Submitted 1 month ago by moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to [deleted]
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not helping lemmy’s extremist-leaning reputation guys
Actual fascists mirroring Hitler’s rise to power prior to WW2, using the same rhetoric of violence toward out-groups, a tyrant failing to be prosecuted under the law even though he was convicted of 34 felonies, going through the entire system with nothing to show for it, and you dumb fucking “centrists” still feel like things can be fixed through the utterly broken fucking system we’ve created.
Get your heads out of your fucking asses.
No. You’re wrong. You’re absolutely wrong in this instance and you need to stop. Do not protect nazis. Ever. Full stop.
If you’re not going to help then at least for the love of fucking god get out of the way.
His address is public domain. I’m sure he has an unlisted number, so that would be a violation of privacy.
My guy let me spell it out for you, you fucking dumbass.
LITERAL NAZIS CAN ROT IN HELL. That’s it. You afford them nothing.
His address, my choice
Bold thing to say when your house is flammable.
A screenshot I saw somewhere.
The screenshot I saw explained that the person that posted it said “Your house, my choice” and it just goes so fucking hard.
Hes probably like “your body my choice” so its only a somewhat fair trade.
He did tweet that.
Pointing out who the Nazis are and where to find them isn’t extremist.
Telling other people to commit premeditate murder is.
I didn’t tell anybody to commit murder. I’m just watching hopefully.
Anti-fascist action is self-defense.
Being tollerant of an extremist (nazi or fascist) is just plain stupid.
Great! Totally agree. Can you guys make a forum or something separate from Lemmy where you post all of the assassination plans or whatever it is you do?
I’d rather the Lemmy admins not getting arrested day one of Trump’s presidency.
We’re about to see a fascist america, and this is what you’re worried about?
Do you also feel bad for the Nazis in pre-war germany who got harmed? Or even killed? Chances are you don’t
Our world is about to become very different to what we’re used to. Get ready for it. Playing nice won’t win you the war
It should be everywhere.
And don’t come to me with the bullshit ‘tolerance paradox’. Tolerance is not a human right. It’s a clause of a societal contract and whoever start by breaking the contract is no longer covered by it.
Nazis get punched and nazis get doxxed.
Wait am I just misunderstanding what the Tolerance Paradox is?
My read of the Tolerance Paradox is that it’s Ok to punch Nazis because if you render yourself unwilling to participate in violence, there are others who will happily do it for (to) you.
The tolerance paradox is the idea that the one thing tolerant people cannot tolerate is intolerance. Doing so allows intolerance to take root and potentially win because it’s unopposed. Which I agree with. Where I split from some people in this and other threads is believing that not tolerating intolerance = killing those you consider intolerant. I grant you only said punching, but if people start beating people en masse (and a lot of people are considered Nazis nowadays) it’s going to escalate very quickly.
Oh won’t someone please think of the poor nazis?
Liberals and fascists, name a more iconic duo
Pro-violence Lemmy users and power fantasies.
I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that if/when violence breaks out, a few people will die.
There are two stages when doing with Nazis.
In the first stage: mock the ever loving shit out of Nazis. Nazi thrive on being making people afraid of them. Hard for people to he afraid of you when everyone is mocking you.
Glitter bomb, flaming bags of poop, toilet paper, egg the Fuentes house. Draw penises on the walls. The more juvenile the prank, the better. Hard to be afraid of someone when they have massive penis spray painted on the garage door.
Second stage kicks in when Nazis start getting violent. Kick those fuckers right in the crotch. Stop them from being able to breed.
There’s a third.
Nazis are bred in religion, where they’re taught authoritarianism is morality. How do you kick them in the religion?
Fuck Illinois Nazis
Fuck Nazis
I hate illinois nazis.
I might get hate for this… But do we want stoop their level? Also, doxxing is also illegal in most countries.
It aint stooping to their level its embracing tradition, which is to say the proud tradition of shooting fascists, Pinkertons, lawmen, and annoying as fuck cultists.
You will get hate for it, but not because you’re wrong. Also, while doxing is legal in the US if it’s just posting a person’s details like address, it becomes illegal if it’s used for things like intimidation and inciting violence.
To people advocating violence in this thread - let’s just ignore the immorality of convincing civilians to assault and kill other civilians. It’s clear that vigilantism falls within your ethical boundaries and you are unrepentant about it. So instead:
I’m not defending fascist trash like Fuentes, but I am opposing these calls for his death at the hands of angry internet “warriors”. Instead of telling everyone to kill their fellow citizens, how about protesting and visibly showing support for the women and minorities being targeted? How about making sure every American knows about measures like Gavin Newsom “Trump-proofing” California, or all the people and states already setting up legal challenges to things like mass deportations. What about making sure people know the Pentagon is furiously planning to resist and delay controversial orders? I assure you the Pentagon, state authorities and civil liberties organizations have far more effective and legal plans than angry Lemmy users convinced they’re going to punch and kill their way to a safe nation.
Your points were a little wordy, but I think I can summarize this pretty succinctly:
he could not, in fact, summarize it
In a nutshell: If they hit one side of your face, turn the other cheek. Repeat it until both your face fucking hurts and they think it’s violent of you instead not kneeling down, not spreading your arms wide open, not putting your tongue between your teeth, not lifting your chin, so they could just kick your chin while holding you down, until you eventually bite off your tongue. Maybe after that, they will have remorse and not continue kicking you to death on the ground.
They already have “violent vigilante rhetoric”. They send bomb threats to anyone remotely pro-LGBTQ+, because some Jewish collaborant told them they’re grooming kids by their mere existence. The moral high ground won’t save any of us.
You know one of the reasons why they’re calling us “cucks”? Because we will take the moral high ground every time they hit a new low, including on positions we have never really hold. Remember all the “why are you so intolerant of intolerance?” posts? That caused many of us to just go full out tolerant of nazis, to not appear “anti free speech”, which for them means “free from criticism and with a guaranteed audience”, not “free expression until you don’t hurt others”. Hell, at the end days of my “nihilistic edgelord” phase, if I wanted to joke about Stalin alongside of Hitler, I got called out on the former, because the latter “only killed 600 000 (!) people”. (A number from a then common and dumb holocaust denialist theory of “they accidentally put one extra zero there”)
In a nutshell
In a nutshell you don’t understand effective resistance, just violence. Your whole paragraph is little more than torture porn - likely because you can’t argue with my specific points intellectually so you want to appeal to extremes of emotion.
Think. What do you suppose will accomplish more to slow and stop Trump? The Pentagon, state governments, courts, and civil right organizations with their legal challenges and administrative knowledge? Or a couple hundred Lemmy warriors “storming” Chicago hunting podcasters and fascists of Ohio who’ll they’ll magically identify and slaughter because they’re supheroes apparently? And that’s assuming all of you aren’t just talking just talking tough because it makes you feel good, which has odds of very slim to none at all. Even -if- you could and actually would, do not sabotage real efforts towards foiling Trump by killing people. If a civil war breaks out and it’s combatants vs. combatants that’s different, but you’re trying to be the WW2 Allies without the army or mandate.
They already have “violent vigilante rhetoric”.
“They’re evil so I should be allowed to do it too.” Let’s forget morality issues - in the context of murdering people like podcasters it doesn’t even make sense because it will accomplish almost nothing and cause a host of problems. Let’s say miracles are real - you aren’t full of crap, you don’t get caught or killed, and you actually go kill Fuentes or someone else like him. What do you honestly think the right’s response is going to be? “Oh crap, we better stop hating”? Creating martyrs and millions of angry, fearful people with guns is not the path to a safe nation.
You know one of the reasons why they’re calling us “cucks”?
Oh no, the incels and fascists on the extreme right don’t like me! …Are you really trying to tell me you’re upset about their insults? They can say whatever they want about me. Hell, you can too. I’m going to sleep just fine tonight without the approval of short-sided murder fetishists, regardless of whether their your guys or Trump’s.
I dont think violence is generally demanded here though a certain amount of roleplaying is necessary to make it feel genuine. It is more that people want him to understand how it feels to have violence towards you a very real possibility because someone is painting a target on your back. Fuentes him self wont resort to violence mainly because he is just a cowardly manipulator and will never be a part of the mob (unless for occasional show). I think it is useful for such mob behaviour enablers to understand how it feels to be on the other end of the stick.
His house, the people’s choice. The information being available just allows people to make an informed decision of whether or not to use it, and in what way.
I’ve been labelling a bunch of people in this thread, mostly with “likes doxxing”, but you my friend get “LOVES doxxing”. Congrats 🎉
Oh no a literal Russian asset might see some semblance of repercussions.
That’s so horrible
Damn right it is lmao
People always sleepvon the Midwest, but we go hard out here man.
Gotta love the decentralized aspect of lemmy
If it’s not right for them, it’s not right for us. I understand there are times when a person’s opinions deserve harsh criticism, but providing information that may result in real-world violence is different.
They are literally gathering lists of out-grouos and minroties right now. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.
I don’t care about their safety anymore. They don’t care about mine. What’s that phrase they like to regurgitate? FAFO?
Man, some of the takes here make me sad. Thanks to those who upvoted the idea that ethics don’t change when someone is sure they’re right in changing them “this time”. I want to be clear - I’m not painting all or even most Lemmy users with this brush. However, what I’m seeing lately is such a disconnect to me: “Woke snowflakes aren’t people” “Women are property” “Hamas (aka all Palestinians) aren’t people” = outrage at the dehumanization (very rightfully so). But then: “Trump voters are Nazis and Nazis aren’t people” “The people who didn’t vote or voted 3rd party are just as bad as them” = upvotes, “they don’t deserve rights” and “when they suffer it will be justice” comments.
This election broke people, and I really don’t like how readily some who claim to be ethical are supporting what seems to me to be hate speech by way of dehumanization. If Trump had lost and his followers were saying similar things but pointed it at “woke leftists” or “communists”, you all would be incredibly upset (rightfully so). Even though the Trumpers saying those things would truly think they were saving their country, the way some people here seem to think they are.
The moment you see people who voted for Harris assaulting third-party voters, you let me know. Some of the takes are over the top, but where they’re coming from is completely understandable. Dehumanization is an attempt to rationalize away empathy to prevent guilt and trauma from what people think is the fight to come.
The moral high road is littered with the corpses of people who tried to fight fair. In self-defense, there are 2 rules: a battle not fought is a battle won, and, if you have to hurt a man, hurt him so bad that you need never fear his vengeance.
If doxxing a couple of assholes like this is enough to intimidate the bigots who are now emboldened to attack and rape people and save even a few lives, then it’s worth it - we’ve solved things with rule number one. If it doesn’t stop them, then fyi: the back of the eye socket is thin enough to push through with your thumb and into the brain behind it. There’s no such thing as “fighting dirty” when it comes to survival. There’s no room for mercy when somebody is trying to kill you, and these people have tried before and say that they’re going to try again.
We all hope it doesn’t come to that, but it is better to be prepared and not need it than to wish you had it when the jackboots are stomping on you. And when somebody has told you who they are, you believe them. If it quacks like a Nazi, swims like a Nazi, and goose-steps like a Nazi, then it ain’t a duck.
Ok, I believe you are sincere and appreciate the perspective. There’s a difference between doxing Nick Fuentes, and doxing every trump voter. (In my opinion)
Do you believe violence can ever be considered justified? If you are a pure dogmatic pacifist, I believe your position is logically consistent.
If not: what circumstances can justify violence? Can the police or the military act within morality? Is justice defined by law or outcome?
If the state is unable or unwilling to protect a marginalized group of people, at what point does it become moral to defend themselves?
Die mad about it 🤷♂️
They probably want to stay and steer their fellow citizens away from violent crimes and towards resisting in ways that don’t make them look like murderous stalkers. Why don’t you leave? If the country is awful enough to justify these crimes, you’re still free to do so. You said so yourself.
Sounds like we all should move to where you’re at. Where do you live?
I think admins should do whatever is necessary to comply with their local laws, and that’s all I’ve got to say about that.
Wait, you’re acting like it’s a bad thing
Who? I’m not American if that helps.
No worries, I’m Canadian and I had to look it up. Nick Fuentes is one of the online shitheads orbiting the societal plunge into open hatred. “Nicholas Joseph Fuentes (born August 18, 1998) is an American far-right political pundit and live streamer who promotes white supremacist, misogynistic, and antisemitic views.” Apparently he’s so vile even other Republicans are torn about associations with him - more in that article.
white supremacist named Nicholas Joseph Fuentes
There’s just no way the right don’t see the irony.
Is he the guy that came up with the phrase, “Your body, my choice”?
lol, He’s 27? Who listen to this asshat?
Yes, Every nonAmerican helps just a little. Thank you.
American and don’t know who he is either
Yeah fuck that guy. You make your bed you sleep in.
I dont know what all of this about and im quite happy about it
Kinda cool to be in the front row seat tho ngl
That’s up to each instance admin to decide.
Who?
A literal neo-nazi. He was on Infowars with NazYe too.
I don’t get that. Doesn’t Fuentes realize Kanye is black? Doesn’t Kanye realize Fuentes is a white supremacist? Why are they in cahoots?
Right wing influencer who who tweeted out “Your body, my choice” in response to the abortion issue.
Have you reported it?
Mod here. This is pretty cut and dry:
No doxxing.
Please report any and all instances of such behavior so it can be promptly removed.
This thread is now locked.
Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Doxxing Nazis is just as bad as the Nazis, you guys.” 🤡
GrymEdm@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Disingenuous. The Lemmy users supporting doxing him aren’t leaving it at that. They aren’t even suggesting just protesting his house. From the thread where he’s doxed:
In this thread:
Do you believe all those quotes are advocating legal things? We’re 4 days past the election and people are already talking vigilante violence.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 month ago
Fuentes has deliberately and specifically doxxed people, karma is a bitch, end of discussion.
Am I going to burn his house down?
No, I hate driving.
But I hope he’s fucking scared that someone will so he can taste what it feels like.
thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I get your point but this is kind of a pro-punching-Nazis group of people and I don’t think you are likely to change many people’s minds lol
Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We can see how well just trying to vote them away is working. Fascists use violence to silence adversaries. All they understand is violence. You will never “moral high ground” a fascist into understanding the error of their ways.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I’m sorry, but when you smugly tell half the country that you’re going to do as you please to their bodies, you get what you get.
True. Jury Nullification is 100% legal and very cool, especially if used to protect anti-fascist action.
Counterpoint: Smash every window on different days.
A: “No.”
Imagine actually thinking this. From the sound of it, just identifying who a Nazi is a step too far. I guess we should just ignore them and never sound the alarms about it and just let them do what they want?
A: “Never once”
“I shidded and farded out my doo doo ass”
If you want to have safety and security in life, don’t position yourself as a direct threat to the fundamental liberties and freedoms enjoyed by more than half the nation.
Paradox of tolerance. You cannot tolerate intolerance. Intolerance must be destroyed.
Hell yeah.
Good point. I’ll adjust my view on this: “Nazis get
punchedshot and Nazis get doxxed”. I’d rather see dead Nazis than dead people.This is true, and they’re betting big on us not being willing to use it like they will. Prove them wrong.
There are like 500 movies where this is the literal moral of the story. Go watch Inglorious Basterds or League of Ungentlemanly Warfare and consider how unpopular you really think this rhetoric is. People respond to it like they do cartoon violence: no humans are harmed.
Hell, Wolfenstein 3D, the first ever FPS, avoided controversy by making the game about killing Nazis. It was basically kid-friendly.
WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Sure - he might be actively pushing for a series of genocides, and he might be a significant recruitment tool to advance those genocides, but pushing back against the death of millions of people with anything more than colourful language would be immoral.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.