Don't forget where we came from and what shaped us as a species. The Jungle.

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• lengau@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s way easier for me to have a vegetarian diet when I’m eating at home. At restaurants the vegetarian options almost always contain the one thing I’m allergic to, so I often have no choice but to eat meat when I go out.

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• WrenFeathers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  So, after reading a lot of the comments, I figured I’d offer my two cents:

  What I eat depends on what I feel I need at the moment a lot more than what I’m in the mood for. And because of this, I try to eat as healthily as possible and as a result- it usually ends up being on the vegetarian side of things. Think pastas, fruits/veggies, etc. occasionally though, it’s a burger, or something meat-based.

  What I don’t do however, is spend any time at all being concerned with what others chose to eat because it has no relevance to me whatsoever.

  For the life of me I cannot understand why this is a thing that matters so deeply to so many people when there are FAR more important things to worry about.

  If vegans don’t want to eat meat, who cares? They are happy with it. Leave them alone! It’s their choice, their diet- and none of your business.

  If someone wants to eat a cheeseburger, who cares? They are happy with it. Leave them alone! It’s their choice, their diet- and none of your business.

  The sooner we all stop actively participating in the habits and interests of others unsolicited, the sooner we can start taking on some of the things that actually matter.

  /rant.

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    If someone wants to eat a steak, who cares?

    The cow

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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      >inb4 some room temperature IQ replies with “are you really equating eating meat with slavery?”

      No, slavery is worse than animal agriculture. That doesn’t mean that animal agriculture isn’t wrong for the same reasons that slavery is. You’re driving a demand for unnecessary harm to be done to sentient beings for a product you don’t need to survive.

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  • tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What omnivores eat should actually matter to vegans because theyre responsible for many deaths and suffering, which many see as their obligation to oppose. Funny how its mostly the other way around.

    Imagine people going around raging about how you dont beat your wife and kids or dont rape and kill children.

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    • Deme@sopuli.xyz ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Also the environmental impacts. I don’t own a huge polluting coal powerplant that is actively contributing to fucking up the planet that I live on, and as such I’m still allowed to criticise them. Why should the meat industry be any different?

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    • WrenFeathers@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      As I already stated, I’m not getting baited into a morality debate.

      If you don’t like eating meat- don’t eat it, but leave others alone about. It’s not your business what they choose to eat.

      This isn’t about beating kids, or raping children, and I don’t appreciate the disgusting false equivalency you feel you need to use in order to make a point.

      So here’s an actual equivalency:

      Imagine people going around and telling you that you have to do something you don’t want to do because of their belief. Like for instance….

      forced birth.

      This is simply a dietary version of pro choice. You should be free to eat how you feel you need to in order to satisfy your needs, as well as your moral code- provided it remains within the limits of the law. EVERYONE should have this freedom. Even if you or I don’t like it.

      So maybe leave people alone about it and put that energy towards something that has a better chance of success

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  • alekwithak@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Not vegan, but to play the vegan’s advocate—vegans are acutely aware of the level of cruelty in the factory farm system, as well as it’s affect on the environment and don’t want to partake in those systems of harm and taking without consent. To them, it’s not just a dietary choice but an ethical stance against suffering and exploitation. To someone who sees the life of a cow as just as sacred and important as a human’s, you can imagine why it would upset them to see you eating a steak. Just like you might be upset if you saw someone eating a dog or a fellow human. To them there’s no difference.

    It’s similar to how evangelical Christians genuinely believe they’re trying to save people from eternal damnation when they get preachy. Just as annoying. The difference is that one is rooted in observable reality—documented animal suffering, environmental damage, and ethical concerns—while the other is a matter of ‘faith.’ and the latter is given a lot more leeway. So when vegans speak out, it’s not necessarily about policing your diet; it’s about trying to reduce harm in a world where harm is often hidden or normalized. And for what it’s worth I have known a lot of vegans and not one of them was ever preachy or judgemental, in fact most tend to keep it to themselves because vegans are so often the subject of ridicule, the butt of played out jokes, or made to host a session of 20 questions and feigned health concerns from people who eat nothing but processed meat and carbs.

    I believe everyone should be able to do and live as they want as long as it doesn’t interfere with anyone else’s ability to do the same, and I can fully understand how to a vegan someone eating a steak would break that rule.

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    • WrenFeathers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      And if a vegan wants to help that by obtaining from animal based products, that’s awesome for them! But they don’t need to be telling others how to live their lives.

      They can make an effort to put the info out there, and do their part by staying true to their belief, but they have no authority to tell others how to eat.

      That’s all I’m saying.

      I will not debate the moral implications as that is not relevant to the point I’m making and is a different discussion altogether.

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• some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Actually, I believe current thinking is that we came from grassland, hence the advantage of upright walking.

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  • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Depends on how far you go back. Grasslands came after jungles/forests.

    Based on some of our traits (nose shape good for diving, can control our breathing voluntarily, fingers get more grippy when wet, lack of fur), we might have even been semi-aquatic for a while.

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    • poplargrove@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Source on the semi-aquatic part? Looking it up only brings up the aquatic ape hypothesis which is pseudoscience.

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• OrteilGenou@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  And the angel of the lord came unto me Snatching me up from my place of slumber And took me on high and higher still Until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own Midwest And as we descended cries of impending doom rose from the soil One thousand nay a million voices full of fear And terror possessed me then And I begged Angel of the Lord what are these tortured screams? And the angel said unto me These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard Tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat Like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!

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  • Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The first time I ever heard this was the night that album released. Lived in a house in Cape Coral Florida with a few member of a band I was in, and a few members of another band I was in as roommates.

    We were absolutely wasted one night, and when the album ended, no one wanted to get up and start it over or put on something else… so we all just sat there.

    And then, after a looooong silence, IT started playing….

    No one moved an inch. We were absolutely floored! Minds were blown that night. Such a good memory!

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    • Machinist@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I was sitting around stoned out of my gourd with a coworker (pizza delivery). We were listening to music with the stereo way up and he played this album. He was watching me when it started, kept a straight face through it, died laughing when it got to rabbits wearing glasses. Damn, that’s a good memory.

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• RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I read The Jungle in highschool. Not good book about food.

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• FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Don’t get all logical with vegans, their heads may explode.

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  • yesman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    OP’s argument is a fallacy so common it has a formal name. But I don’t want to get “all logical” and put anyone’s scalp at risk.

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    • transitinoir@slrpnk.net ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Which fallacy are you talking about in this case? Like that consciously choosing not to eat meat as an individual does not mean being against all meat consumption?

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• ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Plants can cry/scream. Checkmate, plant eaters.

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    So does my phone when the battery is low. Do you reckon I’m hurting it by not plugging it in right now?

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• HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  nom

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