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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  When left-handedness became acceptable the number of left handed people was far higher than experts had predicted.

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  • RedSnt@feddit.dk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    My grandmother told me stories about how she’d get whipped with a stick on the top of her hand if she tried using her left. Coercion never went away: conversion camps, behavioural therapy etc.

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    • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      My mom told me similar stories. She adored Ned Flanders’s store and used to remind us constantly how easy right-handers have it (semi-jokingly). I think that was my first encounter with the concept of privilege.

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    • Daelsky@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Before the 60s, in most Catholic societies, writing with your left hand was seen as a sign of the devil and unchristian. It was thus punished very often. I heard stories in Québec (Canada) where people would be beaten their left hand until there was blood with a wooden ruler. It’s frankly horrible and someone I know did show her scars from being beaten so often.

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    • blazeknave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      My grandfather too

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  • match@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    just waiting for the us government to criminalize left-handedness

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    • Anegro_Montoya@sh.itjust.works ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They’re busy on darkskinedness and transgenderedness atm.

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    • kitnaht@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m waiting for a left-handed month and parades…

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• Vanth@reddthat.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  My uncle, from the time he was a little boy, liked nothing more than farming and gardening. He has one friend and they talk exclusively about growing stuff. He had to be forced to finish high school because all he wanted to do was wrench on a tractor. He barely talks unless it’s farming related.

  He apparently takes after other men in the family, always one or two per generation, who were pretty much mute except when it came to their special interest. And they were 100% focused on their special interest.

  Back in the day, it was “Uncle Bob just has those family genes. We get one of them every once in a while. He sure is a helluva good farmer.” Today he would be diagnosed with autism.

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Your uncle sounds awesome.

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• solomon42069@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Just as easily applies to queerness and gender expression too. My favourite part on the these specific issues is the ignorance in the west, acting like being trans and queer is uniquely American and new.

  Meanwhile South East Asia is right there…

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• HalfSalesman@lemm.ee ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I took one of those autism tests and I can’t remember off the top of my head what the score was but it was very high which both surprises and doesn’t surprise me. I mask extremely well according to most people I meet. Telling me “You seem normal” or even “You aren’t autistic”.

  I’ve only had two people tell me “It’s obvious” ever, my mom and a single friend of mine.

  But holy hell all the other autism personality/psychological aspects are like cranked up to 100 and I have a love/hate relationship with that. Hyperfocus is a double edged sword for instance. I love that I can get super into something and get really fucking good at it but I don’t love obsessing over the same thing for months to the point of it keeping me awake at night and hurting other aspects of my life because I can’t change mental direction.

  It also isn’t good for social anxiety, way too much rumination on single awkward conversations MAKE IT STOP.

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  • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have a childhood friend who was very recently diagnosed with autism. We talked a little while ago and he brought it up. My first thought was “ah, yep, that explains a lot”.

    He’s still a great friend. It didn’t change anything about him, rather it helped make sense of his behaviors that we all just saw as “that’s just how [friend] is”.

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• queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  … so what you’re saying is that exoplanets cause autism!

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  • cogman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    No. It’s obviously the space telescopes.

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    • obinice@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Are Smelloscopes ok?

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  • RiceMunk@sopuli.xyz ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You have the causation wrong here.

    Autistic people go into astronomy, and then find more exoplanets. Therefore autism causes exoplanets!

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    • Comment105@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is technically sort of a little correct.

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  • Faydaikin@beehaw.org ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Time to blown up Pluto.

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  • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is stupid and you know it. Exoplanets were discovered much later. It’s Pluto that caused the autism epidemic and autistic people caused the exoplanet epidemic. Keep the causation clear.

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• daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I will argue that the mild part of the autism spectrum, what we call functional autism, is not a mental illness, not a disorder.

  It’s like being left handed, not the most common thing, it can cause troubles in a world made for right handed people, specially if being left handed is not accepted. But by itself is just another way of being just as “healthy” and “normal” as being right handed.

  I think this is an open debate. Some folks prefer it being considered an illness because they want diagnosis and treatment. Others, like me, just love to be this way, and there’s nothing I think is wrong with me. The only problem is that the world is not accommodated for people like me, just like it wasn’t accommodated for left-handed people not so long ago. But as soon as it’s 100% accepted as something normal I don’t see it causing any trouble, so if there’s no harm there’s no illness we can talk about.

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  • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The tldr for this is Neurodiversity

    Almost all disabilities exist only within the context of a culture. They are a human applied label.

    I recon most disabled people can do more advanced complex tasks than any animal/pet. Yet we do don’t think of our pets as disabled.

    We are all born with a useless appendix, which can potentially burst and kill us. If someone was born without. Would we all have a disability compared to them.

    Someone with only one arm is considered disabled, extra fingers? If its not the default it’s considered disabled.

    Now imagine a humanoid alien race with only 1 arm and a hand with 6 fingers. And imagine what their keyboards may look like. A normal human in their society would be considered disabled. Not because you cant use the keyboard but because you would struggle using a tool not designed for you.

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    • ZMoney@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Real quick the appendix might have an evolutionary function. When you have a gut infection and your intestine flushes out everything (good and bad bacteria), the appendix might be a cache for good bacteria that avoids both the infection and flushing. The good bacteria then repopulate your gut from your appendix.

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    • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      We din’t need a register of left handed people to start making left handed scissors.

      I think society can accommodate without the need for medicalize it. That’s the difference I wanted to make, an illness need to be medicalized. A different way of being does not.

      For instance, my lighter skin complexion makes so I have to wear more sunscreen that people with darker complexions. But no one would think of it as something to be medicalized. It’s just “oh, I usually get burned by the sun, I better buy some sunscreen” or “oh, I’m left handed I better put my mouse in left handed mode”, or “oh, I’m gay, I’d better go find someone of my same gender to love”. Something like that. Simple, easy and widely accepted.

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    • bouh@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I disagree on the last paragraph. Not so long ago helping disabled people was an obvious thing to do in our societies. I’m not saying it was easy for them or that it always worked. But in the last 70 years our societies changed to remove any help that wasn’t justified. The reason was simply to save money.

      Now you must justify that you are different and this difference warrant a different treatment. Because the society became intolerant to difference.

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    • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      100% the individual conditions make us different but the challenges and obstacles to everyday life that some different people may face originate on the social environment they exist in, not on the individual. If the society and environment change to accommodate for greater diversity then the person can more easily overcome the disability.

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  • Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Absolutely! In fact, I’d argue that this is true for many conditions that we treat as disabilities, like dyslexia (which is rarely disabling) and the aforementioned autism. Both of these conditions have disadvantages and advantages. The situation is not black and white; simply because society was designed one way, does not mean that everyone who does not perfectly fit in is disabled or has a illness.

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    • froggycar360@slrpnk.net ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What’s an advantage of dyslexia?

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  • bouh@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Wholeheartedly agree with this! IMO our societies have a big problem with people being different.

    That’s my opinion, but I attribute this liberalism: when the society’s philosophy is to attribute 5he responsibility of anyone’s success on each self person, it means the responsability to fit in is on the person itself and not on the society. This removes the burden of inclusion from the society, the group, and make it a burden of adaptation on the person. It is a toxic societal environment.

    As an argument to this point of view: making it an illness provide a justification for the person to be different, and a responsability for the society to accommodate disabled people. But the need to go to this extreme instead of simply being tolerant and accommodating any difference is both stupid (because it is a burden for both the victims and the society to hold discussions about basic needs) and a inhuman way of treating people.

    Another argument to my thesis is that the “epidemic” is coincidental with societal individualism (pushed by liberalism and that rose since the end of ww2) and the decline of social structures like church and government help (because liberalism was about fighting government involvement in people’s lives).

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  • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hell, I’d even go so far as to say it might not be worth a specific categorization, that everyone is a bit different and we don’t need to pigeonhole every state of reasonably normal into little categories. Ever since Asperger’s was popularized, we had a big chunk of people that are not especially far from normal latching onto this.

    If it doesn’t need particularly special treatment/accommodation, then it’s not really worth a category. If someone feels like not dealing with people, needing a bit of a break from it, then that shouldn’t need to be correlated to a condition. By the same token, it can’t be an excuse for being unreasonable to others when you are perfectly capable of being reasonable, you just don’t like doing so. If you misread someone’s non-verbal cues, whether or not you have a “condition”, people should understand that’s just a possibility of everyday life.

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• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  isn’t this also, like, a tweet about queer people?

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• Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This exoplanet pandemic is getting out of hand. We’re seeing them everywhere now!

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  • Hadriscus@lemm.ee ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I heard there’s also a galaxy outbreak happening as we speak

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    • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Jesus christ, this is getting out of hand!

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  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s probably a reading error that will go away if we ignore it.

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  • Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Have we tried slapping them out of existence? Or just telling them to think harder and maybe that’ll make them stop existing?

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• IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s the same about depression. I doubt people got “more depressed”, society have just ignored depression for almost the entirety of human history. My mother still tells me to “just be happy” like I can control brain chemicals. Literally nothing makes me happy. Petting my cat only slightly lessens my suffering. Ugh 😓

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  • Nelots@lemm.ee ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    While I’m sure most of it has always been here, I would be surprised if modern technology hasn’t contributed to a spike in depression. I have more content and information than I could ever need in the palm of my hands, and yet everything I read seems to make me hate people.

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    • RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah in 1940 you knew wealthier people had it better but you really never saw how much better.

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  • bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I wonder what the coal mines were like

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    • towerful@programming.dev ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Alcoholics, probably

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  • qarbone@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t think I agree with this one. There’s so much about lives lived in first world countries, with all the signals and information they are bombarded with, that is almost anti-thetical to our biology. I’m certain we are more mentally unwell than people living simply, especially in the past.

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    • rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’d assume coal miners and starving peasants just had different psychological issues (mostly, I bet some got depressed anyway, especially as a result of the other issues). Like PTSD, anxiety and the like.

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  • RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If depression wasn’t common someone needs to explain how we have seen so much more of it as fewer people are drinking as much as they had in the past.

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• withabeard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Something I noticed recently

  The same people who quickly bemoan “everyone wants a label now” seen to be the same people who say “all kids do this like that”.

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• Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I just want to take the moment to say, nice to have you all around, especially if you are different. Thanks for enjoying the shit that I don’t. And thanks for sharing my love for something for a different reason. Thanks for showing me a different world.

  Also If everyone was like me, my girlfriend wouldn’t be who she is, but ignoring that, I would have a lot of competition and it would be really boring for all of us. Wtf do you talk about if we all would be the same? I would hate you all, and consequently myself. Thanks for being different, seriously.

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• rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Is psychiatrists who talk about an “autism epidemic”, or certain journalists and activists?

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  • ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I would argue that psychiatry and psychology does not make this claim. if anything modern psychiatry and psychology along with autism foundations led the push to educate early childhood development associated caretakers, eg pediatricians, elementary and preschool teachers, etc for signs to look for and led to development and revision of specific screening tools throughout the 1990s that started to greatly increase the number of cases that diagnosed early on when they would’ve otherwise would’ve been considered “socially awkward” and ostracized for much of their lives without any support offered at all

    Granted there are certainly professionals that reject this now. The field is diverse and you certainly have varying opinions on things. And one weird phenomenon no one saw coming is that in this day and age staunchly conservative viewpoints would be disproportionately platformed. So sometimes those dumb shitheads get a huge platform because when they soapbox on social media saying “too many kids are getting diagnosed with autism” there are forces behind that realize they can be a useful idiot to legitimize awful views, like limiting health care spending (more people diagnosed with autism means insurance companies spend more) or anti vaccination nonsense (autism always attracts the loonies). And a bit of fame will often easily go to their heads, especially if it means they can now make a decent clip of money from speaking engagements and selling books.

    But remember those people don’t define the field. They are a sore on the field. The Jordan Petersons and Lisa Littmans are scum that are propped up by a propaganda network and powerful forces. They are outnumbered. That’s why their research keeps getting retracted (or in petersons case why he simply sticks to podcasts and hasn’t authored a paper since 2007), because there are more people with ethics and integrity that will call them out. At least for now, until our institutions surrounding social science are fully dismantled

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    • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s important to note that neither Peterson or Littman are psychiatrists.

      Littman is a physician, but last I remember, she studied behavioral health and psychotherapy. Which is interesting because most doctors who have a significant interest in a field like she claims to have would have shut up a long time ago and pursued it through significant research after a couple of Ph D.s worth of work. But that doesn’t make you wealthy, it just means that the one tiny thing you researched is right. She clearly would rather have money.

      Peterson is just a grifting asshole with a psychology degree. Marketing is one of the most common employers of psychologists and he just does it for his own stuff.

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  • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    People of the land youtu.be/hYTQ7__NNDI

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  • TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    it’s always a variety of different actors in any social process like this. it’s not any one singular body. but if you want to speak broadly, no the “epidemic” thinking is not widely accepted in psychiatry anymore.

    however the idea of modernity bringing new causes that increase the prevalence of certain mental disorders (which seems contrary to OP’s claim) is still being explored. either way, whether it’s more prevalent now or not, there’s no question that autism predates its label. well, beyond the ontological question of “is it really there if it doesn’t have a name”, which is an admittedly important question.

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• baltakatei@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Historically, I think with queer/unusual behavior were simply exiled/forced into suicide if they couldn’t mask. I’m glad I live in a part of the US that isn’t a monoculture as political originalists would have it revert to. Witchburning and lynchings are for losers.

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  • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    well there were lots of places where these things were actively embraced, iirc there were some quite significant muslim places where they fully recognized a third gender and even considered people belonging to it somewhat holy.

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  • Sonor@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    people in villages to a large extent just accepted queer people as their own category and moved on. They were tangentially aware of some people doing some unusual stuff on the sidelines, but unless it were shoved in their face they didn’t really care afaik

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• wowwoweowza@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m out of the loop here. Could someone ad some context for me? What’s this about?

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  • Furbag@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There is an incorrect belief that autism is on the rise and that it must be caused by something, but in reality we are just getting better at identifying it and diagnosing people correctly. So it’s not that there is an autism epidemic, we’re just discovering that it’s less rare of a condition than previously assumed.

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    • wowwoweowza@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      So… someone went through a great deal of trouble to share this. Why? I’m confused. What is the message and the audience? Is there something I am supposed to do?

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  • AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Autism

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• Anegro_Montoya@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Not about ADHD, nice. I probably have both. So many new MH illness to discover. We’re charting new territory…woooo…fuck me

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  • Noodle07@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sailling the ND seas…

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• caboose2006@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s them upgrading the graphics card to our simulation.

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  • Comment105@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I figured it out.

    Autism causes Nvidia/AMD which causes exoplanets.

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• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Epidemic? That means it’s a contagious disease, how do I spread my autism to others? By biting them? (If you ask: I consider some vampires “autism-coded”, and I might be making a game with even more autism coded vampires)

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• NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Uranus is still there even if no one can see it.

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• LMurch@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I love this post.

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• saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Got to say, I don’t really understand. But words ending with the -demic morpheme aren’t used lightly here and still mean what they do. I assume that’s what’s going on in this comment.

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  • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There are bad-faith actors trying to convince people that autism is “caused” by vaccines and similar garbage. They see the growing autistic population as a “woke epidemic”

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    • absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      So you are trying to say there is a bad-failth-actor-idemic. Got it.

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    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Not even that necessarily, they just like to act as if a lot of autism diagnoses are made up or at least severely exaggerated.

      shit like “bah you’re not autistic, you’re just an introvert, you just need to try harder!”
      I’ve faced this myself from my mom’s SO, he was just fucking incapable of entertaining the idea that i’m autistic before i got my diagnosis, despite working with other neurodivergent people and accepting them! It’s maddening.

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• But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Unlike planets, people with autism have indeed been born in the last few decades and were not always in existence like some shadow beings

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  • meliaesc@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    But there’s no way to measure if there’s an increase in autism, because it previously went undiagnosed.

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    • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I knew kids who for sure had it, and have a cousin who is severely autistic. That shit was rough back then, especially in a third world country, but I commend my aunt for raising him to live in the hard world he was born into, he’s 40 now and can hold down a job and has an apartment. It was hard for him but he made it. The other side of the coin is people in North America who have autistic kids, and stop pushing them intellectually and just go “he’s autistic, don’t push him or teach him to adjust and live, he’ll never get it ” mentality, or the “yay im autistic, how cool” mentality some young people have.

      Autism isn’t Super power it sucks

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Planets are also being created all the time. They didn’t just all form at once.

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