Same with being disabled, growing up I thought disabled people just got helped by everyone in society with everything. Turns out most of the time it’s “do what you were doing before except harder.”
Being poor is expensive
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starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Syndication@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Or if you’re too mentally ill and in so much pain that working is hard but society deems you worthless
jdr@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
The secret is to already have a job that doesn’t notice you’re not working
Trex202@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Capitalism deems them unexploitable, they still have worth in society
Dookieman12@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
This is what I point out whenever someone tries to tell me, “The only fair thing in life is everyone gets 24 hours in a day.”
That doesn’t mean shit when someone with a private jet can be on a different continent in hours.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
“We all have the same 24 hours in a day”
I fucking hate that saying so much. I’ve started telling people just because you and everyone else at the marathon might have the same 23 miles to go, when 9/10 of you are shackled to a heavy steel ball, and at least half are dragging 2 or 3, then that distance means fuck all.
red_tomato@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A marathon isn’t that hard. Just buy a car!
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Someone to prepare your meals and do your shopping and run your kids around. All of these things take time that adds up in a week.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You know what’s also wild?
Paying for a blue checkmark on Twitter.
grinning_serpent@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Giving No Kings vibes.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Being poor is super expensive. When you don’t have enough money in your bank account they’ll charge you a monthly fee. When you’re too poor to have an account, you have to go to a check cashing place and pay to get paid. Too poor to have awesome credit? You have to pay higher interest fees and larger deposits.
coolie4@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve never understood check cashing places.
I thought people only went to them because they didn’t want to wait for checks to clear, or they didn’t want a paper trail on a checking account, because it would get automatically garnished for child support.
Are you saying that someone could actually be so poor that a bank will refuse them from opening a checking account? What risk is there to the bank if it goes empty?
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
One thing is financial literacy.
A lot of people come from a cycle of poverty where no one around them can explain why it’s a good idea to have a bank account.
Also, there are predatory banks that demand minimum amounts to start any account. If you don’t have $200.00 to start an account it’s hard to start an account.
Back in the day, banks encouraged little kids to start bank accounts with just a few dollars. I had a bank book when I was 12. Those days are long gone. I went to Bank of America with a check from a BOA account and they wanted to charge me. I could wait to get to my own bank, but other folks wouldn’t have that option.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Credit Unions for example require a share purchase usually so while it’s usually quite small some people can’t afford to loose even $5.
Sometimes it’s also debt, guy owes his normal bank a fuckload of money so uses the cash checking to cash his check, he might lose a bit in fees but it’s probably less than what the bank would of taken. I’ve seen alot of contractors in this situation.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Ive cashed paychecks at one point using these placss. I dont think I had a bank account at the time. I dont remember why. And I used to cash them at Stop n Shop, a grocery store. They would do it for a small fee. Then one day, they said they wouldnt cash my checks anymore, because my credit was bad? It made no sense to me at the time.
So for about a year, I used the local sketch ball check cashing place.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They don’t want to risk people overdrafting and just changing banks.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Banks have a separate system, like the credit rating system, they use just for depositors. Credit scores reflect the risk to lend money to you. But the banks keep other scores and lists of depositors. Too many overdrafts or transactions their AI considers suspicious? You can be blacklisted from opening an account at any bank.
jdr@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
There’s not a high risk of making much money off then, so it’s considered a waste of time and resources
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are you saying that someone could actually be so poor that a bank will refuse them from opening a checking account?
Most banks only require a nominal initial deposit (something on the order of $20) in order to open a free account.
If you really don’t have any money other than your paycheck, you can open that bank account…with the check you need to deposit.
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When you’re too poor to have an account, you have to go to a check cashing place and pay to get paid.
Use that check to open a bank account. Virtually every bank will give you a free account if you deposit your paycheck with them.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s not true if you have bad enough credit or are a migrant worker. There’s an entire check cashing industry based on taking advantage of people who can’t get bank accounts and charging outrageous fees.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I’ve known people to be on hold for 6-8 hours for multiple days with the local food stamp office without being able to get in touch with anyone. At one point the automatic message when you called was ‘too many people are calling, hang up.’
sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Poverty is more expensive than anything any millionaire or billionaire could buy. Fuck the rich.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
The biggest punishment you could enact on those monsters is to knock them all the way down to working class.
They couldn’t cut it in the real world, with a real job. They’d lose their mind having to respect anyone else.
Who knows, it could even possibly reform them.
vrek@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
The other thing is how expensive being poor is. Laundry is like 3 dollars a load last I checked. Buy cheap shoes, expect them to last 6 months max. There are food options if you have time to cook but combined with the original poster you won’t and you don’t have transportation so delivery is only option…
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
$3 a load? Whoa.
It takes about $17 for a single load at the laundromats near me, both washing and drying. Going once a week, that’s over $800 a year.
Which is one reason I’ve started washing clothes in a 5-gallon (about 19 liters) bucket at home. It sucks, but it saves me money and I get a work out from it. I’d like to get a small machine, but where I live it wouldn’t be safe to have packages sitting outside all day and I try to avoid big box stores, so I feel pretty screwed.
Capybara_mdp@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
You might want to look into “portable washing machines” - they’re under 100$ comes in a small box and are good for things like socks and undies. Regarding the packages, if they are shipping with ups, theres a service where you can choose an alternative delivery location, usually a place like a corner store, or with fedex, a print shop.
vrek@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Wtf 17 dollars? The laundry mats around me are like 3 dollars to wash and free dry.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
wringing out clothes from a tub is absolutley the first thing I did that lead the my carpal tunnel.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Is there an Amazon Locker near you? Those are pretty handy for safe package holding.
Zephorah@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
The time theft has a far reach. I’ve worked with kids who’ve gone inpatient for mental health, acting out in school, etc. Why? Because mom isn’t there. It’s not willful neglect. It’s neglect through not neglecting her motherly duties by working 2-3 jobs to keep the lights on and shoes on her child’s feet.
Time is a key reason we need to be paid more, have a much higher minimum wage, though it isn’t often mentioned.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Minimum wage isn’t going to cut it anymore. We need UBI.
Democracy is the idea that political authority is derived from the people. The government’s power to levy taxes and conduct its business is taken from We The People; We The People should be fairly compensated for the use of that power. We should each be paid a citizenship dividend of 75% of the current poverty level, before we put a single hour on the clock.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Below current poverty levels? We’ve already got the technology to provide for everyone according to their needs.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
That’s it right there. The politicians are always rambling “We need jobs.”
No. We need money, which might come from decent jobs.
“Jobs for jobs’ sake” is how we have mental health crises from countless practically-parentless households because everybody’s desperately, constantly working in needlessly stressful conditions.
Jobs are why most of us have no meaningful connections shortly after our highest level of schooling, because everyone’s on wacky schedules and has no time for anyone but whomever they happen to be stuck working with.
Jobs gave us broken homes and skyrocketing suicide rates.
Jobs can shove right off, for all they’ve taken from us.
Zephorah@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
I was fortunate. We were considered poor but not so poor that mom wasn’t home with us. Thrift clothes and homemade clothes (a very cheap option in the 80s) got us teased mercilessly, but the parents were present.
There have been articles lately about the young generations aging faster. It’s always been noteworthy in medicine. People, on the worst case scenarios, looking 60 when they’re 40. Not from outdoor life but just hard life. Given the overt stress the younger gen’s are under on all sides it fits.
ytg@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Not exactly the tweet, but dropping this again here because of the title.
The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. … A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. … But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
This was the Captain Samuel Vimes ‘Boots’ theory of socio-economic unfairness.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This might not apply anymore though since it seems capitalism found out about it and companies realized they could make the $50 boots as trash as the $10 boots and the rich wouldn’t think twice about throwing them out at the same rate so the two options now are spending $10 a year or $50 a year on boots
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Its ultimately the lack of economic flexibility.
When us poors run into trouble, we have to deal with it immediately, without a chance to plan for it or save up for it or make other arrangements, so we have to buy the cheap boots, because we don’t have the financial buffer to absorb the impact of the 50 dollar boots on our budgets, even knowing it will save us money in the long run.
cymbal_king@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The SiFi movie “In Time” staring Justin Timberlake is meh quality wise, but the premise is really interesting… That the currency of that universe is the time someone has left to live. They do an interesting job playing with how wealth inequality changes behavior of people with and without time to spare
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It’s a good movie, it just could have been done way better.
jenings@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Time poverty is a totally real and utterly overlooked hindrance
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
One example I can think of is in the woodworking/DIY work I do. A common frustration of DIY projects is you often end up making many many trips to hardware stores. Often they’re not even big runs, you just need an item to continue the project. You absolutely need it, and it doesn’t matter if you’ve already been the the store twice today.
One way to reduce this problem is to buy more than you need. I once built a dust collection system out of PVC pipe and fittings. When starting, I went and bought way more parts than I knew I would need. I can afford to do this, and I knew that I would end up returning a good number of them. And I made sure to buy from a place with easy returns. But when working on a big project, I’ll happily by 20-50% more of something than I’ll need, just to reduce the number of emergency trips back to the hardware store. Saves so much time to just buy way more than you need and then return all the extras at the end of the project.
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I enjoy the design aspect so I spend extra time challenging myself to make it in one run. I sketch everything up in detail and treat it like design me is handling the project of to diy’er me. Unexpected things that can’t really be seen don’t count like rotted joists, missing insulating, or other sub surface stuff but if project manager me fails I have to buy contractor me beer, if project manager me nails it then we celebrate with beer.
It makes things more fun for me but being able to afford what you’re talking about is a very valid point it just inspired me to share the mental game I play on myself to make things more enjoyable.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It’s ruinning my friendships. I can’t even fully be there for peolle, and they resent that.
yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fun napkin math fact: If we divvied up the top… 5 wealthiest billionaires net worth… that’d get every living man, woman, and child a cool $250 ish.
Sure - its not very much but it certainly does make you think. What if…
vivalapivo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
The idea of wealth redistribution is in stripping power from the very rich. If you are rich, you influence politics in a way that benefits you by not caring about others.
The problem with Bill Gates’ poly vaccine in Africa is not in the fact that it didn’t save children, in fact it did. The problem is that measles takes more children’s lives in Africa by an order of magnitude and measles vaccination would’ve saved much more.
Now add to the picture the recent decisions: internet surveillance (age verification), ignoring the Paris agreement, data centers built everywhere. I guess a lot of people would oppose these, but their voices are not heard.
yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mentioned this a moment ago as a different reply but your observations are all examples of a feedback loop perpetuating itself. Its certainly correctable. This isnt the first time it happened nor will it be the last. Its a product of some of the uglier parts of the human condition.
Absolute power corrupts - and those in power will not only seek to keep that power bit increase it. They consolidate it. Less people with power: less opposition. But this has diminishing returns… and has reset trap baked in. How? Numbers. Power moves people. As you concentrate power - you have less people to move and more people opposing that movement.
1 billionaire, 8 billion people. What do you do to maintain that power? Surveillance. Draconian rules. Control the narrative and paint yourself as necessary. The power dynamic is reaching a tipping point. Unrelated: I recall there seems to be an uptick in bunkers being built by the ultra wealthy. Puzzling.
Sound familiar? It should. History is littered with example after example.
The system breaks in the same way - every time. These aren’t deitites - they aren’t special. They are just another meat bag running on 80% lizard-brain firmware that is purely focused on ITS survival alone. In the end these twats engineer their own destruction. Now, while the all for one trait certainly is consistent in its consolidation of power: it still consistently maintains its loss record to the group. I’d like to think of that as an immune response to a foreign entity. In a weird way that sorta gives me hope.
qarbone@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And that’s not at lot…for people in the US, like a month of groceries for 2 adults. Not touching other actual bills.
But in developing countries, $250 could rival a large percentage of their monthly wages.
yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Money and value are interesting topics. Many of the oddities surrounding expense vs need exist as a result of scales being unfairly influenced. Billionaires aren’t the root of the problem - they are the symptom of the problem. If billionaires didnt exist: that would likely be because wages, costs, and services are more fairly balanced. Less disparity - less resources to leverage to create it… and likely a much higher cost to apply that leverage. We are simply in a feedback loop in a sick system. Cancer doesn’t just go away with thoughts and prayers.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
250 USD is in my country about a daily wage of high-level specialist, I mean - top 5% of people who live from working.
63 USD is a minimal daily wage in my poor country.
nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
In Zambia, average monthly wage is 130$.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Many workers get paid the equivalent of $120 a month or lower
Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
No one human should have the wealth of nations let alone the wealth of one nation. Its not the money that is the issue its the power that comes with it.
yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The two are tightly intertwined. Money is a powerful force multiplier. People are fundamentally still the same as we were 1000s of years ago. The same instincts that served us well then are our greatest weakness today.
When looking at relatively new and abstract societal expectations now… its not particularly shocking that the norm tends to be weighted towards short sighted individualism. We’re just wired that way. I’m not excusing it: ita humanities greatest flaw. We just need to acknowledge these flaws and plan accordingly.
Professorozone@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why not divide up ALL of their wealth?
nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
Most of that would be in stocks you can’t sell at once or they immediately lose value.
yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
While yes, my napkin math may have simplified things to produce a workable ish value:
The numbers purpose was to provide perspective - which I feel worked reasonably well.
glibg@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Waiting for busses isn’t a poverty problem, it’s a policy problem.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It’s both.
In fact, poverty itself is a policy choice of forced deprivation.
qarbone@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s a poverty problem because you don’t have a choice but to rely on policy. That’s what all of those listed things are illustrating.
Hunting for cheaper insurance instead of getting the best coverage, waiting an hour for a bus instead of calling an Uber, searching multiple flyers for the best grocery prices and coupons instead of ordering takeout. These are all “frugal” when you have the money to do otherwise.
It’s poverty when you need to do those things or you just can’t afford to do them.
kreskin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Another thing about being poor is that once you get a bit of money its like pouring water onto a desert because of all the deferred things. Clothes, car, debt, dentist, medical care, shoes. The hole people get in is deeper than it looks. A few thousand can evaporate disappointingly quickly.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I didnt file taxes one year with my kid as a dependent. So I filed two years at the same time. Got back $8K. 8 fucking K. The most money still do this day, I ever had at once. The govt took $3 for my deafaulted, unfinished degree, student loans ($1500 loan, I paid back in total via my tax returns $7500).
So I had $5K left. I used to to move near a friend who had an apt opening near him, it was the same price, but knocked 40 mins off my morning commute to work/daycare and the place was better insulated for heating costs. I didnt waste any money except for paint. The new apartment had orange and PINK walls. orange and pink, oye, I left the orange, but painted the pink, green. Moved and repaired my sitbox car, I think I bought good work shoes too.
all the money was gone in about a month.
4grams@awful.systems 2 weeks ago
It really is time we figure out how to level the playing field.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Step 1: general strike.
HubertManne@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I feel this. I need to send out resumes but more than half my time is doing other things and this list is I would say a pretty decent list of what sucks up the time. Whats funny is our society has all this potential labor but we rather it go to waste and atriphy.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Much of it is a deliberate business strategy. The lower priced options waste more time to deter those able to afford more expensive alternatives from using them.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If I’ve learned anything, it’s that bad public transportation is a conscious choice by the government.
OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a marker of the upwardly mobile. At some point they reach a threshold of wealth where they can be paying other people for their time.
Those who stay poor might look at them like they’re spending money recklessly to pay for the help. They don’t realize the financial crossover that’s happening.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Oh we do
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I’m going to just say whole I fully agree with the sentiment, Transit needs to not be looked at as a part of poverty. Alot of cities have transit used by all walks of life.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’m gonna guess the poster is in the US. In most of this country, bus=poor because in most of this country the bus service is so shitty that only people who can’t afford a car will use it.
howrar@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’d argue that public transit even saves time compared to driving. I can do so much while sitting on a bus/train. I can’t do anything else while driving.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Waiting for buses is not poverty. Being in traffic jams and stuck to using a car is, however.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
over here it’s very common to not be able to afford a personal vehicle. 1 hour commutes each way, while standing in a crowded hot bus is not only normal but even sorta decent.
it was actually great when they let the office people stay home back on covid.
at least we have shitty broken sidewalks.
orbitz@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Okay maybe I missed the Terry Prachett quote, but he wrote (paraphrasing) basically buying an awesome pair of boots that last takes decent coin, the people who need boots to last that long can never afford them so pay more for multiple cheap ones. Again paraphrased, but maybe it’ll encourage more people to read him, think I read a few years ago but anytime anyone quotes him sounds worthwhile.
If this was said, I apologize, sort of quickly scrolled to check so may have missed. But seriously why do we make things so expensive to be less well off? Sounds downright stupid, unless you’re making the dough I imagine. We should be making sure people can live comfortably especially with multiple jobs (though again not my preferred outcome, why should anyone need to work more than one full time job anyway?)
I just wish people could be comfortable with a single job even as a single parent if they need or would like to raise a kid. Though also think we’re a tad overpopulated but that’s not this discussion and still think if we allow it as a society then it should be possible as a single parent.
I am no kids person for the record, dated some mothers over the years but currently a dink (dual income no kids) more an 80s term.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Being poor is as close to being next to the wilderness that there is, other than homeless. None of the infrastructure we build is usable for them to be safe from the simplest threats of nature, like extreme temperatures, or bad food.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
A brief personal report about fried chicken prices in America…
2025: $24-$26 dollars for 24 pieces. 2026: $26, $28, and now $31 dollars.
Also, I am seeing many items suffering from shrinkflation. Terrific. 😒
Smaile@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
People really do like rediscovering fire don’t they. no shit, its a treadmill to keep you busy and keep you from growing or finding other sources of income, its to keep you under socitys thumb
Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I for one like public transport, where i live its often faster than driving yourself. Plus driving costs more (parking fees, gas etc…) while public transport is a rather cheap annual subscription.
P1k1e@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s expensive being poor
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Waiting for buses and other public transport especially. In college I had no car and continued working a part time job that I previously borrowed my parents’ car to commute to. My options were: spending an hour and a half to commute taking a bus with a reasonable schedule but I’d have to walk over a mile alongside a busy road to my job, or spend three hours to commute due to how two route schedules matched up to drop me off at the entrance to the shopping center.
Each of those options was one way, and this was before smart phones. I wasn’t getting anything done in that time besides listening to music and maybe reading a book while on the bus itself.
And then I learned that on Saturdays, over half the time the bus just didn’t fucking show up at the stop where I got on, and the support phone line would just fucking lie about it.
Plus, if I had a vehicle, the commute would have been only 20 minutes in bad traffic.
Will say, the regular distance power walking helped keep me in great shape though.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
I wonder how infrastructure would change if companies were required to reimburse valid claims of mileage or time spent (not the bus/train fare, but paying your wage for the time spent to get to work).
VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
While the intent is good, as written it would probably have the unintended consequence of making it harder to get a job if you happen to live far away from the workplace, which I don’t think is the way to go
robotica@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
According to a video I’ve seen, actors get paid for their commutes
vrek@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I had a job 2.5 miles from my apartment. There is a bus stop on the corner of my apartment, there is a bus stop next to the job. According to the website it was 3 hours to commute by bus to get there…
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if that bus included connections to other lines on top of it all.
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bicycle? Others take dedicated time to do workouts. This is basically the perfect distance for a short workout (and time in between commuting is also basically optimal for recovery according to research). Keeps you fit and healthy without thinking about doing more sport (which is still a good idea). I’m even faster on that kind of distance than a car.
I could never drive the bus/train, commuting by bicycle is too fun and way more flexible (even than a car, considering less options for driving and parking). The distance would have to be larger than 20 miles (or non-“freedom” units: 32 km) that I would consider something else…
VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
2.5 miles is thankfully about 15 minutes by bike - less if you’re pushing it or running an ebike
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t know your distance for commuting. But I consider the bicycle the most superior form of commuting for distances below 10 miles(16km) (personally would even cycle more than double that).
It’s even cheaper, keeps you healthy and often is even faster than a car, considering parking, traffic lights/jams etc… I also enjoy doing that so another advantage.
Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Dependant on location
Eh highly depends on geography
In a more mountine town ive lived in with a bike you can be very fast downslope
Upslope?
20 min for 2km and you will be sweaty as hell at the end
10 and sweaty as hell if you are fit
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Ive run into this too. How many times Id just walk to work for the 1.5hours instead of taking the bus that took just as long, but would drop me off at work either 2hours early, or 15mins late. so Id just walk it.