Veganism isn’t about respect for nature. It is a philosophy and way of living against animal cruelty and exploitation.
Congratulations on a legit shitpost.
Don't forget where we came from and what shaped us as a species. The Jungle.
Submitted 4 weeks ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Whoosh.
KomfortablesKissen@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
Vegans have to deal with arguments like this but unironically on the daily. That hits a nerve, wether it’s meant as a shitpost or not. Don’t take it personally.
nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Lmao. Look at OPs comments. They actually believe this shit. Based on all the other shitposts they post here and all throughout lemmy, they probably picked it up on reddit or some other trash site, thought it was funny, and came here to share.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Imagine making this literal exact comment under a post about black people committing a bunch of crime
“Remember this is a shitpost, and some level of inaccuracy is almost required. It’s the shit part of the post” under a 13/50 meme
brb@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
For me it’s 70% about trying to do something about climate crisis and 30% wanting to eat healthier
tomi000@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Lumisal@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Image Well if the ants can do it, why can’t we?
(Btw, I’m opposed to caged chicken egg cultivation, and even had my own chicken in the past before I couldn’t anymore for eggs. Now I just pay the premium and researched which were the most ethical eggs in the store available. Happy hens make better eggs anyway. I’m just pointing out we’re not the only ones that raise animals for consumption in nature).
Trumble@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
Why would what ants do have relevancy to what we should do?
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
ants can do it, why can’t we?
(Btw, I’m opposed to caged chicken egg cultivation
lol
Katana314@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I invented a fictional society for stories in which you are allowed to buy and consume meat, but only if you have a “carnivore’s medallion”. The only way to obtain one is to have witnesses observe you personally slaughter a living being (eg, a chicken) with no assistance.
Ideologically, seems like a good way to put friction on meat obsessions and get people to think about it.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
90% alive today would not eat meat if they had to kill. You can grow up used to it of course.
Machinist@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I like this idea. We’re raising chickens and probably rabbits this spring. If you’re going to eat meat, you should face the reality of the life you are consuming.
tomi000@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Sounds interesting.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
If they went to live naked in the woods and used their apex predator canines to tear out a deer’s jugular, I’m not judging.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
As much as I admire the morality and overall health of vegetarian/vegan folks, I would also super respect anyone who got all their protein by monstering whole live mice that they caught by hand.
FMT99@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’d support a “you can eat all the meat you can catch and kill with your bare hands” diet.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Our ancestors have been using sharp sticks, heavy sticks, and sharp rocks since they could walk upright, so I’d support that, too.
otb@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’m vegetarian and my partner is vegan but neither of us are strictly against the “hunter and gatherer” approach.
Where I live traditional hunting is almost nonexistent, but fishing and other ocean-based “hunting” (crabs, crays, oysters etc) is super popular. I’ve considered taking up spearfishing as it’s more intentional than throwing in a hook and dragging up whatever, and requires more (in my opinion) skill and nerve to pull off successfully. But even if I actually caught something the thought of cleaning it puts me off and I’d more than likely ruin it and waste a life for nothing.
No issues with anyone that can fairly catch and prepare their own meat for themselves, but I’ll stick to my tofu and seitan for now.
remon@ani.social 4 weeks ago
Great, now I have to replace all my beef with veal.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Vegans and vegetarians are not often more healthy than meat eaters. In fact a lot of them subsist mostly on junk food and ultra processed shit.
I dunno about their morals. For me it depends on whether they are opposed to meat because they think it’s murder (absurd notion: see op) or because they opposed the treatment of living animals in industrial meat farms, which is the real issue.
toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
However you gotta justify your choices I guess.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
OP’s argument is far more absurd than its strawman.
LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
We’re destroying the Amazon for cattle but haha birds eat rodents lmao gottem
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Yeah I like meat but that is a stupid argument unless you hunt all your meals yourself.
BigBenis@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’ll take “things actual vegans never say” for $500!
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
it’s not even a contradiction. One can respect something and not emulate it.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I for one have great respect for the ocean, and the brave people who risk their lives sailing across it. I’m fine here in kansas lol
Teppichbrand@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
The human brain is fueled by about 20% of your caloric intake. We’re evolved to be omnivorous. This isn’t prescriptive but descriptive. It’s going to take development to make vegan food delicious and something we want to eat (and then all the other features we want out of food: cheap, storage-safe, easy to prepare, etc.
For those of us who still eat a meat diet, it usually takes a chef to make something actually enjoyable from strictly vegetables. Otherwise, we’re used to receiving oddly-spiced bland much from our vegan friends. But we could do better if we were putting billions into it, and not the more-addictive cheeto.
But we live entrenched in capitalism, so no one is going to take this seriously until we’re already dropping dead from natural disasters and famine.
Teppichbrand@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
Wow, I asked for the bullshit and you seriously delivered! Not sure if I should take the time to reply to this, because would my effort change anything?
Everything you eat is vegan, except for the animal tissue, all milk-stuff and eggs. We don’t need capitalism to invent us vegan food, we fight it by eating fruits, nuts, legumes and vegetables, like we always did. It’s great for your body and for the planet as well!
Dogs are omnivores, pigs are, too. They eat a rotting squirrel if the feel like it, we die if our bleach-cleaned chicken isn’t in the freezer for half a day.
Damn, I just started replying.agavaa@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
No idea what you are talking about. I’m not even vegan, but I can make a delicious vegan meal without even trying. All my vegan friends make very tasty food, too. No need for billions.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
For those of us who still eat a meat diet, it usually takes a chef to make something actually enjoyable from strictly vegetables.
This is a joke, right? Have you ever tried pasta? Rice? Fruit?
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 4 weeks ago
In light of the west’s heavily animal-centric diets resulting in most of the top causes of death in these places, it’s not exactly accurate to call us omnivores. The centered on whole plant foods our diets are, the better off we are. Animal flesh, dairy, and eggs, at the very least, cannot be consumed without increasing progression and risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes (Ignoring a host of other harmful effects like cancer and autoimmune disorders, which is more contentious).
It would be more accurate to say that we are primarily herbivores, but with an incomplete and dangerous emergency system for omnivory.
noxypaws@pawb.social 4 weeks ago
For those of us who still eat a meat diet, it usually takes a chef to make something actually enjoyable from strictly vegetables.
chop brussels sprouts in half, toss with avocado oil with some salt and pepper, and air fry for 15-20 mins. toss some balsamic on em after they’re done.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The human brain is fueled by about 20% of your caloric intake.
That explains most of shit vegans spread.
remon@ani.social 4 weeks ago
Well, the first bullshit here is the word “purely”. That’s not correct. While they indeed have a mainly vegan diet, also opportunistically consume insects and even small mammels.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Preach. This is why every Mr. Olympia is filled to the brim, just like non-vegan dudes’ wives, with vegans. Boom. Nothing but power and rightness and winning. Bigger, stinger, smarter, righter, and better at internet discourse.
#micdrop
damnedfurry@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Where with all the animals if all went vegan now?
Why are the vegans sounding more like cavemen than the meat-eaters?
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
damnedfurry@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Where with all the animals if all went vegan now?
Why are the vegans sounding more like cavemen than the meat-eaters?
Saithe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
I feel like this is the “attack helicopter” joke of veganism
Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 weeks ago
Isn’t that every joke on veganism?
NIB@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Humans “i dont rape because i respect other humans”. Meanwhile nature …
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
But what about my sharp canine teeth? Check mate.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Telling boys to just go masturbate got us the Immorten Joe’s Warboys ^†^ that are the alt-right, that got Trump into power twice. The boys we told to literally go fuck themselves when they raged over their sexual frustration got us the army of militants and voters behind the white Christian nationalist movement. I was among them in the 1980s, when the society gave a meager few more fucks about them than they do in the twenty-first century.
I suspect similar movements exist through Europe, which is generally rejecting neoliberalism for fascist-thick movements towards one-party autocracy.
No, I don’t have a solution, and I’ve been working on it for thirty years. Christianity’s proscription against sex (later limited to non-reproductive sex) figures largely into the problem and it’s served so far as a sufficient distraction from class consciousness and effective response to industry’s effect on climate, and the imminent climate crisis.
We don’t have a way to let our young guys sow their wild oats, while we’re careening towards multiple great filters we are unprepared to navigate.
I know: 🧶📌📇
Maybe even: 🐰🎩🫖☕
And yet, very few people think about it, still. Those who do ponder the angry-young-men problem discount them as ineligible or feel they are too repugnant to civilized folk to consider. I’ve heard otherwise rational content creators actually say (I paraphrase) these guys were mistreated as kids and are now a societal problem. But they suck, so fuck those guys.
It might be a failing of the human species itself, that we are compelled to cast our young men out the way gorillas cast out their adolescent females (but welcome strange females), and capitalism intentionally only has limited seats where they can pick themselves up, so the system teaches them from the beginning to be aggressive, ruthless and transactional. Not to get completely nihilist, but maybe our capacity for civilization is limited and we just can’t overcome the paradigms that served us as migratory bands of hunter-gatherers.
In the meantime, our boys are taught they suck in our Christianity-heavy abstinence-only sex-ed, ^‡^ from which they descend into the incel movement, the manosphere, gamergaters, etc and from there into the transnational white power movement. Our society gave Trump his instant army, and it was ready for him the moment Trump went into politics. And our lack of interest or concern about the new batch of warboys we churn our from the US education system every year, is going to literally kill us all.
Just go vegan is going to end the same way, especially since the food industry cares not about actual nutrition but profit. Taking a page from Fourth International Posadism, we may have to end capitalism before we can create an ethical food production system (probably incorporating farming invertebrates as well as vegetables), but the problem right now is not what’s the end result ( Fully Automated Gay Space Communism ) but how the heck we get there and not crash and burn with the global ecology.
Totally open to ideas, but I’m not the guy you have to convince.
† Not to be confused with Warboyz of W4K fame.
‡ Twenty six states mandate abstinence-only sex ed, that stuff that teaches girls they are chewing gum, or someother one-use safety-sealed metaphor, and that boys aren’t allowed to think about sex until they have a salaried job and a ring. Seriously, this is still what is taught.
Three states mandate comprehensive sex ed: The west coast. And none of them require discussion of consent. (Some teachers include it anyway, as an elective topic). Of course, if we demanded opt-in consent in our sexual relationships, we might demand opt-in sex in our other contracts as well, say our jobs, our devices, our software, etc.
nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
you dont need to eat animal products.
you don’t know what anyone else needs
strawberrysocial@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I think the problem isn’t that we eat meat. It’s that we torture the animals and have them live in deplorable conditions before we eat them. If we all hunted or raised our own animals or had the animals live in decent conditions it would be less of an issue for most REASONABLE vegans and vegetarians. I used to be vegan and vegetation for a decade so I get it a bit. I hated it when anyone would bitch about other people’s food choices, but then complain when they did the same to them for their food choices. Both sides I mean. I had some non-veggies once they found out I didn’t eat meat would attack me for it. When I did start eating meat again some vegans and vegetarians would attack me for it.
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I know that the industry is horrific. I have battled internally with becoming a vegan. And this isn’t a but, it’s just something i thought about once when thinking about the argument that whilst in nature, animals eat other animals, its not the same as what we do as we farma dn torture animals to get the meat…
Its cats…
Cats torture their prey…
They play with it, and maim it and keep it alive for as long as possible so they can chase it, for fun…
And sometimes they just fucking leave it there when it dies.
And we love cats. Even vegans love cats.
And that sort of makes me laugh a bit.
cm0002@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Absolutely, the meat industry needs to be clamped down on hard
But, there are plenty of vegans who also rail against alternatives like lab grown beef which is still meat but bypasses all the problems with the meat industry of today
nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
we torture the animals
don’t do that
fnie@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Not a vegan, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard a vegan say that. We’ve all watched nature shows. Rationale is usually a little bit deeper. Overconsumption, abuse of animals in meat/dairy industries, responsibility of humans to aim for a higher level of morality than animals, etc. Sure some go overboard, but I wouldn’t underestimate the complexity of the thinking behind it.
udon@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Non-vegan, hearing that vegans exist: “Hey, these people are different from me! I hate them!”
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
It’s because the very existence of veganism implies that a) eating meat is harmful and b) you don’t need to eat meat. Omnivores have to argue against one or both of those claims, or acknowledge that they’re doing something wrong, and humans will commit a lot of evils to convince ourselves that we’re not doing anything wrong
“I’m a good person, good people don’t do bad things, therefore nothing I do is bad”
Teppichbrand@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
“Hey guys, check it out. I jus came up with this hilarious owl-meme!”
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
There are too many people for us all to hunt our own meat, and the same amount of farmland that can feed x amount of livestock can feed significantly more people than the livestock would.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Not all crops are created equal.
Crops intended for livestock are way easier to farm, require less water, less pesticides, and less taking care of.
Many times crops intended for livestock are a necessary part of rotatory crops.
Farming is not as easy as “you can grow anything in any given land”.
LordWiggle@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Our species were shaped as omnivores, meaning we have a choice of what we want to eat. Don’t forget where we don’t live anymore: the jungle. Just because we used to live in caves doesn’t mean we should live in caves now. Also, they didn’t have McDonald’s in the jungle.
nekbardrun@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
First and foremost: You are correct.
Now allow me to try to be funny: Well… Apartments are just pretty square-ish caves.
(Note that I said “try to be funny”)
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
excuse me the children yearn for the mines
niktemadur@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
So we domesticated fire, that’s one step out of the swamp and steppes.
Then there was agriculture and animal husbandry, we became sedentary.Writing developed, accelerating growth in the arts, math and engineering, the sciences… we had domesticated knowledge and memory - data storage.
Before we knew it, the printing press popped up and soon after we domesticated something abstract and invisible, awesome and truly fundamental - electromagnetism. That’s is the big game changer right there.
We have figured out our physical place in the universe.
We can image distant supermassive black holes, we have mapped the farthest, faintest reaches of the visible universe using the oldest light there is - the Cosmic Microwave Background (which started out as orange light 13.7 billion years ago).We are now in the process of harnessing sunlight and the wind; the genome; we can now even perform data operations using quantum superimposed electron states, harnessing the subatomic wave function itself.
Surely we can now domesticate protein chemistry. So many steps away from the swamp and steppes already, so far we can’t turn and go back again. What’s one more step?
Valmond@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Next step is extreme longevity IMO. Such a bummer people only have a couple of decades to perfect their skills before it all runs out in the sand.
Get me a lab grown steak any day though!
Majorllama@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Watch out the one vegan with the finger strength left to press the downvote button is gonna come for you.
Yareckt@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
Hawks eat meat cause they habe to. WE eat meat cause it’s delicious. The Hawks dies if there are too many Hawks in one feeding ground. The human fucks up his and everyone elses Habitat for centurys cause he’s too lazy to change.
DytallixB@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
This is for real shit post
Tikiporch@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Falcons didn’t fuck up by inventing tofu, so they have an excuse. We don’t.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 4 weeks ago
The survival of the fittest narrative was debunked almost as soon as it existed, and that debunking is what forms the ideological basis of mutual aid. That people continue to spread this toxic misinformation over a century later is a testament to the unfortunate tenacity of lies.
Even in the most brutal depths of the natural world, cooperation is still the overarching basis of ecosystem health. It’s known in Permaculture, for instance, that too much competition results in resource depletions.
A vegan ethic is inline with a growing awareness and need for us all to learn to expand our capacities of empathy and compassion, from those who are most like us, to those who are most unlike us.
On the topic of wilderness areas, vegans are divided on what the right approaches are. Some of us compare natural biomes to sovereign nations - while we dislike the harms that occur in those places, we feel a need to allow other species their independence to have their self-determination, if for no other reason than the fact that nature is the basis of maintaining a habitable planet, and interference in ecosystems should only be done with the utmost care.
But there are other vegans who do believe strongly that we should be intervening in wild places as well, with the goals of eliminating predation all together, and managing wildlife populations in more ethical ways.
It’s a highly contentious topic to be honest.
dx1@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The redditization of lemmy.world is finally complete. Congratulations.
noxypaws@pawb.social 4 weeks ago
Vegans: exist People like OP: how dare you make your own choices about your own life that don’t hurt anyone in any way whatsoever
Zahtu@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
Except its scientifically proven, that our possibility tonevolve was Not from Hunting, but agricultural Farming. But great Shitpost
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’m a vegetarian and also native. Humans have this weird hubris where they think they’re not part of the natural world. Humans are designed to be omnivores, meat jumpstarted our evolution. I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with eating meat, but what’s wrong is the ease and disregard for meat and the animals that provide it through the factory farming industry.
But at the end of the day there’s no more wrong with a person eating meat, than with that Hawk eating a mouse. We’re part of the circle. We just have the privilege to live in a time and place where not eating meat is a realistic choice
cybersin@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Some people just don’t feel comfortable killing and eating animals. Let people live their own lives.
Anyways, less people eating animal products leads to lower prices for those who do (you).
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Oh wow OP, I didn’t know you were a hunter!
Or are you just a sweaty fatso that posts trash boomer memes and gets meat delivered and wrapped in plastic?
Yeah, thought so.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Imagine being this much of a naive child.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
Ah yes, the anti-vegan. Nearly as annoying as the vegan.
I have the same advice for you as I have for vegans: let people eat what they want to eat, mind your business, and keep your preferences to yourself unless you’re asked.
That said there is some irony here because you’re framing this as unreasonable, but we do this all the time with other humans. As an outsider you should treat members of a group differently than they treat each other - unless you’re saying white people should be allowed to drop N bombs lol
tino@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
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does this look natural to u?
cm0002@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I can side with the vegans that the meat industry needs to be clamped down on hard
But eating meat in of itself is not wrong, that is what is natural
flamingos@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
There are plenty of things that are ‘natural’ that are wrong to do, why is eating meat any different?
Zwiebel@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
coherent_domain@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
Yes, but most people in the west don’t have the option to eat meat that are not from the meat industry.
That is exactly why vegan is attractive in the west.
threshold_dweller@lemmy.today 4 weeks ago
Murder and rape are also “natural.”
tomi000@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
99% of vegans dont say eating meat in itself is wrong and this bullshit narrative needs to stop
BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
Yo this seems to be a bad take
I think something that defines humanity is that we really try not to follow the “rules of nature”, ie. the rule of the stronger over the weaker
Desistance@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yeah, I wash shocked to find out that Squirrels hunted and ate smaller mice when they felt the urge.
anzo@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
If you prefer to live a natural life, be my guest. Go ahead, live by your logic as you expect from others. Hunt, kill, and process your own food ;)
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
What ever horror humanity has done, we are still holding the beer of invertebrates.
And yet nature’s is is not a justification for aught. The fruit of the tree of wisdom (mythically) gave us empathy that we may live in harmony with neighbors, and in the late game, we have learned the imperative to see value in the fallow wilds.
A century ago, a vegan diet for humans as extremely difficult, possibly impossible. And to quote Saruman the forests will burn in the fires of industry! And they have.
We are not a vegan culture today because the food industry focuses on sales and profits, not on nutrition and health.
Though to be fair our massive land-hungry industrial farms will affect the biomes around them regardless of whether we grow plants or ranch livestock. Veganism is part of a solution towards a more harmonious civilization, but misses several pieces.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
What the crap is this response?