

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  • PlexSheep@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Nah just use Unix time

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    • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      technically that is 64 bit unix time.

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• Jumuta@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The clock makes so much more sense when you make the 12 a 0

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  • hansolo@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I never confirmed this, but I noticed that in parts of West Africa, people wouldn’t say “afternoon” until after 1:00pm. Since greetings were important, I started noticing it more and more when peoe would say “good morning” during lunch at 12:30pm. As if the 12 noon hour is still part of the time segment.

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• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Babylonians: I see this as a complete win.

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• lime@feddit.nu ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  maybe this is because i grew up in a house that had a clock with handn but no numbers, but wth do you mean “the 6 means 30”.

  analogue clocks consists of two progress bars. the numbers are just for convenience.

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  • Derpenheim@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    When the minutes hand is over the 6, 30 minutes have passed

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    • jdnewmil@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      whoosh!

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    • Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There is no six. Clock faces have big and little ticks and a 12 maybe.

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  • Battle_Masker@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Poor lad never learned the code

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  • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    3π/2

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• BenevolentOne@infosec.pub ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  My pet theory is (circa 10000 BCE) that ‘houses’ and ‘hours’ are related words, the 12 hour clock matched the zodiac, each hour/house was 1 Assyrian ‘watch’ and they had no trouble day or night (constellations at night, sundial during the day), they were easy to build, easy to communicate, easy to understand and efficient.

  Then the Egyptians stole the technology (Circa 6000BCE) said ‘12 hours in a day? I got you bro’, fucked it up and it all went downhill from there.

  Feel free to quote me in your prize winning scientific paper.

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  • Hoimo@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How important is it to your theory that “hour” is related to “house” in… ancient Assyrian language? Because they’re completely unrelated in English, “house” coming from Germanic hus and “hour” coming from French ore. If we look at ancient Greek, the two are hoora for “hour” and oikos for “house”. I think English post-vowel shift has to be the first language where those two even sound similar.

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    • BenevolentOne@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Not central, just suspicious, but… this is ‘house’ as in astrological house as in the first part of the word ‘horoscope’, not house like a house you live in.

      My background in linguistics consists of a couple chompsky soft-science books and a love of tolkien, but if you actually know something and wanna chat I’d honestly love to dig in on this seriously. DM me.

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• Whelks_chance@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Isn’t this a standup routine?

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Another classic meme. Love to see it getting a proper repost after all these long weeks.

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