I have a pretty recent thinkpad that supposedly has “military grade durability”. The plastic is literally falling apart at the corners after 2 years, and my fan grille is gone.
Fucking lenovo
Thinkpad for the win
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grandma@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
exu@feditown.com 2 days ago
Military grade is bullshit marketing. Basically anything is military grade
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Military grade is code for “cheapest bidder”
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
It depends, sometimes milspec is very demanding. For example, crayons need to be non-toxic even if you eat the entire box.
person1@lemm.ee 1 day ago
In Ukraine nowadays it means “anything that can survive up to one assault”. I hear they take donated cars that no-one sane would drive or even pronounce street-legal.
JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 days ago
“Military grade” means that it went through one extra round of inspection before it was sent out as far as I’m aware. This round of inspection is basically just putting it through certain weather conditions to simulate “will this survive a deployment”
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
I guess aircraft-grade aluminum isn’t good enough anymore.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I was in the Marines and I had to buy some of my shit on my own, so yeah, agree 100%.
superkret@feddit.org 2 days ago
Sounds military grade to me.
Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Which Thinkpad do you have? The “Thinkpad” line has been expanded to basically all professional grade laptops now.
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
the x131e is definitely not professional grade
RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
I have a 16 year old T420 that’s survived numerous falls drops spills and still ticking to this day and I love it. It’s the best damn keyboard to type on. Only Thinkpads for me.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 day ago
As others have eluded to, military-grade means “meets our minimum spec at the lowest price.”
So it means they said “Our casing was made of this material last year, and this is the lowest bidder for the same quality this year.”
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
ThinkPad is a work tool. MacBook is a fashion statement.
vortexsurfer@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Not where I work. My thinkpad is managed by the understaffed IT department, and is severely crippled by clownstrike and other garbage and bloatware. Linux is not allowed, only windows.
But my colleagues who chose a MacBook don’t have all that crap because said IT department haven’t figured out how to remotely manage Macs yet…
Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 2 days ago
It was sad when my work figured out how to lock down the Mac’s. It’s not too restrictive, but it’s more than nothing.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 days ago
ah, remember the time that Lenovo shipped spyware in the UEFI of Thinkpads?
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Some context…
For one, it wasn’t spyware, it was UEFI that, if a user had admin/root privilege, they could modify the firmware despite signinging procedures that should have prevented that. There was no spyware, there was no root kit, there was a vulnerability.
For another:
IdeaPads, Legion gaming devices, and both Flex and Yoga laptops.
Technically it never touched the ThinkPads. Despite some areas where things blur, ThinkPad is still relatively independent of the rest of the product line. While I may not think Lenovo is trying to actively spy on their consumer brands, they do screw up enough that I wouldn’t want to touch them (not just security, they cut too many corners in general).
spacesatan@leminal.space 2 days ago
I certainly remember when lenovo pushed a keyboard firmware update so bad that it physically damaged a chip on thousands of legion laptops and then refused to own up to it. Fuckers. Never again.
LouSlash@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
MacBook user:
omfg, my MacBook got that big scratch. Gonna buy a new one then
ThinkPad user:
draws ThinkPad logo on the back using scratches
Love it
Essentially average MacBook fan vs average ThinkPad enjoyer
abbadon420@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Mine is covered in stickers.
generic_computers@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
If your Thinkpad isn’t covered in stickers, is it really a Thinkpad?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I mean… tools, not jewels. It has a robust design for a reason. Develop that patina, kid. Don’t lose your mind over a scuff.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I’ve been buying second hand thinkpads for the last decade or so.
They arrive pre-scuffed so I don’t need to worry.
guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Prescruffed? That’s just the vintage look.
jef@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Never regretted a purchase more than my macbook after visiting their subreddits.
Sirence@feddit.org 2 days ago
I got a MacBook for free and I regretted even that. Someone spent money on it, what a waste, even if it wasn’t me. I have a refurbished ThinkPad now and I love that one.
7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
That’s all I’ll buy laptop wise. I’d be a fool to buy a new laptop for my use case.
Give me an off lease Thinkpad with no SSD
I’ll furnish my own drive and OS.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
I bought a MacBook Pro in 2011 to play games when I’m not at home (installed Windows on it) and it still works amazingly to this day. I did swap the DVD drive out for a solid state drive and increased the RAM to 16GB. It lasts 1.6 playthroughs of Beetlejuice on maximum brightness on the original battery… but the battery only has like 26 cycles cuz I always had it plugged in.
Zero regrets.
Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I honestly will never understand why people buy macbooks.
simplejack@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Out here in Silicon Valley, the big driver is a) you need MacOS to develop for iOS, and b) people prefer the UX over Windows / Linux.
Also, the hardware tends be well supported and performant for many years…. As long as you’re not gaming.
dan@upvote.au 15 hours ago
I work at a big tech company in Silicon Valley and maybe 80% of employees use MacBooks… I was using Windows for a while, but I switched to Linux around a year ago. AFAIK there were only a few dozen people like me (running Linux, using Firefox as default browser) until we were all forced to switch to Chrome because of some security features in Chrome enterprise.
rippersnapper@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Number of reasons. Works well with Apple products, long battery life, way more powerful for most normal (sometimes applies to even some basic UI devs and small project video editing). It’s got great hardware. However Apple is a nightmare capitalist company that’ll try to dime and nickel you for every possible thing.
Speculater@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Unified memory. On a current gen Mac work station you can functionally have 512GB of VRAM for AI tasks for under $10k. Good luck getting anywhere close with Nvidia or AMD.
They’re also idiot proof, when I fuck up my CUDA drivers sending me down a 4-hour-long hunt for improperly installed visual studio files, a part of me is envious of Mac owners who will never know my pain.
People pay for the simplicity.
PseudorandomNoise@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They’re also idiot proof
Real reason right here. They want a machine that essentially protects them from themselves. It’s also why Chromebooks are so wildly popular in US schools; the kids can’t fuck up the software.
maomao@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
It’s UNIX with a million and one creature comforts and high build quality. The ThinkPad touchpad gives me a rash.
spiritsong@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Disclaimer: Macbook user here.
Its okay for a lot of things. And its great for people who don’t expect much. But for power users, the moment you start installing stuffs for QoL or for more functionality, its there and then (the lack of RAM) really makes one want to bite the fingernails. I’m running 24GB, but even then my memory pressure is on yellow and i’ve “offloaded” a lot of stuffs into Ferdium (as that was the only reasonable way of maintaining certain things).
But for those who use on the web stuffs for almost everything, a macbook is a much better chromebook, and it works really well for those who don’t want to fiddle with anything.
But that price though. If Macbooks were priced lower (especially the RAM and storage upgrades) I think there will be a huge uptick of people buying the M-CPU Macbooks.
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 22 hours ago
Agreed. I got the 16/512 M1 Air for a decent price and run Linux on it, but I’m constantly bottlenecking both the RAM and SSD and it sucks that I can’t upgrade it, will probably get a Framework when it dies
pat277@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
Audio editing tools. I love linux but… its still catching up
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
You must not have any tech illiterate old family that likes downloading sketchy stuff from the Internet.
ry_@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Honestly, I’d love a cost equivalent laptop in could put Linux on in Europe, but for the money the MacBook Air is just really hard to beat
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 22 hours ago
Great battery life on macOS, although turns out a lot of it involves software-related optimizations since with Asahi Linux it’s barely better than x86
SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Apple: The Gucci of the tech world.
Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It really is. I once dated a girl that would rip on me for having a Samsung. She said she needed an iPhone for work cause she takes a lot of pics and uses socials a lot. She couldn’t fathom that my Samsung could do all of that and arguably more
Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
needed an iPhone for work cause she takes a lot of pics
She takes a lot of pictures…so she needed a worse camera?
ulterno@programming.dev 2 days ago
Her problem was that her fans would then see a Samsung phone in the social pics, instead of the seasonal variety ornament that is the iPhone.
ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Not sure if it’s changed by now but a lot of the social apps for Android would just take a screen grab when taking a picture, so when uploading from Android the pics looked much worse than iPhone.
kamen@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Apple vs Samsung aside, she wasn’t concerned with using her own phone for work?
TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I dunno man, I’ve made it a point of pride to be rough with my Macbook over the years. They hold up well to repeated beatings and last a long time. I’d rate my 2017 Macbook Pro as hardier than the Thinkpad X1 Carbon I had as a company computer for my last job. And the MacBook might have been cheaper new too.
bigb@lemmy.world 2 days ago
My MacBook survived after I left it on top of my car as I drove off. It was flung off into a pedestrian area at the first intersection and has a nice dent on the corner.
Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
It’s so funny to see how macbooks are either super durable, or die from the smallest dust particles. My dad’s macbook fell down 3 flights of stairs, and embedded itself into the wood floor boards at the bottom floor. There’s not even a scratch on it even though if fell from pretty high up.
And my mother’s macbook dies every year because dust ends up in between the display cable which then punctures it when the lid is closed
bigb@lemmy.world 2 days ago
That’s Apple engineering for you: 60 percent of the time it works every time. I grew up with Apple products and the company’s history is lined with head-scratching design choices. It’s been like that since the Lisa.
I like repairable, self-built desktop PCs myself. But for work, the MacBook has been a tank.
qqq@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Lol I drove at least a mile with my Thinkpad on top of the car. Some dude next to me at a stop light honking and miming saved me. Got up to 40mph with it still on top though!
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I gave my old macbook air to my kid for Minecraft and he dropped it several times, still just fine with no problems. Also my 10 year old macbook pro still works perfectly fine with a quad core i7 and 16GB RAM for anything I need a laptop to do. Still has the original battery with decent runtime too.
spiritsong@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Macbooks are okay. It’s the price that makes it very difficult to swallow.
For light tasks, and non power users I can see why a Macbook is the next best thing after sliced bread. However to a power user with a lot of stuffs installed the Macbook can be frustrating if not on a better spec machine.
But also, sometimes mac users can be… Off putting to say it nicely.
madjo@feddit.nl 1 day ago
My work gave me an HP piece of crap laptop, I’d rather have a MacBook.
udon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ah yes, great post in the year 2010 when thinkpads weren’t complete crap, yet.
Psythik@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Using a generator to power a computer is a really bad idea. You’ll significantly shorten the lifespan of the power supply. Ask me how I know.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 days ago
Idk how scratch-prone the post-touchbar models are, but I’ve had a series of MBPs that I’ve been profoundly uncareful with and never had a problem.
Used a 2009 model until 2016, no scratches. 2016 model that I use to this very day, no scratches. 2017 I used for work until 2019, I ran it across an exposed screw-tip on a broken desk and it left a line you could see if you held it just right to reflect a light, but I can’t imagine anything shrugging that off. 2019 model I used for work until a month ago, no scratches.
Meanwhile, the other devices that have coexisted in the same backpack have not done as well. Dented USB hub, dented dock, broken screen on an Android device, shattered screen protector on another device.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Nobody cares about thinkpads getting scratched up because the shell shows fingerprints like a motherfucker.
I love my Thinkpads though…namely because I use Linux at home and I’m cheap about laptops…used T-series is probably the best cheap Linux laptop, in general.
sol6_vi@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I get the hate that goes Lenovo’s way but I’ve had a 2022 P1 Gen5 since launch and I’ve absolutely kicked the living shit out of it and it keeps keeping on. Don’t regret it.
jaschen@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I have a thinkpad in the late 90s and it still boots up till this day. I added more memory and added an SSD and a fresh set of batteries. This shit just won’t die.
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
sterileness is the aesthetic of rulers
Jhuskindle@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Indestructible little fucker
thisfro@slrpnk.net 2 days ago
Who cares about scratches on the outside?
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 days ago
11/10, that’s so hot! I can fry eggs on it!
brendansimms@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I played GTAV on T-430s
pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 2 days ago
Mum?
CannedYeet@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I hope they used the official Apple cleaning cloth that’s certified compatible with that model of MacBook
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Apple Cleaning Cloth Pro, coming this October
Valmond@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Normal: too small size to be useful, have apple logo
Pro: super expensive, includes 6 gallons of cleaning fluids, is enormous, logo in gold
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
You mean the iRag?
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Is that little red thing a dead body?
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Oh you crafty SOB.
MrShankles@reddthat.com 1 day ago
Bravo… sneaky bastard
TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
299.99$ and can connect with the cloud
Sabata11792@ani.social 2 days ago
*will not work without an active internet connection.
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
No they actually cut that feature in the latest model, which retails for $499.99
idefix@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Does it have AI capabilities?
sjmarf@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
The cleaning cloth pictured is the one that comes with the particular brand of screen cleaner that Apple recommends using.