Submitted 10 hours ago by cm0002@piefed.world to [deleted]
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Yep. I’ve already said this like three times on other platforms: it’s ok to be happy about this. He gave you permission. Twice, actually. The “it’s worth sacrificing a person every now and then if it means we get to have guns” and this empathy thing.
This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.
This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.
There was also that one guy who shot himself in an underground bunker in Berlin. Gun violence and suicide are never OK but sometimes they are.
I wonder if we will get a new wave of users as reddit has another ban wave for people laughing at this cunts neck exploding.
Literally me. Been banned there way too many times, and for a lot worse things than what I’ve said here in the past 10 hours.
I’m done with that fucking site. They love censorship.
I made a comment asking where this was when two Democrats were executed in their homes, Trump said it’d be a waste of time to show empathy, etc.
Now they’re calling timeout because they’re the target.
If you shoot politicians and billionaires instead of kids they might finally care about gun violence in the US.
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Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
No really, if he was a nicer guy this probably wouldn’t have happened.
I’m not convinced it did happen. His last words were literally making light of gun violence. If I read this in a book, I’d say it was too on-the-nose
We have no clue how long the shooter was zeroed in. It’s entirely possible they chose the funniest moments to pull the trigger.
This timeline’s scriptwriter has been phoning it in for years.
Seemed like it was more in the neck to me
They didn’t seem to care when it was Paul Pelosi, or the two democratic politicians that were assassinated in their homes.
His last words
He was asked how many shooters were trans in the last 10 years and replied “Too many” He was corrected, the number is 5. He was then asked how many shootings happened in these years (there were 5700) He asked back: “Counting or not counting gang violence?” and got shot
His last word was “violence”.
A sniper with an innate sense of comedic timing?
If violence isn’t working, you’re not using enough violence.
shot; dies
Narrator:
the violence worked.
I always said “You can tell when Charlie Kirk is arguing in bad faith by when his lips are moving and sounds are coming out.”
And it was literally the last thing he ever did.
He died doing what he loved
He was engaging in hate-mongering right until the end. Just like the Nazi propagandists of the WW2 era, he was spreading a message of a demonized minority group being responsible for countless crimes and social ills. He ran literally the exact same playbook against trans people as the Nazis did against Jews.
I have no more sympathy for him than the Nazi propagandists we hanged at Nuremberg. They’re guilty of the exact same crimes against humanity.
“Gang violence” = racist dog whistle. The assassin couldn’t have picked a more perfect time to fire. 😂
I mean ideally it would’ve been at his time of birth
I would actually like to know what he was leading to with that question. Is the implication that gangs have an overrepresentation of trans people? Or that gang violence doesn’t count for some reason?
I guess we’ll never know.
It’s a common talking point among the right that there aren’t really that many mass shootings in America if you exclude gang violence. Y’know, which is done by and only effects those people
Pointing out that gangs do a lot of violence is an attempt to shift blame onto the demographic groups which are overrepresented in gangs due to socioeconomic reasons (systemic racism).
Given who he was, probably the latter as a to-him socially acceptable racist dog whistle.
Using one minority as a scapegoat for gun violence wasn’t working, so he was switching to a different minority.
It’s a deflection technique. The intention was to not answer or address the question at all, but to shift to another topic he could more easily use to manipulate his audience. If you’ve ever watched him “debate” he was a master of deflection.
He was obviously arguing that skin colour minorities were doing any shooting that trans Americans weren’t. Because his goal in life was to make people feel like they belonged - by vilifying out groups. And then monetize that shit.
As others mentioned, “gang violence” is generally a euphemism for non white, especially poor, people. I used to listen to Knowledge Fight(stopped after election not because of the boys, but didn’t want to hear Jones gloat) and during several shootings that involved black victims Jones dismissed it as gang violence.
One case I recall was a shooting in a school in GA that he was spinning some other way, until he found out the school was primarily black and the victim (who survived iirc) was black. He then just stated the kid was in a gang with no proof and dismissed the story.
Just some good old racism
It was more anti-trans hate mongering. 2 or 3 trans shooters out of 5700 is nothing. If you can whittle down the number of “mass shootings” to just a handful of incidents, can make it seem like trans people are vastly over-represented among school shooters.
our gangs of forcefemme communists are very trans and very violent, yes
Seriously? We’re living in a movie.
It gets dumber…there was a school shooting today, 3 kids dead, 1 state over from this.
Reality displayed an immaculate sense of poetic justice today.
Does anyone have video of this? (This conversation, not the shooty part) All the news media are quoting this while referring to a video but not showing it.
I watched the close up video and didn’t find it too traumatic especially given all what has been happening in gaza and Ukraine
They’re /very/ intertwined. I don’t recommend looking for it unless you want trauma
Almost like the one asking the questions was in on it. I hope they never find them.
Let’s also not forget how giddy he was when Paul pelosi was nearly killed over his politics.
Golden Earring - Twilight Zone for the lyrics
“Where am I to go now that I’ve gone too far? Soon, you will come to know when the bullet hits the bone”
Utah Saints - Something Good, for the hilarious, to me, coincidence between the song title, the band name and the location of the event
*NSYNC - Bye Bye Bye, need I say more
I hate how some are trying to spin this as “he was killed just for having different opinions” like no, he didn’t just have “different opinions” that’s grossly oversimplifying things, he advocated for the genocide in Gaza, said kids being shot in school is “worth it” because “god given rights” (which version of the Bible had assault rifles in it?) ridiculed disabled people in his circles, and said if his 9 year old daughter got raped he wouldn’t allow her to have an abortion
All while in a position of authority and power with influence over a significant portion of people. How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
If they’re “just words” then why are they so butthurt over our words? It’s just words when I say “Charlie Kirk deserved what he got”. What’s the big deal???
How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
For a white ethnostate, obviously.
Advocating for genocide in Gaza isn’t even a different opinion. It’s the same opinion as democratic party leadership.
How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why. I’m not trying to defend the guy, but fundamentally that’s what is supposed to divide the progressives/liberals vs the conservatives. The conservatives don’t care except when it’s their own while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.
At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why.
Julius Streicher was also a human being. He was hanged at Nuremberg for the same kind of hate-mongering that Kirk made his whole career doing. Kirk was guilty of crimes against humanity.
Whatever. He was fucking gloating ever since the MAGAts took over, while others are being violently oppressed for “not qualifying” to be “American”.
Maybe it’s time to start fighting fot our liberties, instead of feeling bad for the guys taking them away.
No, someone who spread as much hate as he did, doesn’t deserve sympathy.
I hope the bullet is ok.
I hate how some are trying to spin this as “he was killed just for having different opinions”
…like who?
I heard something like that from 2 different ‘news’ sources. One was Fox News and the other was PBS news. The PBS one was a lot less direct, but some rando who knew nothing about him could still take that message away. Zero mention of what he advocated for beyond challenging opinions on college campuses and mentioning he was a right wing influencer. They were playing up the think of the CEO’s family card just like they did with the UHC CEO. Oh and don’t forget the 247 (/s) random politicians who condemn political violence.
He is right, empathy is a dangerous feeling. Sometimes, it is better to feel it, and still toss it aside when it apply to assholes
I’d like to ask a general question that I’m not entirely sure I can give enough context for.
When did we as a society start listening so intently to what amounts to barely more than children? This Kirk guy looked chromosomal on top of being barely out of high school, how and why do so many people listen to him?
Half a century ago thought leaders were people like Isaac Asimov or Carl Sagan or Gwynne Dyer or Roy Bonisteel or any number of scholarly people over a certain age.
When did we start caring about high schooler’s opinions on a national level?
The answer is social media. And theres grifters for everyone to latch on to, and get their opinions from.
It seems like the right wing have the market cornered, but thats only because we frequent left leaning social media holes. If you look at the right holes, you’ll see the same insanity going the other way. Unhinged blue hair land whales getting weird as fuck about a hot girl wearing jeans for example. But right now, if you look, what you’ll see an ocean of right wing grifters pointing to social media posts and comments and that are cheering on the death of Kirk. Which if you think about it, its pretty fucking sick. Yeah, he was a cunt. But that doesnt mean we have to be as well.
I mean, if I told you that someone was killed because of their political beliefs, youd think of Lincoln or Kennedy. And then if I told you people were cheering about it, youd think they were sick. But this is somehow worse. Charlie Kirk was killed not for politics, but because of the dumb as fuck culture wars that he took part in. Saying outrageous, bigoted dog shit, and then being celebrated for it by an annoying gaggle of cave brained cunts.
This is why people are celebrating. This weird culture war, that has both sides not seeing human beings anymore. Just talking heads that say things they dont like. The real horror of this is that a human being was murdered, and no one on the left side of the culture war for one second thought of the human being, or the horrific way he died. They just cheered and tapped away keys with satisfying clicky sounds. And worse than that, the cunt is now a martyr to that cause. This will only escalate now. And that, is nothing that anyone should be happy about.
I think since forever, there’s for example quite a few teenagers amongst the US Founding Fathers age when signing declaration of independence:
Alexander Hamilton 21 James Monroe 18 Nathan Hale 21 John Marshall 20 Aaron Burr 20 Charles Pinckney 18
Imagine having to juggle being a Father and getting through college at the same time.
We always have and it’s how the left has lost young men. Counterculture and much progressivism has always been young men meeting up to consume drugs and engage in pseudointellectual conversation. Each generation had them, the hippies of the 60s, punks of the 80s, beatniks of the 50s. However the counterculture spaces of growth and optimism men created grew to resent and exclude them, and they have been scooped up by the testosterone peddling rage dealers that pull them in by their curiosity and desire to better understand and affect the world and themselves. There they are twisted into being dependent on a guide to get them through the delusional world they then believe in.
I wouldn’t say he was murdered. He considered himself to be a culture warrior and when a warrior falls in battle, even if it’s a most pointless battle standing on the wrong side of history, it’s generally not considered murder.
I feel bad for this guys family but becoming your own meme for getting assassinated is crazy. This whole thing has been insane.
I dont feel bad for his family.
spoilers please
Yeah but you gain one smug counter or one sanctimony counter.
The world is just a little better today.
Overall it still sucks, but it’s nice to know good things still happen once in a while.
I’m savoring it, as things are bound to get worse. The right produces too many directed nutters.
so does this mean that any maggot who says they feel for his family or friends or colleagues, are really just liberal cucks in disguise?
Sure enough. Probably on soros payroll too.
When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel. Does Nazi just mean conservation fascist now? And if so is B. Netanyahu a Nazi? That seems weird.
That’s what they definitely want, but keep in mind, there’s two outcomes for them: one, you try to hold moral superiority and succumb once again to justifying their victim narratives and allowing them to change the discourse, or two, which they will still claim regardless, that you fight back and they have an additional excuse they would have manufactured regardless.
Anywhere in the world, when things get bad enough, even in USA’s own history, when things get bad enough, you have to recognize you will never get through the mental gymnastics and that you are under a regime that’s only going to get worse. And yes, that certain people are going to try to benefit from that instability and perhaps are even forcing it, but also that sometimes the only answer is to get ahead of the road they’ve paved so you can change the course faster and sooner than they would have expected. Not doing so or even fighting against the people actually resisting against the regime due to their superiority complex is what has ended cementing dictatorships instead of powering successful revolutions back into democracies.
“Unalived”
Right?
Maybe it wasn't murder. Maybe it was just an accident. There were probably lots of guns on campus, after all open carry is legal on campus' in UT, as I understand. Let's not prejudge the guy, he deserved a fair trial.
He was permanently deported to the afterlife.
This is genuinely the first time in a long time that the news has brought me genuine joy. I don’t give a fuck, but I am angry at him and people like him for being so shitty that it makes me feel joy at their deaths. This is on you bitch.
To be fair, using his talking points that made him one of the biggest cunts on the planet as justification to be just like him, its pretty wild. He was cunt, there no doubt about that. But his death brings that question back onto you. Are you going to celebrate the death of a 31 year old man just because you didnt like the dumb shit he said? If the answer is yes, you might not be the good guy you think you are.
the problem is that he was wrong; Empathy is a good thing. You are embodying his shitty ideology by not having empathy. That doesn’t mean you gotta suddenly like the guy or not call out his shitty ideology, but don’t let yourself get dragged down to his level in the septic tank.
I’ll gladly die on this hill, get at me nerds
I mean, I wouldn’t say “don’t celebrate it” but just because someone else is a piece of shit isn’t a blank check for you* to be a piece of shit.
*Collective “you”
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
I firmly believe that there are people who make the world better by dying.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
The problem with this is that it will be used to increase violence against non-white cis males.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 11 minutes ago
Like winning WWII increase violence against non-nazis?
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 minutes ago
Like that wouldn’t happen without this. This belief that “if we don’t give them an excuse, they won’t make things worse” really needs to die. Fascists will do evil things, regardless of what anybody does.