Submitted 5 weeks ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to workreform@lemmy.world
I’m gen x. I’m always anxious about being on time because of how I was raised (thanks Mom). My partner is older than me and she’s ok with being late. This isn’t an age thing. It’s a personality thing.
They’re trying to divide us by sowing division amongst generations. The most wealthy are the enemy. They own everything and we must join together to take it back.
As a millennial I’m on team, “Work starts at 9, show up at 9”… but if you’re a little late here and there, whatever. So long as the work gets done.
I would be this way but I started my career in Boston and the T and the busses and the tunnels there make anything close to this impossible. If you actually wanted to be on time you’d be showing up 20 minutes early just as often as 15 minutes late. To truly always be on time would mean planning to get there an hour early every day.
Companies downtown here know just not to put meetings between 9 and 10 because it’s just impossible that every single member of a team will make it to work without issues even once a week. I’d guess even hourly jobs give more flexibility than you’d expect from a standard employer here because it’s just such a clusterfuck to transit in Boston
The further into the burbs you get, the more hardcore companies are about enforcing a 9-5.
I’m paid to solve problems, not warm a chair and let my manager look over my shoulder constantly.
I show up 30 minutes early because everyone at my job is incompetent so I have to see how things are going so I can plan my day. Im mid 20’s
Hang on Gen X once the boomer population dies out you’re next in the ongoing war to keep generations hating each other. You may get lucky and the future articles will skip over you and go directly to the “uptight, low tolerance Millennials”
These articles are such overgeneralized bullshit just to get people mad at each other. I bet there are older workers that are always late to work and I bet there are young workers that are on time and do amazing work.
I’m looking forward to it. GenX here, fuck all of you and fuck all of this. I just want to spend time with my family and friends.
I don’t think anyone outside of GenX understands how fucked GenX is. We are jaded AF You’re free to come for us but fuck around and find out.
Lol as if fuck around and find out is exclusive to one generation.
Millennials aren’t doing hot either. As best as I can tell Gen Z has the best chance because they’ve adjusted to the new economic reality.
Nah man, we don’t want to fuck with you except as friends. After the boomers, we all cool.
I bet there are older workers that are always late to work
I’ve employed several, and in my experience they’re usually the ones who spend most of their time at the bottom of a bottle.
Low tolerance millennials?
If anything millennials are just becoming more and more radicalized against the elites and the unhealthy work “ethics” they had to endure.
Good on the next generations if they dare standing up for themselves.
Some of us. A lot of us are just like the stereotype of our boomer parents.
Gen X exists in name only. It went from boomers to millenials and nobody blinked.
10 minutes is on time. Unless you work with shifts, where other people need to wait for you.
Yeah, 10 minutes where I work can snowball if just the right ingredients are in play. But at least the pay isn’t total shit. Just a bit shit. ($25/hour should be the national minimum, dammit!)
Ten minutes late to a meeting? Go somewhere else and make someone else’s life harder. Ten minutes late to holding a chair down? I don’t care if you’re on the moon, just get your shit done.
Just common sense should be enough.
If your job doesn’t require you to be there on the dot, who care?
If you keep being late for meetings and you’re wasting your colleagues time, get your ass out of bed earlier.
It’s not hard. But it’s super annoying to be waiting for people who just don’t care to be on time.
You know what super fucking annoying? Meeting at 9am. WTF?
People get stuck in traffic, or public transport failed, or little Johny forgot his school bag so the parent had to turn around when dropping them at school.
Number of times I’ve been in meeting at 9am that don’t end up happening is absurd. Plus the majority of attendees have most of the day clear in their schedule. So why book the meeting for 9 goddamn am in the morning?
I would love. 9am meeting over a 7am meeting. JFC, let my cold personality a chance to thaw. IDC about time zones.
So the rest of the day can be used for work. If you start at 930 everyone on time fucks off for half an hour
I think 10am is reasonable for first meetings.
I would also say no meetings to close to the end of lunch or ending at 5pm.
It’s also super annoying to be hounded about being on time when it makes no fucking difference.
Yep. The number of pointless meetings is far too many.
Some people like scheduling meetings just for the sake of a meeting, while others keep meetings booked only to say once the meeting starts they there is nothing to be discussed. Then cancel it before everyone wastes time attending! I’ve got 12 tasks to do that makes Hercules tasks look like kindergarten events, and pointless meetings really don’t help anyone.
/end rant
I actually think I’m with the boomers on this one. You should strive to be on time. No need to make a federal case out of occasionally being a little late, but it’s wrong to be constantly late.
If I need to be 100% on time, then I’m 100% leaving on time.
Every job I’ve had I’m one of if not the first to stay late. Need me to work a double even if it’s not my job next? Not a problem boss. But be cool with me being 5-10 minutes late. I’ll try to be there on time, but shit happens.
But if your gunna come at me for being a little late, I’ll be damned if I’m gunna stay late to help you. Pick your battles
I wasn’t arguing any different. By all means leave on time.
But this is part of why it is disrespectful. Look at nurses. If you are late, patients in a hospital can’t just go without care. So that means the prior shift is asked to stay later. That’s just one example.
Exactly. If you’re paying me from 8:00-5:00 I am starting at exactly 8:00. If my computer takes 5 minutes to boot, connect, etc., that starts happening at 8:00. If you want me online and responsive at 8:00, then you have to pay me for the boot time before 8:00. No pay, no work.
Worked retail and the end of shift crew always had to wait to leave at the same time with some bag check BS. Pile of shit thieving corporate and management would adjust the time to cut out payment of the last 5 or so minutes. The company is now defunct (taken out by vulture venture style capitalist owner entity after it was sold), otherwise it would have been nice to call the department of whatever deals with wage theft on them now that I know better. A.k.a.: if your company does time adjustments silently, consider this your signal and call the inspectors on them.
It really depends on what you do. If you’re in a factory and the entire line is held up or someone is staying extra time from a previous shift then it’s a big deal. If you’re late to the daily IT stand up meeting you can get the notes from Brad.
Some jobs are more critical than others, sure, but it’s still disrespectful to make people constantly have to cover for you. Why does Brad constantly have to give you notes? What if both Brad and you are late?
It really depends what you do. If you’re just strolling in to your desk and writing code, wgaf. But fuck anyone that schedules meetings for 8am.
We always scheduled meetings 30 minutes after latest start time which was 9.
As long as you made it to the meeting and did your full hours, no one cared.
Im always 1 to 2 hours late, sometimes I dont even show up and have a body double go in for me, and I keep getting raises. Don’t worry I give the double a raise too
Why?
Because it often fucks over others who are either overworking themselves pulling your load or can’t take their own break or lunch because you are late
Because others have to pick up your slack. Because others have to waste their time waiting around for you. Because it’s unfair to other staff that wind up working longer than you.
Depends on the job
Used to be a phone salesman. Got there at least 15 minutes late every day. It got so bad that one time I got there 15 minutes early and when my boss saw me arrive he shouted “Steve?! What time is it?!”. Nobody cared because I outsold everyone else for so much that I was making almost twice as much as anyone else, until the boss of my boss’ boss decided to start micromanaging the branch basically told me I would be fired unless I was on time. Boomers have weird priorities.
Their weird priorities is because they were raised with the dumbass idea that showing up early somehow increased production and is rewarding. Hell I showed up 15 minutes early everyday and the boomer was still pissed because he didn’t want to pay the overtime. Can’t even make up their minds!
Meh. It’s all about power. Same reason tucking in your shirt and being clean shaven is a big thing for some boomer execs, it’s just some bullshit they can’t use to force people to conform
yeah we have this whole thing about being logged on by 8.30 to start stand up at 8.37, so everyone logs on between 8 and 8.30 and then has breakfast or doomscrolls until the stand up starts. Which nobody listens to, because it’s poorly run, and then immediately after goes an makes another cup of coffee, bathroom run, and probably starts actual work around 9.30.
This really depends on what you’re doing.
If you’re in IT nobody should care. If you’re doing an artillery barrage then being late could mean a lot of your people die.
Highly dependent on what you do for work. But if Bob the Bookstore Manager wants me to treat a cashier job with the same respect as a military mission then he better be willing to issue me a rifle and a 400,000 dollar life insurance policy
Maybe if the fucking workplace wasn’t so fucking far from home, or if public transportation was decent, people would be much less likely to arrive late at work.
The other thing is, as soon as you realize that your job could be remote, which is true for a lot of office stuff, being “on time” matters fuck all.
Force employers to pay hourly wages for at home prep and commuting and they will suddenly start caring about hiring people in their area
I’ve always thought not compensating for commutes was ridiculous. Ive demanded 15k raises for jobs because they wanted me to drive.
All of the neighborhoods within walking or cycling distance of my workplace are literal crack dens where I’d be mugged and/or robbed within a week.
Downvote if you will but it is just rude to show up late regardless of your performance or the situation. Period.
Really depends on the job.
If you complete all assigned tasks on time and don’t inhibit anyone else’s schedule, then who gives a shit?
If it’s shift work and someone is waiting for you to arrive so they can start their work, or worse, end their shift and go home, then yeah it’s a huge dick move.
I mean yes in practise and if you put it that way of course.
I’m just saying that as a general rule you should be on time.
Nah. Don’t be so uptight. The 4 emails that I received during off hours will still be there if the insane amount of construction they keep starting but not finishing in my city causes me to be 10 mins late that morning.
Bosses deserve our rudeness.
Nah, ten minutes don’t matter.
I agree. We will be the first to call out employers who want you to arrive early to load up systems to be ready to take calls at start time. I see this as the same.
I want to get paid for the time I give, nothing more and nothing less.
I want to be paid for getting the job done, not for being a body in a seat for a specific number of hours regardless of how much work there is to do.
That’s unambitious. I want to be paid for the value my work creates. Time is a finite resource. Trading it for (in all likelihood not enough) money so other people can get rich is a sucker move.
It depends on the job. For most office jobs, I don’t think it matters that much if you show up a bit late to go to the bank or if you’re stuck in traffic, especially now that holding online meetings are easy.
But for a job where being late means holding up the work of hundreds of people, say, being an actor on set, then showing up ahead of time is very important.
Why did you have to bring Vin Diesel into this?
I mean, just because you’re on TV and get paid a lot of money doesn’t mean the rules don’t apply to you.
When I got my first office job (after working retail and the like), I was uncomfortable when people would have a conversation and not be productive. It was burned into me that one should work at all times while “on the clock.” I learned the phrase, “time to lean is time to clean,” when working at a restaurant.
We really walk on people who work in service jobs. It’s not right.
Baby Boomers, if were going to generalize, often feel the boss has ass-grabbing privileges with the attractive employees, so their opinion may not amount for much in the 21st century.
Except among the ruling class, of course, where we leave demented and senile representatives in power until it is wrested from their cold dead hands.
until it is wrested from their cold dead hands.
Does the wresting happen often or do most folks just wait for Father Time to do all the work? :( lol
Let me tell you the story of a man named Luigi…
Are we really trying to make this of all things a generational thing? Why?
It depends on the job, if you have to say open a store then 10 min late is a problem. You have to say make a thing, then 10 mins is not an issue as long as the thing is done.
I have seen people with no respect for other peoples time (so they where late often) and they where not of a single generation but more commonly of a class (the people with means tend to think they can be late).
It depends on the job,
I am surprised how much this point is lost on the other commenters
Its wild that people can think a whole ass batch of people (a generation) thinks being 10 min late to anything is not a bad thing. Like if you show up to meet someone and they are 10 min late, its not the end of the world but if it happens every time you are going to judge that person.
I don’t think jobs should be tied to timecards (I hate time keeping systems, I had to fix some) but to job requirements.
Some examples: Office work normally does not matter until it does. I once worked in a banks head office and had to at or shortly before 7:30am tell all the ABMs to change to the next business day (this would cause them to go offline briefly) and pull the reports for that day. If I was 10 min late the reports would not be there on time for 8am where they are needed for another task a co worker is expected to do before the bank opens (at 8am in some places).
Any retail store that has some respect for their employees and customers needs people to not be late, showing up 10 min late might just mean rushing to open or relieve some co-worker but that also is likely increasing the risk of accidents. I don’t think its fair that someone gets to work an extra 10 mins or wait to buy whatever for 10 mins just because some one thinks “eh, 10 mins is close enough”
Task based jobs on the other hand (say programming, maintenance, sales, repair centres, etc.) should not really matter as much. When you start is less important then if you meet a deadline when finished. I used to work a job that wanted me to “start” every day at 7:42 AM (we used time units of 1/10th an hour) but would get real pissy when I did not leave my house until 8:30 or so since the stuff I was working on was in places that did not open until 9 or 10 am. They told me I should go to an arbitrary location (a warehouse or McDonalds where the examples they gave) by 7:42am to log in “in order to show I was ready for work”. That was stupid and irrational, so I did not do it. But I would also not show up 10 min late if I could help it for any appointment (work or otherwise) since I value my time and the peoples time I am interacting with.
I’m Gen X and the last job I had that required me to work a specific shift was in the kitchen of a pizza place in 1988.
In my first job after college, I asked the business administrator what hours I was expected to work, and she was noticeably confused by the question. She told me most folks show up around 9.l, but made it clear that it was up to me.
In my next job, I asked how to request PTO, and my boss told me he doesn’t care about the record keeping. He said just let him know when I won’t be there, and as long as everything keeps working he doesn’t care if I’m ever there.
Even in my current position when they introduced time clocks and we had to clock in before our start time, we were allowed to specify our start time. I chose 10:00am. I normally get in around 7am, so I figured if I’m not going to be in by 10, I’ll just take the day off.
Fuck what baby boomers think. Bunch of greedy and selfish cunts.
What is actually needed is the flexibility to do it.
It really doesn’t matter for the task if I’m physically present between 8:15-16:15 instead of 8:00-16:00.
If I have to be at my desk at 8 sharp, I will hit the rush hour both ways, having to leave my home at least 20 minutes earlier and waste that time in congestion for no good reason. I’ll be home about the same time, because the only difference is how long I get to stare at the steering wheel.
I don’t care if the one option that saves me 1-2 hours of unpaid time every week is considered “tardy” by boomers. In my gen-x point of view, a lot of their lifestyle is wasteful for no other reason than selfmade “traditions”.
A lot of these differences are regional and industry specific. I worked on the east coast in more traditional industries and 9am on the dot was expected. Moved west and switched to tech and I was the only one in the office at 9am. I had coworkers showing up at 11 and noon. Despite the late arrival, people would still leave at 3 and 4pm. Were they working any less hard? No, in tech people are online til midnight and 2 am regularly. Tech attracts a lot of folks with night owl chromosomes. Their brains are literally not functioning optimally until 7pm rolls around. Boomer work ethic doesn’t have a lot of understanding of this fact.
Depends on the work and if people depend on you being on time. Applying one rule doesn’t really make sense, but neither does RTO or a lot of work culture.
If you need to be there at a specific time, be professional and be there. If other workers are depending on you to be there, be there. Being tardy just ‘cause, is pretty pathetic. In an ideal world, none of us would have to work. But we do, so show up.
I am fresh off a rather interesting conversation with my boomer boss. I’m a new manager and I’m working on policy and process. I was basically shut down, told to not bother documenting, that we have a way of doing things and he would spend every day with me for weeks to get it right if he had to.
I asked again, wouldn’t it be easier and more efficient to have these processes documented and accepted that force muscle memory? I even offered to document the process during our training sessions but was told that were a small company and no one will look at documentation if we create it (we’re a 2000 employee manufacturing company).
Oh well, I know how to work around obstinance.
“i don’t appreciate you being tardy”
“Say what? What did you just call me?”
I manage Gen Z, Millenials, Gen X, and Boomers. Yes, all of the above. My experience is that the Gen Z types strive for quality of work and will give you their best once they understand the mission and accept it. The Gen X and Boomers very often get stuck int he performative parts of work: dress, dates and times, etc, and focus less on the quality of work. Millenials are a bit of a mix.
Sounds like the Peter principle at work, ensuring that Parkinson’s law will be exemplified.
If your employees are living their lives to the clock, they’re counting down the seconds rather than ticking off their tasks.
The boomers are dying out. It’s a self solving problem.
Late due to traffic? Who cares? Wanna leave early on a Friday and have overtime? Be my guest!
Flexi time, baby!
If I’m always expected to work half an hour late, showing up to work ten minutes late is early as long as no one is waiting on me.
I’m with the boomers on this one. You don’t have to start going 100% as soon as work starts, but at least be there. I guess it’s just a thing I feel personally is a good thing, when people are punctual. In a work setting I think it depends on the job. In relaxed office I suppose it’s whatever, unless you have meetings and shit, but don’t keep people waiting on you. It’s more about politeness and respecting people’s time for me, than us’ hyper capitalistic, ruthless industrial complex, void of decent labor laws with out of touch, powerhungry clueless boomer-bosses (adjectives!) who think being late is a curse upon their House.
Is the work getting done? If so, what does ten minutes matter? Is it about productivity, or just about ensuring that work is sufficiently unpleasant to keep the peasants in their place?
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
The talking heads fit the ruling class really live pumping it articles to drive division between us…
haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 5 weeks ago
Thanks for pointing that out. Its like we have multiple levels of control mechanisms ensuring our eternal enslavement.
YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
“it’s like”? Yes suspiciously like that. Almost exactly. Hmm.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
midwest.social/post/20764117
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
I mean, this is from Fortune magazine. It’s owned by a billionaire. So it’s hardly surprising.