I accepted and just didn’t buy it to begin with.
'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash
Submitted 5 weeks ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 5 weeks ago
Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
After the borderlands 3 trainwreck it seems weird that people are apparently buying BL4
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s hard to consider an 81 on OpenCritic to be a trainwreck. People tend to buy games that review well, especially when it’s a co-op shooter with basically no competition.
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 5 weeks ago
I honestly don’t know what this “trainwreck” talk is. BL3 was passable. I didn’t like the antagonists, but the game played fine if purples dropped way too much and the new guns weren’t great. People make it seem like it was the Worst Game Ever and I don’t get it. The pre-sequel was hot garbage, but 3 was fine.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
From what I hear from people actually able to play the game, it’s better than 3.
Something like:
2 > 4 > 1 > 3 > Pre-Sequel
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Was going to say… Who is out there buying games way outside their machines’ specs? Seems pretty straightforward.
I do get a little annoyed at the folks angry at BL4 using a higher end engine. Like, it does look a lot better than previous iterations. That engine upgrade wasn’t for nothing.
There are a ton of looter shooters floating around that aren’t using the Unreal 5 engine. Just play one of those instead.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This game does into the twenties on a freaking 4070 at 1440 on high settings and doesn’t even get 60 at medium settings
Now let’s take a look at the “recommended specs” Randy put out there
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 / AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT / Intel Arc B580
Sorry but when I’m the world is that even remotely acceptable that you consider last Gen was outside machine specs when the developers said sure two generations ago is perfectly fine, which btw, holy crap it’s not.
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 5 weeks ago
I have a 3090 in a 7800x3d box with 64 gb ram and I had to drop from 7680x2160 to 3840x1080 to get decent framerates. I get better performance in Star Citizen. After a few CTD’s I just went ahead and got a refund.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
There’s a difference between a game being way outside of your specs because it’s graphically very advanced and your hardware is old, and a game just being unoptimized slop that expects its users to deal with by throwing higher specs at a fixable problem.
I have a brand new 5070ti that can play all kinds of UE5 games with much better graphics than BL4 at 4k resolution with ray tracing at a decent frame rate without relying on frame gen. And I’m in the top few percentiles here.
Killer@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
UE5 can run fine on older hardware, but most devs either aren’t given the time to properly optimize or don’t give a fuck about it and would rather rely on upscaling and frame gen tech.
cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Out of the loop, is it a AAA game drama?
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
Yeah, so it’s just the usual
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Apparently the graphics are basically the same as 3, but performance is dog shit on even the best hardware and crashes are unavoidable.
When people complained, he said they need to use AI fake frame and upscale from 720. Which still wasn’t good performance.
It might get fixed later in updates. But this guy is handling so badly he might legitimately be mentally unwell. It’s at the point it’s weird he still has a job
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Just your typical Randy drama you get at every BL release.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
At least he didn’t punch anyone this time.
SoupBrick@pawb.social 5 weeks ago
BL4 is running horribly, even on higher end PCs. I have a 4090 and a decent processor, but only getting 80FPS max with a good few settings on low or off and AI frame gen on (I would rather not, but performance is just that bad).
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Holy shit you get 80 fps with frame gen on with a 4090? What resolution?
spamfajitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
What’s crazy is how inconsistent the problems seem to be. I’ve got a 4080 Super and a decent processor, and I’m getting 120-140fps with most settings as high as they can go with frame gen on at 1440p. Only crashed once in about 40 hours of gameplay.
_spiffy@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I’ve got a 6800xt and it runs really well on medium settings. Looks pretty good as well. Never had the game crash on me either. It’s 60fps but I’m cool with that. Gameplay feels smooth at that and it’s steady. No upscaling no frame Gen. 3440x1440.
I have heard a lot of people are having issues with Nvidia hardware though.
USSEthernet@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
That AAAA to you!
MudMan@fedia.io 5 weeks ago
I swear I have no idea why they let him talk. He doesn't even own the company, surely someone at Take 2 could just go... you know... shush.
I don't even think the BL4 thing is that bad, on the face of it. There is really no need to make it worse.
"We have been made aware of some performance issues in certain systems in our new release, we'll be looking into performance improvements in future patches". It's not that hard. At this point just copy/paste whatever the other thousand UE5 games said, go fix the wonky precompilation boot step and stop digging a hole.
rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I have come to accept that this is a PR campaign to plaster the name everywhere all over social media and let it worm its way into currently pissed off gamers’ heads for a few months down the line when they’ve calmed down and inevitably buy the fucking thing.
Pitchford is a slimeball. Rarely has a man who is allegedly not an insurance or used-car salesman given off such nakedly scummy vibes.
We need to stop giving free publicity to this little marketing man, and to this poorly optimised, expensive game.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I don’t think there’s anything that well thought out, and it’s just someone who takes things personally and cant resist blurting out their thoughts.
Since after what he said my thinking was even if my friends beg me to get the game on discount I wont because of how personally irritated the comments have made me.
rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Not casting aspersions towards you personally, but we all know how gamer boycotts go generally. As in, they don’t. People cave and buy the games anyway, once they’re over the initial outrage. This is 100% marketing.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The game is grossly overpriced and infected Denuvo malware. Those things are all symptoms of Randy Pitchford being involved. I’ll pass.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The reality is you made a game that few will play for several years. You could have made a game that could be playable on most contemporary machines. You didn’t and will now have to suffer from shitty sales due to your inability to understand that the majority of us don’t have the money to spend like you do you out of touch clueless ballsack.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Anyone remembers Aliens: Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever knows that Randy Pitchford is garbage. He also ran off most of the talent behind BL1 and BL2, which is why BL3 writing was shitty.
Katana314@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Countdown to him getting fired in 3…2…3…4…8…49…
Because companies ultimately seem to love leaders that are toxic these days.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I could be wrong, but doesn’t he own the company?
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
He wasn’t the only founder and Embracer bought them in 2021. Later TakeTwo acquired the studio when Embracer had to restructure. They operate under 2k now so he can most surely be fired.
Also probably why he is even more of a cocky cunt nowadays. He already cashed out.
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Say it with me now: “Fuck Randy Pitchford”
Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 weeks ago
The engine’s not the problem. Personally, I have only played a single game on UE5 that had shit performance on mh aging PC, and it’s an early access, independently made, survival crafting game. It was never going to perform well or even be finished.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Sorry I can’t hear you Randy. I am playing silksong and after that, I am doing another BG3 playthrough.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Or an Expedition 33 new game+ This is truly a great year for games, current post aside
BroBot9000@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Oh look the piece of shit opens its mouth again.
We understand you stumbled dick first into your position of power. Now please shut the fuck up, you somehow sentient sludgeball.
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 5 weeks ago
Welp, that’s what I did. Got my money back. I’ll buy it when it’s $19.99.
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I was going to do that originally but now I’m never playing it.
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 5 weeks ago
I’m not going to punish the entire development team just because he’s a tool.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
You should get it for free elsewhere. Don’t give this asshole your money.
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 5 weeks ago
That’s an option, but there were a lot of people involved in making the game. I’m not a fan of collective punishment. They most probably did their best, he’s just a shit spokesperson.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Is this not the third tabloid style headline here about essentially the same thing?
CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Well it shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone, but Randy Pitchford is really good at providing ammo for these types of headlines. Guy needs to learn to keep his mouth shut sometimes.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s 100% an astroturfing campaign. Doesn’t matter if it looks good or bad, it’s still getting awareness out there about the game which generates clicks and probably makes more money than the game itself.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That would be hard to believe, because the game already conservatively made tens of millions of dollars in a few days.
echodot@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
That would have to be the weirdest advertising strategy in the history of all advertising.
My our game, it’s really shit
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Of course the borderlands guy would look like that
biotin7@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
You ain’t exactly handsome yourself bud😅
Nikls94@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Randy Pitchfork looks like a mix of the first second generation employee of blizzard (aka Piratesoftware) and Steve buscemi
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
My mom says I am
58008@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Why is he like this?
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
It’s the year of the billionaire who dont keep their mouth shut because they believe they are right and everyone will agree with their points and love them.
Happening right now with Mark Cuban on the NBA side.
dustyData@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
For a long time he was told by everyone in public and in private that he was awesome and perfect, and the greatest game developer, which made him a ton of money and famous. Now his game is failing and his overinflated ego is panicking.
echodot@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Was he?
Personally I’ve always thought of him as a bit of a prick.
brsrklf@jlai.lu 5 weeks ago
Was he? Was that a long time ago?
Seems to me him and Gearbox have been in lots of shit for a while now (the infamous USB drive, serious plagiarism accusations when Borderlands did an artistic 180 during development, Alien : Colonial Marines released broken as hell after funneling its funding to make BL2, Duke Nukem Forever…)
And every time Pitchford’s (mostly unnecesary) public answer has been terrible.
figjam@midwest.social 5 weeks ago
his new game is failing. He must keep it in the zeitgeist for as long as possible. This is just some guy trying to be relevant
tio_bira@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Considering i didn’t bother to buy anything borderlands related since Borderlands 2, it will keep preety muchbthe same for me
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Same, got 1&2 on a humble bundle. I remember one running great, and 2 bearable on a 1gb netbook att. Cell shaded games shouldn’t be this resource intensive!
tio_bira@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I still have my physical PC copy for the first Borderlands, it sounds almost a whole different world when i read 512mb vram recommended on the specs…
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Guys who wear bowties are not smart, but desperately need people to think they are.
OmegaMan@lemmings.world 5 weeks ago
Bowties are fine for formal (social) occasions like weddings and parties. Wearing them around every day is weird. Wearing them to work is (generally) weird.
Committing to wearing them everywhere and STILL buying pre-tied ones and not learning how to tie them yourself all while being a mega douche is cringe af.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Yeah, learn to tie them if you’re going to make it part of your personality.
DacoTaco@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I present to you bill nye as a counter argument
itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Honestly, I think he might actually fall into the category of cares more about appearing smart than being smart. Not to say he’s dumb, but I do get the sense the reputation is very important to him
abcdqfr@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
What french fuckin year is it where ANYONE feels the NEED to wear a bowtie?! You can just wear your boxers as a neckerchief if you like…
Sunsofold@lemmings.world 5 weeks ago
I haven’t played 4, but I played 1, 2, and a bit of the presequel or whatever it was called. They were essentially all the same game. Run, shoot, run, shoot, hear vaguely off-color joke, run, shoot. Is there any particular reason to bother with an overpriced remake of the same old game? Is there a reason for worrying about 4KUHD textures on a game where the aesthetic is cartoony? If you’re a 9 year old who’s never played, and it’s all on mom’s dime, I could see being tricked into buying it by the advertisers, but why is anyone else excited about it?
echodot@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Any interest I had in the game, which was already fairly minimal, was completely obliterated when the price was announced.
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I played the hell out of the first Borderlands (including New Game+ across all expansions), but promptly bounced off 2 & Pre-Sequel because it literally just felt like more of the same and I was already sated.
BL3 and now BL4 are literally just more of the same, but with ever increasingly more egregious monetisation.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
2 was good because of the Handsome Hack commentary.
MadameBisaster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Started with 2, liked it, hated 3, now playing 4 since yesterday with a friend and gameplay wise it has a bunch of changes/improvements. So if someone enjoys the gameplay its good. I mean cod and battlefield and fifa are also nearly the same game every time ;)
nyctre@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yeah, you won’t hear us defending those games either ;)
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
30 seconds of fun repeated, the golden rule. The games fun as fuck.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Gearbox was been scummy for a while now. Customers can learn to stop giving them money or can keep putting up with this.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Eh, the people are dumb as fuck and will keep buying their slop. Just look at Nintendo, one of the most horrible companies out there, releasing the same 5 games over and over again, but the idiots keep buying. They will keep buying their Mario Kart until it’s $200
moonburster@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
They destroyed the first update for risk of rain 2 when they bought it as well. They kinda made my favourite game a lot worse
Greddan@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
They’re using a poorly made graphics engine and got scammed into implementing malware into their game.
Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org 5 weeks ago
He's looking like the Anti-Gaben Newell in that picture there.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
He can deep-throat my dad’s days-dead dog’s decaying dong.
Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
All this stuff sounds like Randy Pitchford building out his personal brand.
I wish anything involving Pitchford was not reported on (at all).
denialmedia@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Dude is such a tool.
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 5 weeks ago
I wasn’t too keen on that $70 basic version price tag in the first place, so thanks Randy. Can’t wait for it to be $39.99
jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
How is it on console though? Better on PS5 or Xbox?
Muffi@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
Soooo, is Borderlands 4 cracked yet?
Reygle@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
A “Pitchford” - the meme of Randall Pitchford always, ALWAYS being an ass. This isn’t anything new, just “fresh” again.
C1pher@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This has been there already with Ubisoft games. It wont end well for the IP and also, the main problem is Randy Pitchford. That problem wont be fixed any time soon.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I have accepted reality and not purchased the game.
Thanks for the heads up Bobandy.
philosloppy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
way ahead of you there, guy
Rakonat@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Couldn’t have been less interested. Borderlands hasn’t been remotely interesting since 2 and everything since then has been a soulless cash grab.
massi1008@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Hard disagree.
Pre-Sequel, 3 and Wonderlands have all been great games that I had lots of fun with. I also know I’m going to have upwards of 100 hours of fun with 4. That’s what makes this whole story even more frustrating…
But I’m a patient gamer. I played the previous BL games years after they came out. I’ll do the same for this one - not because I can’t afford a 60€ price tag but because articles like this. Sad.
philosloppy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I played an hour of the first game and that was enough for me, so I’m not exactly their target demo anyways.