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vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 52 minutes ago
oh hi vanta 👋 :)
Azrael@reddthat.com 9 hours ago
I’ve never understood it, even for religious reasons. It’s not medically necessary, and it weakens your sex organ’s ability to do the thing it is supposed to do.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
It actually is medically necessary if the foreskin is too tight (phimosis). I had it done on the doctor’s recommendation and my sex life life greatly improved. But this was as an adult, so not really the same thing.
Azrael@reddthat.com 31 minutes ago
Yeah, but that’ super rare. Only around 0.6% of boys experience it before they’re 15. Even if you’re born with true pathological phimosis, circumcision is usually a last resort because topical steroids are safer and have a pretty high success rate.
“The incidence of pathological phimosis is 0.4 per 1000 boys per year or 0.6% of boys are affected by their 15th birthday.”
CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
it weakens your sex organ’s ability to do the thing it is supposed to do.
I thought you didn’t understand?
Azrael@reddthat.com 6 hours ago
Fair enough. But if that’s the point…why? You’d just be making it harder to reproduce at that point
1dalm@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
For cultural reasons, it probably developed as a valuable tribal in-grouping check.
How do we know for sure you are one of us and not a spy or an infiltrator… Well, if you are an ancient Tribal Jewish person you have a special trick to prove you are in the group.
58008@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Calling unnecessary circumcision of boys “genital mutilation” sounds frivolous because it makes it sound like you’re placing it alongside FGM in terms of its effects and severity. But it is nevertheless genital mutilation, by just about any definition you care to put forward. The men living in the non-circumcision-crazed countries of the world aren’t constantly having their blackened rotten cocks drop off from all the dick disease they’re allegedly exposed to by having an intact penis, so I don’t understand why you would feel the need to do this to your kid without a specific medical reason (of which there are very few that require surgical removal of the skin).
“But if you don’t wash it, it gets dickcheese!” and the solution to that is slicing the fucking skin off of it? The clue is in the warning: wash it. Teach your sons to care for their wilberts. Telling them to lather up their bellend in the shower is hardly something that needs prompting anyway.
Personal/intimate hygiene should be part of regular schooling. Not even as part of sex ex, just “how to care for your vessel” kinda shit. Don’t drink to excess, walk and move at least 10 minutes a day, stay away from illegal drugs, be careful with prescription drugs, and wash your bastard stinksausage.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz 12 hours ago
It’s interesting that the pro circumcision crowd who rant about hygiene don’t support girls having their labia cut off to prevent grime from accumulating between the folds. Circumcision should be reserved for actual medical reasons, like phimosis, and if possible at age of consent.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
The “hygiene” argument just shows me how backwards Americans are
Have the stupid cunts not heard of soap?
GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
If you don’t wash behind your ears, bacteria will grow and cause it to smell. By their logic, they should be chopping off ears as well.
The purpose of circumcision is to make maturation and sex less pleasurable as it removes about 1/3 of sensory nerves and meant to make it more difficult to masturbate because you can’t just pull on tight skin. You can still perform the basic acts of sex and masturbation, but it’s not as pleasurable. Likewise, one can still hear without ears even if it’s not as good as those with intact ears.
Just goes to show how insane these people are.
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
and if possible at age of consent.
While I agree with the majority of the argument, I don’t agree with this point. Age of consent is mainly a political thing, disregarding the actualities involved with teenagers and sexual life.
Biologically, pubescence which is around 13 is where this decision should be undertaken, as this is the point where the individual is sexually mature.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
As an American who wasn’t circumcised, this country is so fucking weird about it. Like I got teased for it occasionally. People talk about hygiene, but from what I hear you’re unlikely to find a guy who cleans his asshole but not his foreskin. Like, do what you want with your body, get circumcised if you want, bifurcate the thing if you want, I don’t even have a dick anymore, but circumcising babies is taking that freedom away from them for reasons that always sound ludicrous to me.
And for the attractiveness thing, I’ve had exes who think foreskin is really hot, and personally I think dicks look super weird without it.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 minutes ago
There was an uncircumcised kid at my daycare we made fun of. We didn’t know why his was different than ours and thought HE was the weird one. Turns out no, it was our dumbass parents and the asshole doctors who did that to us that were the problem.
Aeri@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Kinda fucked up how people basically ignore the fact that we do genital mutilation in America.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Yeah but it’s to boys so who cares? /s
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Its actually hurtful to watch the strong opposition to cirumcision involving girls yet barely any opposition involving boys. It looks like another take on sexism and like one commenter said, it makes it more difficult for trans people.
Circumcision for both genders should only be a medical decision, not a thing you or your parents decide just because.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
Not having kids, but it was done to me and I’m fine with it.
I’ve been in a relationship for ages now, but before that all the womem I asked said that preferred cut over uncut. Literally. All. Of. Them. It was at least a dozen.
But hey, don’t let me disrupt this whole… Uhh… Thing you guys got going on this thread.
Emerald@lemmy.world 28 minutes ago
If you are fine with being circumcised than that seems like the best possible outcome and I’m glad you are happy with your body in that way. However, many people were circumcised and are not fine with it. After all, it is a choice made for them without their consent. Also, it shouldn’t matter what women prefer. It should be your body, your choice.
ChexMax@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Literally no thoughtful or reasonable sexual partner is going to say they prefer the type of penis it’s impossible for you to have, so that data is wildly biased.
I’m a woman and I’ve been with both. I don’t really care either way (and I feel confident most women who have actually been with both don’t really care) but my best lasting lover by far was uncut. I will not circumcise any sons I have.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
You’re obviously American, as were the women
It’s ok, we in the civilised world already think you’re stupid, your attitude towards mutilating the dicks of little boys is just another reason why we do.
Pogbom@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
The mistake in all of this discussion is making those who are circumsized feel ashamed about it at all. No one should feel bad about being circumsized.
Now that that’d out of way, that’s a pretty weak counterargument. Your justification for why we should keep doing it is that society prefers it? That’s exactly the thing that’s finally being pushed back against. It’s inherently a barbaric practice that serves no medical purpose (for the large majority) and is purely aesthetic, and we’re doing it to newborn babies so they can look like their daddies and keep the social norm alive.
You don’t have anything to feel bad about and it’s great that it hasn’t been a hindrance for you, but we can’t keep doing a medically unnecessary (and frankly dangerous) procedure on babies because everyone else is doing it. As soon as one generation stops, your argument will be moot.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Men in many African countries also overwhelmingly prefer their women cut. Coincidence?
kandoh@reddthat.com 16 hours ago
People prefer what’s familiar, in cultures where it’s not the norm they prefer uncut.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
it’s wild to me how many let this one thing dominate their entire identity and rail against their parents for it.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
amab genital mutilation makes bottom surgery more complicated for transfems
yes it’s also immoral and shouldn’t be done on infants of any gender who can’t give consent (and should be illegal, as should intersex genital mutilation, aka “surgical correction”)
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Yeah, though American bottom surgeons are so used to it they see the foreskin as making it easier rather than the lack of it making it more difficult. At least that’s how it was for my surgeon
binarytobis@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Huh, didn’t even occur to me there would be trans complications as well.
daannii@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Do you know why UK men are rarely circumcized when it’s the norm in the U.S?
At some point the UK government says that circumcision wouldn’t be covered by the national health insurance.
And just like that. It went out of fashion.
I’m sure the greedy U.S insurance companies would be more than happy to stop covering that service.
Fight fire with fire.
Get the insurance companies to stop covering it. And we can finally save boys from being mutilated.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Not just UK most of the world is uncircumcised, it’s only a thing in Abrahamic religions and USA
daannii@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Yeah cause mutilating baby genitals is bad. Most people get that.
But also my example was to illustrate how the trend was changed in the UK and perhaps it’s a possible way to do the same in the U.S.
geissi@feddit.org 15 hours ago
it’s only a thing in Abrahamic religions
Christianity is an abrahamic religion and afaik does not have anything to with this anywhere except the US.
kablez@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
A kid died in Australia because a doctor botched the circumcision of a toddler and he went septic.
Barbaric cultural practise to do it to children, but I do think it’s fine if they medically need it or you are an adult and want it done.
daannii@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Yeah adults can decide and of course it treats conditions like phimosis which is when the foreskin is super tight.
mrmisses@lemmy.world 1 day ago
People is the US are just brain dead “christian” morons
aceslip@lemmy.zip 23 hours ago
I don’t think Christianity requires circumcising
oyo@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
It would still be profitable. They sell the foreskins for use in cosmetic products.
funkajunk@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What do you call a discount circumcision?
A ripoff.
Dearth@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Its like 10 in² removed by circumcision. Not necessarily length or girth from your dick. But 10 in² of incredibly sensitive skin on your sex organ.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 22 hours ago
New imperial unit for area dropped.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 22 hours ago
I can’t speak for everyone but I am an average sized uncut USian, and mine foreskin is pretty tight when erect to the point I think it might be painful if I was cut. I wonder if there’s anyone who got circumcised post puberty that can chime in.
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
What do they want, a refund?
wolfrasin@lemmy.today 1 day ago
To stop the cultural practice of male genital mutilation and break the norms that doom their sons?
Full respect if you were speaking sarcastically
Javi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
At the very least they’d like their tip back.
funkajunk@lemmy.world 1 day ago
With interest.
Gimme that fiveskin.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Could’ve at least saved it for a little foreskin calamari is all.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Half off
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Foreskins are sold for use in beauty treatments and skin grafts for burns, would be nice to get the cash value back just on the principle of it even if it wasn’t that much.
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
As a bi Guy, I just think they look better without the foreskin. That being said, DM not going to advocate for having the skin cut off just for aesthetics or handwavey notions of hygiene
NickwithaC@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Shit
(Did I follow the instructions in the title correctly?)
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
No one said post it after typing…
Shannaresh@sh.itjust.works 23 hours ago
Nah you capitalized it
daggermoon@piefed.world 1 day ago
I want my foreskin back. I’m thinking about restoring mine.
homes@piefed.world 1 day ago
from all of the research I’ve done into the matter, it’s a huge amount of work/effort for not much of a payoff. there are a lot of options/paths to go down, and - admittedly - it’s been almost a 15 years since I really looked into it, so there may have been some worthwhile advances since then, but, given the state of things at the time, I doubt it.
but I don’t mean to discourage you, and what I might have deemed “worth it” or not, you might feel differently. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
flandish@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Hedwig approves. His inch is still very angry.
homes@piefed.world 1 day ago
upvote for the reference
Rumo161@feddit.org 13 hours ago
I see that there are very little cases where it is needed.
I think its also very telling that this post gets so much traction with dudes acting like its a mayor cultural abuse of men while scarcely connecting to other genital mutilation happening to women or even the fact that most medical edvances are still focust on mens health with some medication having serious sie effects for women like for example a pill to stop pregnancies that alot of men just expect to take even though it fucks up the hormonal balance.
I just wish the men on lemmy could see how we all could benifit from targeting the baseline problems partriachy brings us.
All this energy in the comments could be so usefull.
Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 12 hours ago
" gets so much traction with dudes acting like its a mayor cultural abuse of men while scarcely connecting to other genital mutilation happening to women"
FGM is already illegal in the states, otherwise i’m sure the constant comparison would matter more. also why are we making zero sum games for progressives when making a progressive safe environment would give more rights to everyone?
this is one of the frustrating points of contention that managed to get atheists and feminists fighting each-other rather than fighting groups like the heritage foundation well over a decade ago. i legitimately believe a lot of people pushing the need to suggest that somehow people are pretending FGM is being dismissed whenever addressing MGM are just bots/instigators trying to get people fighting. that is stupid. nobody is arguing this. why are we making this divisive bullshit salient and real?
“all genital mutilation is bad. it’s fucked up that it’s still legal in any capacity.” =/= “we hate women.”
even almost twenty years ago, saying “this is stupid, we should be supporting each-other progressively in rights and freedoms against thing like religious mutilation of baby genitals, and stopping religiously empowered political groups from dominating the discourse,” earned an inbox full of mutilated penis imagery, because somehow feminism is supposed to somehow be incompatible with a world where male babies don’t get their genitals mutilated to show that it’s just “not as bad” or something. ignore the kids who die from infection or w/e.
this was successfully made into the dominant social response in any context.
then we saw a couple decades of atheists and feminists being too distracted defending against incel/SJW branding to do anything about the fascist takeover, and progressives, dejected, vacated spaces allowing whole new incel chud armies to breed and take over. you’d think some would see this as a backfiring, but “it proves our point” so we won’t think about that.
i just wish i would stop seeing the same completely unnecessary divisive arguments that have helped groups like the heritage foundation get into power to remove rights for EVERYONE.
helping men =/= helping the patriarchy.
luckily, it looks like this thread is full of non-divisive conversation on the subject. this makes me happier.
heritage foundation types are destroying the world, we need solidarity and action focused at the problem, rather than anger at trans people wanting basic human rights, or at atheists/activists for wanting to remove classic religious patriarchal baby genital cutting traditions, because being against that makes you the patriarchy somehow. etc.
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
Shit
thesohoriots@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I could not, would not, with a mohel
Would not, should not, with hot oil
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app 1 day ago
ArfArfWoof@europe.pub 1 day ago
shit
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
shit
Gork@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
type shit
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Love the gang sign the kid is holding up
homes@piefed.world 1 day ago
if you lost a whole inch from your circumcision, they did it wrong.
that said, when I was around 18 or so, I really had it out with my parents over circumcising me. at 47, I’m still unhappy about it.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s unconsentual genital mutilation of babies, a beyond cruel excercise - unless there is a clear medical reason
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 hours ago
I don’t believe there is any medically justified reason beyond what would require anything to be amputated. All of the “medical reasons” people tout are thin bullshit. Anything people have claimed could be accomplished with much less invasive procedures. I’m furious and deeply hurt my parents did this to me. The whole reason is to reduce sensation during sex because sex is a “sin”. My parents had the fucking gall to tell me looking at porn will impact my relationships after doing this shit to me.
Arcadeep@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I didn’t even know I was circumcised at birth until like halfway through highschool and I didn’t really care after finding out. And having now seen penises that are uncircumcised, I’m kinda glad I was. From my perspective, it didn’t hurt and I didn’t even know until now. Everything works perfectly normally.
All of that was a buildup to a genuine question of why do you feel so upset by it? I don’t mean to be argumentative or dismissive, just want to see the point of view from someone else
homes@piefed.world 1 day ago
we all have our own feelings about it. I’m not trying to say that the way you feel about your own circumcision is right or wrong, or how any man who decides - on their own, as an informed adult - is right or wrong to do so.
but would argue that it is an adult man’s decision to make, not a parent’s decision to make for their infant son– unless some medical condition makes it necessary to do so at that time. and, yes, I understand that there are religious considerations, but, as an atheist, I’m not so sympathetic to that, either, as I classify all genital mutilation in the same category, regardless of age or gender.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 1 day ago
There are several possible reasons why other men might be upset, although your own equipment still works perfectly normally:
Just like women’s sexual responses differ, men’s sexual responses may differ, as well. I’ve learned from a friend, who’s had many male partners, that some men get intense pleasure from manipulation of their foreskin. Some can even reach orgasm that way. I’ve learned from several (intact) men on Reddit and Lemmy that their primary source of sexual sensation is their foreskin, rather than their glans. Losing a major source of pleasure could be upsetting.
This same friend also reports that, in his experience, intact men have better awareness of their own state of arousal, and better control of it. In brief, they can “last longer.” This is anecdotal, of course, but I seem to recall reading some research to back that up. That’s part of the reason why he’s upset by his being circumcised.
“Circumcision” is not just one thing. It ranges from the traditional bris (a small snip at the tip of the penis, so that the tip of the glans just peeks out) to amputation of the entire mobile skin system of the penis (about 15 sq. in. of adult tissue gone). I would imagine that men who have drum-tight skin on their penises, and must use lube to facilitate penetration or masturbation, might not like it, whereas a man whose glans was still covered when his penis was flaccid might not notice much difference.
The dorsal nerve of the penis can be severed during the procedure, removing sensation from the glans almost entirely, leading to erectile and performance issues, as well as greatly reduced enjoyment of sex.
The healing of the circumcision wound can go not-quite-perfectly, leading to adhesions, assymetry, tight frenulums, phantom pain, and scarring. Journalist Gary Shteyngart wrote an essay about the odyssey of pain that he was thrown into when a skin bridge (an adhesion) on his penis became infected. Worse, I recall a letter published in Savage Love from a man whose circumcision scar was so thick and inelastic that it caused the end of his penis to go ischemic, then necrotic, and then fall off when he was an infant. He’s left with a stub of a penis, and a pretty good reason to be upset about circumcision, I’d say.
TheseusNow@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
So the problem is a lot of people think a circumcision is something responsible adults do to their children to help them avoid potential health problems. They also believe it serves no purpose and is one of those we evolved with it, but it is useless kind of things.
They dont know the truth that it actually has a large number of nerve endings and was originally pushed for to reduce the pleasure boys felt from masturbation, in the hope they would not masturbate. Because sex should only be for reproduction according to those who originally pushed for circumcision… It is like what is done to some women in muslim communities. Difference being woman have even more nerve endings in the clitoris and men can still experience some pleasure without the foreskin, but much less. This is why circumcision is often considered mutilation, except for those rare medical exceptions. Parents are unknowingly removing their childs right to sexual pleasure under the guise it is for their health.
It really needs to end as simple hygiene is all that is needed for the health reasons.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I mean, you lost a significant amount of your sensory nerves in your penis, but you do you.
Anyway, I fucking didn’t do it to my kids because it is unconscionable to mutilate a child’s (possibly) completely functional penis for aesthetic reasons.
BTW, You are bragging that you happened to be lucky. Many are not.
SanitationStation@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Obviously most circumsised people have no issues with their dicks. And a lot probably sees it as a positive. I have heard a people claim that they look better.
Doing plastic surgery on babies is still a bit weird to me.
Wilco@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Because sometimes there are scars. Sometimes they cut WAY too much and the skin left is too thin.
Nature designed that weiner, no need for cosmetic customization.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Maybe you don’t lose an inch of penis length, but perhaps you do lose an inch of skin.
But I agree this is stupid because 99.99% of people are going to think “penis length.”
This is perhaps the dumbest circumcision awareness sign I’ve seen. And I support the cause.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
So, if you’ve every had to clean out the inside of your son’s penis, you might feel a little bit differently. Circumcision was considered a standard hygienic practice for decades. There are some marginal benefits to health and safety, particularly wrt transmission of STDs. But given the modernizations in health and safety (particularly condoms and milder skin-friendly soap) it definitely feels archaic.
I’m circumcized. I don’t think it’s a big deal. My son isn’t (largely at the objections of my wife who was much more anti-circumcision than I am). So far, he hasn’t seemed to mind having a foreskin. It strikes me as something people just like to get mad at. It has no discernible impact either of our lives, except in the case where I’m giving him a bath.
Compared to, say, the consequences of laws around abortion or modern contraception or vaccination, this seems trivial to the point of being a deliberately engineered distraction.
homes@piefed.world 1 day ago
It feels archaic because this is archaic bullshit. it takes about a second to pull back the foreskin and wash it with the rest of the penis/pubic area during a normal bath the bathing a baby/toddler, and teaching a child this very normal habit is very simple and easy. The vast majority of human males on Earth handle this very normal task, and have done so for the entire existence of humanity.
Just because the misinformation you just repeated was pushed by the American medical establishment for a few decades doesn’t make it fact, and it has been widely repudiated by the medical establishments everywhere else, and even here in the US in recent decades.
It is no longer widely recommended, even in the US.
And your personal preference isn’t really medically relevant.
Nomad@infosec.pub 1 day ago
Doesn’t mind having a perfectly natural unmutilated body?!
horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Then why would you chop it off?
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 23 hours ago
I’m uncircumcised and my son is uncircumcised. Really goes a long way on understanding how to deal with a normal uncircumcised penis. Cleaning it doesn’t take any extra effort.
Unfortunately for you the information on how to care for a normal uncircumcised penis on a younger child is not easily available because of the expectation that all American children are circumcised.
You are not supposed to retract the foreskin until later in life. When? Well it’s different for everyone but can be as late as age 10 or more. Until that time it’s “self-cleaning” just wash the outside. Tell the kid to keep trying to gently retract it when he pees or baths, if it doesn’t pull back easily it’s not ready.
You don’t need to get soap up in there until it starts retracting on it own, the skin begins to naturally separate. If you force it, you can cause scaring and damage, you’re literally ripping the skin from the glans. Once it retracts, pull the foreskin back wash the glans and ta dah… clean dick.
It’s made out to be this big inconvenience and believed by men with their foreskin removed. It’s not at all an inconvenience. You also don’t have any idea what your missing out on by having a circumcised penis.
Anyway thought I’d share before you mess up your kids dick. Lot of doctors I’ve talked to I had to correct on the proper way to take care of an uncircumcised child’s penis, it’s very unsettling and you might have got incorrect information yourself.
Lucky for me a have the proper equipment to know what I was talking about.
0x0@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Bullshit.
basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
you aren’t supposed to use soap on genitals